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Milesvdustin
Posted on Saturday, September 13, 2008 - 12:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well, the day has come to do my fluid change. I am going to just put syn3 in the primary. My question is, do I need to remove my v&h muffler to do this? If so, how do I get it off? Do you take the bolts off the bracket or take the bolts off the top of the muffler? Plus, how do I know that ive got the tension and all that set right on the system? I wrapped my header, and put it all back together and Have not had it break in about 1500 miles. Thanks for all the help, you really helped with the gas cap!
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Mbsween
Posted on Saturday, September 13, 2008 - 12:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Miles,
You'll need to drop the muffler, then you have access to the drain plug. In my case I pull the bolt that holds the muffler to the bracket, but I've got a White Bros E-series.

I've used a Wileyco which mounted to the stock Z bracket. I still found it easier to remove the muffler from the bracket instead of the bracket and muffler from the bike.

Matt
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Preybird1
Posted on Saturday, September 13, 2008 - 01:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Man you need a factory manual, If you dont know get a friend who does!
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Milesvdustin
Posted on Saturday, September 13, 2008 - 01:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yeah, I am used to working on helicopters, and I am a CDI so I don't use the books anymore. I just pray I get it all back together without any leftovers! I talked to harley, and they said I need another new shock on it, some shock eye recall? I'll try to take some pictures of my progress, as I FINALLY have the internet! Thanks!
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Buellistic
Posted on Saturday, September 13, 2008 - 01:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Going to a H-D Dealer is like going to a doctor, get a second opinion ...

Have a Dealer run your VIN Number to check if any and all recalls have been done ...

There was a recall on the rear shock so if you need a shock DO NOT LET A DEALER SELL YOU A SHOCK UNTIL YOU FIND OUT ...

The way you check the oil level in your transmission is to set your bike up right on level ground, remove the INSPECTION COVER,clutch and make sure the oil comes up to the bottom edge of the SPRING,diaphragm ...

You need to get a Factory Service Manual and Parts Book for you year and model ...

(Message edited by buellistic on September 13, 2008)
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Djkaplan
Posted on Saturday, September 13, 2008 - 02:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"If so, how do I get it off?"

You are in for an adventure, my friend. There are two bolts in the rear hanger that need to be removed. The bolts fasten to a dogbone retainer underneath the welded on bracket at the rear of the muffler.

Getting the serrated head fasteners back in is going to be a bitch... but once you get practice, it won't be so much of an ordeal.
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Buellistic
Posted on Saturday, September 13, 2008 - 03:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Wrap tin foil around the muffler so you do not get oil on it ...

There is room to get the transmission drain plug out,"BUT" getting it back in takes a little practice and time ...

"i" put a dent in the muffler where the drain plug drops down for more finger room ...
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Milesvdustin
Posted on Saturday, September 13, 2008 - 05:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So I can just drop the primary oil and not worry about the muffler? HD said the shock is a recall of some sort, so it will be free for me. I found a bolt on the garage floor, it looks like an isolator bolt for the rear, but as far as I can tell all the bolts and stuff are in place on the bike. I rode it before I saw this mystery bolt, and it rode great. I'll go take a picture of it.
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Milesvdustin
Posted on Saturday, September 13, 2008 - 06:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Here is a picture of the bolt, I am not sure it is even from this bike!



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Joesbuell
Posted on Saturday, September 13, 2008 - 07:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've had every nut and bolt off my Buell and none looked like that! Sure it's not off your car?
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Buellistic
Posted on Saturday, September 13, 2008 - 07:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

On my 1997 S3T that is a PN 3457Y(1997 S3 Parts Book)SCREW ...

1/2 inch allen(5/8"-18NF) ...

Later on it was changed to a TORX head bolt which made it hard to find a TORX tool that fit to remove it ...
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Milesvdustin
Posted on Saturday, September 13, 2008 - 09:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ok, so what the heck does it go to? Both my isolator bolts and everything are there. My brother has an xb and it was also parked there. The car is a volkswagen and it does not get special garage privilege!
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Bikerjim99
Posted on Saturday, September 13, 2008 - 10:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You can suction the oil out of the sump by removing the clutch cover. Use a turkey baster, large syringe, etc. You can remove virtually all of the oil this way, refill so the oil level is just touching the clutch plates while the bike is level, a bit less than a quart.

Good luck!
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Tdman77
Posted on Sunday, September 14, 2008 - 01:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have that same nut on my 99 X1. It is the rear shock mount bolt. There are two, one on the front and one on the back.
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Standingdeadwood
Posted on Sunday, September 14, 2008 - 09:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I use Biker Jim's method of a suction gun. I put the used primary oil back into a old quart oil bottle to make sure I've gotten enough oil out of the primary. If you check the level before you start sucking it out, you'll know if you should end up with a more or less than a full quart of old oil. It takes a quart to fill the primary. I change the primary fluid after an engine oil change so I have an empty oil bottle handy.
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Milesvdustin
Posted on Sunday, September 14, 2008 - 03:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

OK thanks everyone! I am headed out to do it right now.
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Milesvdustin
Posted on Sunday, September 14, 2008 - 06:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I did my change, the primary plug had a TON of metal on it, and the oil was kinda silvery. I put syn-3 in it, and I will change it again in 500 miles to see what happens. I took the muffler off, it was a lot easier than I had expected, once I realized I had to take the elbow off too, and the can wasn't coming off without it. I used Royal Purple 20-50 in the motor, it took an even two quarts with the harley filter.
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Kalali
Posted on Monday, September 15, 2008 - 11:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Did you use the Royal Purple 20-50 sold in automotive parts stores or you found a "special" motorcycle application? I use a lower weight in my cars and they seem to like it a lot.
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Milesvdustin
Posted on Monday, September 15, 2008 - 12:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I used the regular 20w-50 motor oil. My transmission shifts a million times better with the oil change, neutral is just a tap away when I want it!
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Milesvdustin
Posted on Tuesday, September 16, 2008 - 12:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

any other ideas for that bolt?
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Tuesday, September 16, 2008 - 06:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That bolt looks like one of the two that hold the rear shock on.
Of course, if you were missing one of those, the bike would be dragging!
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Milesvdustin
Posted on Tuesday, September 16, 2008 - 01:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well, I guess I am in the clear then!
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Preybird1
Posted on Tuesday, September 16, 2008 - 01:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I had a similar problem where upper from fender fell out and got stuck in between the swing arm and stopped all suspension movement, It was a little freaky when i hit the bumps and it didnt absorb the shock just about threw me off the bike!
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Mwellm
Posted on Tuesday, September 16, 2008 - 09:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Never had to take my exhaust off to change it...V&H....super easy.
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Milesvdustin
Posted on Wednesday, September 17, 2008 - 01:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It only took 5 minutes to remove the exhaust, no big deal. Plus, I was able to clean up the muffler alot better that way!
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Kalali
Posted on Wednesday, September 17, 2008 - 05:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The V&H does provide a little more space between the bolt and the exhaust but you must have rigged something in order to drain the oil without getting it all over the exhaust. A half funnel made out of alum foil would do the trick.
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Milesvdustin
Posted on Wednesday, September 17, 2008 - 07:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I am pretty sure that Buellistic was saying he put a strategically placed dent in his muffler to make more room to take the plug off.
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Buellistic
Posted on Wednesday, September 17, 2008 - 10:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

BUELLers:

Still running "PRODUCT IMPROVED" OEM muffler ...

Put a just large enough dent under drain plug to get drain plug back in ...
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Milesvdustin
Posted on Thursday, September 18, 2008 - 04:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

See, I told you! Thanks for the tip!
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