| Author | Message | ||
     Grovskopa |
OK ... So yesterday I finally had enough money to pick up bike from workshop. New oil pump, new coil, fuel optimizer (it was running lean) and repaired gearbox. All in all 3000€ (I guess about 5000USD) It ran superb, better than ever..For a day. And then suddenly the unthinkable happened. It started coughing and rear cylinder died. Engine light was lit. Bike stops. Just like first time (the reason I left it for repair in the first place!). I manage to start it again and it runs on both cylinders as long as I run it just above idle RPM. If I try to pull the gas it just coughs and sags. After a few miles it starts running slightly better but still coughs in acceleration, especially around 2000-3000RPM. I reckon/hope the coil can not be blown this time since it started running a bit better.. Can it be the fuel optimizer? I really don't know. I am on the edge of a breakdown right now tbh.. Spent all my money on the repair and one day later same:ish thing happens. Please help, The Swede. | ||
| Chasespeed |
The check engine light came on... Pull the code(s) from that, and go from there... Chase | ||
| Grovskopa |
I don't understand? | ||
| Jos51700 |
Take it back!! They were supposed to fix that!! | ||
| Mbsween |
Grovskopa, You jump (short) two pins in the diagnostic port, which is under the seat (it's a 4 pin connector) Then when you turn on the ignition, the check engine light will blink in a sequence to show you a code (if there is one to be shown) which you can look up in the service manual The VDSTS or ECMspy software will show you the code in a much easier way. | ||
| Mmmi_grad |
OMG fire them!!  (Message edited by mmmi_grad on August 31, 2008) | ||
| Grovskopa |
OK I just talked to him. He said I could leave it there (but it is 4 hour drive from here..) Or that I should check Fuel Optimizer (ground cable was a bit squeezed) and fuel filter. I hope it is the filter... What do you guys think? | ||
| Grovskopa |
My friend said the following: Just before the bike started acting strange you ran out of gas. So it is possible that all the dirt that was in the tank clogged the filter, and now it won't get fuel because of that. I hope he is right!! I will try to open the filter today. | ||
| Grovskopa |
OK I am almost certain it is the fuel filter... Now I need to get a new one. Let's hope some local H-D dealer can get one. I checked online but American Sport Bike doesn't seem to have. Ironmachine does though, but I'd rather not order from U.S. since it takes ages to ship. (Message edited by Grovskopa on September 01, 2008) | ||
| Grovskopa |
I ordered from Ironmachine. Free shipping. So ended on 9 USD. Will try to find here as well though, so I don't have to wait that long. | ||
| Littlebuggles |
Bad fuel filters have cost me a lot of trouble and money over the years, I tend to swap them out about 18 months or so now, just for good measure. Hope that is all it is! | ||
| Oldog |
Grovs, unless there is an electrical problem the coil should not fail that quickly. can it be the fuel optimizer? yes, can it be bypassed or set to zero then reset ( like a power commander ) }Just before the bike started acting strange you ran out of gas This causes a problem, the ECM tries to add more and more fuel to correct the leaning mixture. when you replenish the tank the mix is crazy rich and the bike runs poorly, the optimizer adds an offset that the ecm tries to over come, so the self correcting aspect causes a further skew, IF you can get a lap top with ecmspy & cable you can check for trouble codes and reset the AFV (Average Fueling Value) to 100% then reset the fuel controler, OR use ECM spy to SET your maps to the Race maps and remove the controler all together. or it could be a dirty filter the X1 really is a good bike I am sorry to hear that you are having more problems, I hope that you can get them sorted out and enjoy your self } | ||
| Grovskopa |
Oldog: "can it be the fuel optimizer? yes, can it be bypassed or set to zero then reset ( like a power commander )" I don't think so.. "This causes a problem, the ECM tries to add more and more fuel to correct the leaning mixture. when you replenish the tank the mix is crazy rich and the bike runs poorly, the optimizer adds an offset that the ecm tries to over come, so the self correcting aspect causes a further skew, IF you can get a lap top with ecmspy & cable you can check for trouble codes and reset the AFV (Average Fueling Value) to 100% then reset the fuel controler, OR use ECM spy to SET your maps to the Race maps and remove the controler all together." yeah I was thinking it could be ECM also.. Since it is running better and better for every minute I ride it now. I try to keep it to a minimum though since I am afraid something will break if it runs lean. How long does it take for ECM to understand again? I don't have access to ECMspy | ||
| Grovskopa |
Actually I can bypass the Fuel Optimizer! But then it might run very lean.. My plan is: 1. replace fuel filter 2. try bypassing Fuel Optimizer, it might not be needed if filter is good | ||
| Wardan123 |
Grovskopa- I admire your tenacity. I would have maxed the insurance and parked it in the wrong section of town with the key in it a while ago... I hope this works out for you... | ||
| Mrsinister |
Hey guys is there someone on the board here that makes up the cables for the ECM spy. I was trying to borrow one to try it out but if I can't I would like to purchase one and give the system a going over on my 2000 X1 | ||
| Jramsey |
I'm with Wardan123 on this one. Less than a month ago I purchased a S3T for not much more then half of your repair bill. The bike is now with a major cleaning, polishing, and a isolator/ front rotor replacement is now a 9.5 out of 10. Late style PM wheels to boot. Wish I knew how to post pics. | ||
| Oldog |
yeah I was thinking it could be ECM also.. Since it is running better and better for every minute I ride it now. I try to keep it to a minimum though since I am afraid something will break if it runs lean. How long does it take for ECM to understand again? perhaps 15 to 20 Km at about 100~ 120 Kph 3~4K Rpm for maybe 5-10 minutes steady speed and throttle, the ecm will adjust its self, its a good sign that its getting better. IF you are worried about lean running, remove the plugs and look at them the ceramic around the tip should be yellow to light brown Grey [ not metal! ] IS ok white is bad OK ? Oh and please keep us posted as you resolve the issue, I admire your patience a man with this much stick to it will finish well. } | ||
| Grovskopa |
I don't have patience  If I could just make it disappear and collect the insurance money I would have looooong ago.. So there is just two alternatives.. Fix it whatever it costs, or blow it up and lose all the money spent (now spent 10 000€) | ||
| Grovskopa |
Finally some good news. I disabled fuel optimizer today.. And suddenly bike ran like should!! Except a fuel dip at low RPMs, so just set Fuel Optimizer to max fuel at low RPMs and now it runs nicely through whole register!!! | ||
| Kalali |
Sorry I can't help you with your problem but what is the "Fuel Optimizer" and what does it do? I have never heard about it. | ||
| Grovskopa |
It is some toy connected directly to cylinders.. On it there are 3 knobs, one low one mid one high register. Basically I can set the fuel level manually with those knobs. | ||
| Jstfrfun |
Hey sinister, What your doing is called hijacking the thread. Look for your parts and supplies in classified! FYI contact your local radio shack. | ||
| Fullauto |
Grov, you really need to get ECM Spy. Even if for the basic stuff like TPS resets. At least it's cheap. Keep going though. You'll have a fabulous bike when you get it sorted. Good Luck. | ||
| Kalali |
"It is some toy connected directly to cylinders.. On it there are 3 knobs, one low one mid one high register. Basically I can set the fuel level manually with those knobs." Sorry, I must be missing something here (no hi-jacking intended). If your bike has FI, how can you "control" the fuel delivery "mechanically"? My bike runs a little lean and I love to be able to add more fuel across the map without having to use the software/ECM approach, if possible. Thanks. | ||
| Grovskopa |
Kalali: will post a pic of it soon! | ||
| Jramsey |
Kalali Dobeck TFI does the same thing but also has a "cruise" pot. $245.95 new,I have one that I used for one day then I went to EcmSpy. (Message edited by J.ramsey on September 03, 2008) | ||
| Grovskopa |
Kalali: excuse the delay, I totally forgot about it!  |
