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Wikid_intent
Posted on Friday, December 12, 2008 - 06:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My 2000 x1 has race ecm,headers,econo forcewinder. I am running a catch can. Why cant i route pcv into intake like Eric had it set up at factory? after all i am using his set up ,just sans the whole airbox.
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Numb_nutz
Posted on Friday, December 12, 2008 - 07:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I run mine into the air filter. My force winder had a extra hole in the air filter. I never have any oil leaking from the filter housing.
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Buellistic
Posted on Friday, December 12, 2008 - 07:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Why would anyone want to run the head breathers into the intake track and pollute the intake charge ???
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Aesquire
Posted on Friday, December 12, 2008 - 07:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

There are a couple of reasons not to... but you can if you like.

One reason is that without the spooge ( technical term I heard somewhere for the oil/water vapor mix ) the engine runs cleaner... how much? I dunno.

If you get a lot of blowby, you can get oily spooge dripping down... it's messy.

The other reason to us a catch can is that the cleaner air seems to be worth a whole 1 hp. By dyno testing. It's not much, but what the heck.
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Bluesboy
Posted on Friday, December 12, 2008 - 07:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That`s another reason my S2 kicks your A** Kevin!
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Pkforbes87
Posted on Friday, December 12, 2008 - 10:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Stick a fuel filter in line with your breather hose between the heads and the air filter. those small plastic fuel filters are dirt cheap, and really easy to swap out as needed when they get filled up with spooge.

I get some nasty looking stuff from the fuel filters but the intake is always clean.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/11-NEW-PLASTIC-FUEL -FILTERS-PLEATED-CLEAR-3-8-PUSH-ON_W0QQitemZ280239 388948QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Ac cessories?_trksid=p4506.m20.l1116
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Ratbuell
Posted on Friday, December 12, 2008 - 10:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

a whole 1 hp

Wow.

I still fail to see why this is such a hot topic for some folks. I let all my vehicles - bikes (the only exception is my S1W, I bought it with a breather filter set up seperately from the intake and I haven't bothered to re-route it to stock yet), cars, bracket cars, turbo cars, trucks - 'eat' the crankcase ventilation vapor. They *are* designed to do that, you know. Never had a problem based on letting things work as designed. No puke (other than on my FLHP, with high compression, hot cam, and open element filter), no puddles - all fine.

As for "polluting" the intake charge - I own an M35A2 deuce and a half truck, with a multifuel engine. Granted, totally different animal...bear with me. The manual for the vehicle, from the US Army, states that when running unleaded, kerosene, or any other "dry" fuel (i.e. no lubricants like diesel has), to add at least 1 gallon of used motor oil to the fuel tank (50 gal) at fillup, to lubricate the fuel system and the combustion side of the motor.

Hmm.

Oh, and if you can feel or otherwise notice 1hp anywhere other than on a dyno printout...you need a job at NASA, if you're that well calibrated.

With the econo setup, drill a hole and RTV in a hose nipple to hook the breather hose to. You'll be fine, and it might cost you $1.25 for the nipple plus $3 or $4 for a tube of RTV if you don't already have one : )
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Preybird1
Posted on Friday, December 12, 2008 - 11:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have the round billet race intake and it re-breathes the vapors as well and i also have no puking issues. I was going to do the big swap but i thought it may be better the way it was already, I looked inside the intake trap door and it was a little oily but nothing major! Im really just not sure on this one. Maybe it has to do with all the carbon build up on the piston, I noticed when i had my front head apart the piston head had a lot of carbon. It was a considerable amount. I had to scrape it off, It was like just under a 1/4" thick.....HHmmm i wonder if that's what its from or it was running real rich!
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Malott442
Posted on Saturday, December 13, 2008 - 12:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

FFT, my Buell, while in Florida, used to get wicked hot. That will spit some oil out of the breathers in the form of mist that builds up. It would drip from my forcewinder and stain my jet coated header.

Catch cans are SO easy to install, why not do it the right way? Sure, you can do it the easy way and route to intake, but seeing as you are a Buell owner, the first step in not doing it the easy way was buying an American sportbike......

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but I say do it the right way and catch can it out. Less than 40 bucks, no mess, no charge contamination risk, and the satisfaction of knowing it is done the best way.......
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Capital_g
Posted on Saturday, December 13, 2008 - 09:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I just went to a Forcewinder and had the same questions Wikid_intent. My bike doesn't seem to have any goo coming from the vents but I did't want to route into the breather and "dirty" up the filter. The only disadvantage I can see to running a drip tube is clutter... I really didn't want a hose a zip ties running around the bike.
I have a large capacity oil filter and use Amsoil synthetic, I think that might be why I don't have goo coming from the heads.

(Message edited by capital_g on December 13, 2008)
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Guell
Posted on Saturday, December 13, 2008 - 09:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mine pukes it strait to the ground, no catch can and its not vented back into the intake.
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Wikid_intent
Posted on Saturday, December 13, 2008 - 11:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

thanks guys i think i will continue with my catch can its prolly best.
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Phelan
Posted on Saturday, December 13, 2008 - 08:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I ziptied an aluminum mountain dew bottle to the frame below the carb and routed my breather lines 2-1 and into the bottle, then stuck a K&N breather filter on top. Total cost was <$2.
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