| Author | Message | ||
     Slowride |
As mentioned previously, I scored a new ride (S3T) out of Florida over the Thanksgiving holiday. I just got a chance to look over the bike today and this gave me a few questions to seek answers too, but more importantly it has sparked the creative synapses. I plan on using this thread to document my tear down and rebuild of the bike. I look forward to all of the knowledge and wisdom that will be infused into it from all the Buellers that belong to this forum. I will start off with the basics of the bike and document the progress…. 1998 Buell S3T, bored .30 over, stock heads polished and flowed with bigger valves and billet motor mount. The bike apparently snapped off the front motor mount bolts prompting the first rebuild. The previous owner added a billet motor mount and the bolts were sheared again prompting the second tear down and resulting sale on Badweb. I purchased the bike in the condition you see it here minus the top end.  I started pulling all the parts out of the box and examining the heads. I can’t see any damage to the head, but it does look like it was cross thread. The previous owner had the bike taken to Cyclerama in St. Pete, fL and they had the motor torn down and extracted the bolts. They told the seller that the front head needed to be welded. I have examined both mount slots and I don’t see any stress cracks. I see copious amounts of cross threading, but no stress cracks. Does anyone see anything I don’t?    During further tear down, I found that it also had a Screaming Eagle ECM. I haven’t seen one of these on a tuber before. Anyone have any history with these units? Is it worth using or should I go for a Buell Race ECM?  Here are a few more pictures of the bike in its current state…     (Message edited by slowride on December 06, 2008) | ||
| Buellistic |
Look on the module and find the part number, post same ... | ||
| Phelan |
Nice Goldwing in the background. What accessories did it come with? 32" Plasma TV? Jacuzi? | ||
| Buellfighter |
Slowride, seeing that a head stud was welded on, make sure that the two surfaces (that the motor mount bolt to) are perfectly in plane with one another. That bolt hole on the right is suspect. | ||
| Slowride |
Phelan, Nice jab... Stock trim equals : Premium Audio, NOA radio, Intercomm, 2 trip computers, Digital Therm, Switch Adjustable rear preload,only upgrade was the CB. I traded the uly in my profile pic in on the 08' (ST1800). Buellfighter, You lost me, the motor mount bolts were never welded. I have both of the old, sheared off bolts. Cyclrama in FL extracted them for the previous seller. Could I retap the slots or do you think it needs to be helicoiled? Buellistic, As requested...  | ||
| Brinnutz |
Dam. 8000 RPM? Hey, I may have a Race ECM that will fit your bike. If I do, I'll let you know when I return home. I'm not sure wtf it's for. I'll post P/N when I get back home this week. | ||
| Slowride |
Brinnutz, Thanks, I will take you up on that. Just shoot me a PM. | ||
| Buellistic |
Slowride: PN 32420-94,the 94 means the year 1994 ... The REV. Limiter is set for 8000 RPM ... No need to shift after 6800 RPM unless the engine is still making HP ... BUELL Lighting Module PN 32418-96Y ... BUELL Pro Series Module PN 32680-96Y which is the same as H-D PN 32633-96 ... H-D PN 32654-98(8 pin) by dip switch can be single fire or dual fire of which the single fire option is best ... Has dip switches for IGN. Curves(set on DYNO) and REV. Limiters ... Has an "LED" for static timing ... To get the MAX. out of any IGN. Module the engine "TIMING" must be set correctly ... "i" set my timing with the TIMING MARK just coming into the rear of the timing plug hole ... | ||
| Phelan |
LOL, I'm just joshin' ya bro; I hear they are great bikes. They look pretty slick, too. | ||
| Oldog |
Slow, the pad for bolting up the motor mount has a sizable notch in it, that notch can act as a stress riser and cause a failure, also if the threads are damaged by cross threading then welding & rethreading may be a good idea, I would not employ a helicoil in that service. as noted before a compitent shop Like Cyclerama, should handle that repair as the planes that the pads are faced on must match the engine mount. I would not be shocked that they have a fixture to do that with. | ||
| Slowride |
Buellfighter/Oldog, Good read on the heads. I had a chance to sleep on it last night and I think I have decided to just go with a 1250 kit and see if I can find some Thunderstorm heads on ebay or the boards. Since these were the stock heads and supposedly they had been polished and flowed with bigger valves put in, I can't just replace a head. If my memory serves me, the previous owner said Cyclerama wanted to weld and fix the head, bore the jugs out to .40 and rebuild the top end for around $1200 - $1800 depending on the parts used. For that money, I would be more incline to just get the aforementioned kit and find a set of good used heads. (Message edited by slowride on December 07, 2008) | ||
| Oldog |
From what I have seen of my intake tracts I believe that they are better flowing by design but are not "ported" per se, IF they are just Tstorm heads consider Xb heads or welding machining, used heads are "USED" and you dont know what you are getting. My 02, also if the heads are polished and flowed as you indicate than they are likely superior to stock Tstrm / Xb I would weld them and have them re machined by Cyclorama | ||
| Slowride |
Oldog, Thanks for the advice, but I am back in Texas now and the cost of shipping would be yet another expense to add to the Head "Fix" cost. I am still out on whether to weld and rework the stock heads or just grab a set of XB heads and rockers, so I can use the breather setup of the newer heads. I talked tot he wife about it over lunch today and her statement was... "do it right and don't second guess it". I knew I married her beauty.... | ||
| Lemonchili_x1 |
"do it right and don't second guess it" Sounds like a smart woman! Follow her advice! Whichever way you go it looks like you got a nice bike  . Silver looks very classy | ||
| Chasespeed |
MY thoughts... IF you can score a set of XB heads, DO IT. Those, a 1250 kit for a XB, and maybe some cams... lots of smiles... BUT, having a competent machine shop fill those botched holes with weld, then drilling and tapping is also a viable option.... Chase | ||
| Slowride |
Ok, I'll bite... What do you think it would cost to Weld and retap? I will be blatantly truthful here, I purchased this S3 to make a street fighter out of her. The bad@ss tube frame/xb that was on the quick board made me want to slap my momma! I have been moving the contents of the garage around to accommodate the build and I took a long hard look at the body work of the S3T today, pondering if I should take it back to a slightly built/custom S3T and it just didn't speak to me, so away we go.... "Street Fighter Build" Back to the question... what would it cost, because at this point I am starting to lean towards what the wife said and just completely tear down the motor and rebuild it just like am with the bike. All ears! (Message edited by slowride on December 07, 2008) | ||
| Chasespeed |
Well, NOW you are speaking my language... tear it down. XB heads, IF you want to bore the cases, go with.... an 88 incher, and some healthy cams, 536s, or 575s.. Carb of choice(Mikuni), something ROWDY for the exhaust(Force), and go from there.. superbike bars, or dirtbike bars,re-work the tail us a tail section from something different.... Go nuts... street fighters, and bobbers are the only way to roll.... Chase | ||
| Guell |
Go nuts... street fighters, and bobbers are the only way to roll.... spoken as the truth there. | ||
| Slowride |
You nailed it.... I have a tail section in mind, I also just picked out two front headlight options with fairings. I would like to put an xb fork and wheel setup on the front, but I am also leaning towards a sport bike setup (gsxr). anyone know the fork tube dims... will I need to get a new triple tree or can I use my old one from the S3 for the xb forks? | ||
| Guell |
http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/21/ 408509.html?1228448993 there ya go | ||
| Oldog |
Slow you are likely looking at about 250$ or more to weld machine retap, If done correctly less than a new head and just as good. Assume: 50$ for fab shop, about 3/4 - 1 hour to prep and weld the heads machine shop ~75 ~100 per hour Nearly All of the time will be set up they have to figure out how to hold it and it not move or get messed up, line up on it and mill the pad faces at the correct angle and position. Then locate the holes to drill and tap them the time to mill the faces drill and tap the holes 20 minutes If they have never messed with this they may take a while to figure it out, Assuming that they have the tools to do it I bet cyclerama does. , check freight and call Pammy they will know how / where to machine and have likely done it before If the head is as cast and has no special work done to it Go XB Sorry if I seem to be beating a dead horse, I am curious what kind of power band / out put do you want to get out of this thing ? I presume that its a saturday brawler / Hot rod. (Message edited by oldog on December 07, 2008) | ||
| Slowride |
Oldog, Yep, you hit on the head too! I have had 4 Buell's (M2, X1 x2, Uly) and I am ready to set one up a little nasty. I took care of my touring requirement with the LeadSled (ST1800) and I have hot rod for my daily driver (06 Dodge Charger Daytona 350/390). My goal is to go back to Suches,GA with my little "Trailer Trash" and see what an updated version of a Tuber can do. I had so much fun leading rides and shooting pictures of all the knee draggin, I have decided to let someone else take some pictures of my "Trailer Trash" while I am beating her good. Yeah, decided on the name today. We will see if it still fits after I am done with her. So to be long winded, I am planning on making a street runner, corner carver, signature tube frame that I would be proud to own. I am looking for usable power to stretch her legs, but not cook the powder coat off the frame. I don't like straight lines much, so the tune on the bike will have to match my affinity for curves. Please check back often, I got this sickness and I can't quiet shake it. | ||
| Oldog |
I have the sickness just can't swing the cure =) | ||
| Krassh |
Sure you do not mean GL1800? To my knowledge no such thing as a ST1800. ST1300 yes but then it would look quite different. | ||
| Slowride |
Krassh, Unfortunately you have to call me on this one now don'tcha... Yes it is a technically a GL1800, but I will be damn if my 34 year old brain will spit out anything other than ST1800. When the bike starts up it even says ST1800 on the computer screen... after a few modifications  | ||
| Tommytubetone |
I'd be happy to contribute to your head welding if you'd be interested in selling the saddle bags. | ||
| Tommytubetone |
Oh, and I might be interested in the seat, too - you know, if you're interested in selling. | ||
| Slowride |
Guell, I sent you an email... Let me know if you are interested. Tommytubetone, I sent you a PM, get back with me. | ||
| Guell |
Slowride, email replied. | ||
| Brinnutz |
Dang, looks like that front end might be gone before I get the money to do the trade, lol. Get 'er done slowride (Message edited by brinnutz on December 08, 2008) |
