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Svmotoman
Posted on Thursday, September 11, 2008 - 01:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What does the P.M. stand for?
Why do they seem so desired?
What did they cost originally?
Can they be found new/used?
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Brinnutz
Posted on Thursday, September 11, 2008 - 01:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Performance Machine....or Machined. It's the manufacturer of the wheel I believe.

They are polished aluminum, not painted alloy.

I believe it was a $1500 upgrade from the factory.

Yes, there are a couple sets on eBay right now.

(Message edited by brinnutz on September 11, 2008)
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Maxbuell
Posted on Thursday, September 11, 2008 - 01:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I am not certain but I think the PM stands for polished metal. I think they are desired because they have a much shiner finish then the later model rims. Not sure of the cost but I do see them from time to time on Ebay and here on the classisfed board.
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Blks1l
Posted on Thursday, September 11, 2008 - 01:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

They are Performance Machine, who makes a wide variety of motorcycle wheels, and brake calipers, and components. Really nice quality stuff, the early Buells I beleive up to 98, had a PM front brake caliper.
Dean
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Svmotoman
Posted on Thursday, September 11, 2008 - 01:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

hmm... they sound soft/delicate.

Came in only one size?
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Brinnutz
Posted on Thursday, September 11, 2008 - 01:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Soft/delicate? Hmm...

I believe they did. 17" x 5.5"
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5liter
Posted on Thursday, September 11, 2008 - 02:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you love to polish, they're the wheel for you. I have them on my S3T.
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Jramsey
Posted on Thursday, September 11, 2008 - 03:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

17 x 5.5 Rear.
17 x 3.5 Front.
As a set they are about 7 lbs. lighter than the cast wheels.

Hydroformed/Spun wheels are soft and ding easily compared to a heat treated cast wheel.

You can tell when they were manufactured by the last four numbers(date code) after the size.
17 x 3.5 00 09 PM would be Sept. of 2000.
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Djkaplan
Posted on Thursday, September 11, 2008 - 03:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"17 x 5.5 Rear.
17 x 3.5 Front.
As a set they are about 7 lbs. lighter than the cast wheels."


Did you weigh them yourself?

I've heard the opposite... that they were heavier than the three spoke Buell tuber wheels. This might have more to do with the rear being 1/2" wider, but that's the info that's floated around for a few years... as well as their reputation for being easily dinged.
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Jramsey
Posted on Thursday, September 11, 2008 - 03:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

On a certified grain scale.
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Djkaplan
Posted on Thursday, September 11, 2008 - 03:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Were these the Marchesini three spokers or the last generation Buell three spokers?
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Jramsey
Posted on Thursday, September 11, 2008 - 03:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I was new to Buells then I didn't ask at the time.
They belonged to a customer and he was switching over to the PMs from the OEM cast.
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Oldog
Posted on Thursday, September 11, 2008 - 04:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

PM = Polish ME
PS I had disapointing results clear powder coating them don't do it.
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5liter
Posted on Thursday, September 11, 2008 - 04:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Oldog:
I like that PM = Polish ME
For sure!!
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Numb_nutz
Posted on Thursday, September 11, 2008 - 08:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I read some where on this site i believe, PM wheels are made by a company call precision machine.
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Ebutch
Posted on Thursday, September 11, 2008 - 08:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I vote Polish Me Wheels!http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r200/ebutch/P10 10158.jpg
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Easy_rider
Posted on Thursday, September 11, 2008 - 08:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

PM = Polish ME

That's funny!!!

As I recall, Performance Machine wheels were a $725 option, but they were $1500 to buy them separately. (For the life of me I can't think of where that flier ended up after several moves.)
I've always like the looked of polished metal, so they are worth the effort to me. It's a nice offset on a black bike. I'm also a fair weather rider so I don't have to clean up water spots that often (except for tonight). I ended up with a set recently that were left outside, and have become pitted. Even then, they look great with just a little time with a Mothers polish wheel.
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Al_lighton
Posted on Friday, September 12, 2008 - 09:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The PMs are definitely heavier than the cast wheels. I had the weights from several wheels written down somewhere, not here. But IIRC, the PM's were about a pound heavier per wheel than the castalloys, which were about 1/2 lb heavier than the similar Marchesinis.

PM=Performance Machine. The early ones were what they called "Chicane" style, I think. The later ones that had the swoopier spokes without the slot in the center were exclusively Buell, I think, as I never saw them in the PM catalogs. But the earlier ones were adopted by Buell but I don't think they were developed exclusively for Buell.
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Djkaplan
Posted on Friday, September 12, 2008 - 01:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey AL, thanks for the info.

Do you remember the approximate weight of the wheels? I've never actually held a Buell wheel without the tire being on it.
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Zenfrogmaster
Posted on Friday, September 12, 2008 - 02:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I found this long ago and kept it for just such an occasion:

Castalloy
Front: 10 pounds 15.0 ounces; 3.5 inch width
Rear: 15 pounds 10.5 ounces; 5.0 inch width

Marchesini
Front: 10 pounds 8.0 ounces; 3.5 inch width
Rear: 14 pounds 15.0 ounces; 5.0 inch width

Performance Machine
Front: 12 pounds 0 ounces; 3.5 inch width
Rear: 15 pounds 6.5 ounces; 5.5 inch width
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Phelan
Posted on Friday, September 12, 2008 - 02:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you really want light wheels, fork up $2K for some Dymag carbon fibre wheels : D . They weigh about 2 lbs each.
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Ebutch
Posted on Tuesday, September 23, 2008 - 05:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just (Polished Me)http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r200/ebutch/100 _0096.jpg wheels!
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Easy_rider
Posted on Tuesday, September 23, 2008 - 11:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm stunned that a new in-the-box front wheel just went for a little over $200 bucks on eBay. Too bad I couldn't justify another set!
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