| Author | Message | ||
     Jsimpkins |
Hit 20k this morning on the ole' X1. Question: Any particular maintenance items I should look at performing? I ordered a new fuel filter, as it has never been replaced. Any tranny things I should look at besides adjustments and oil changes? Everything seems to be working fine, bike runs better than new. I do need to replace the rear tire soon, any suggestions? I have the S3T tire on it now. And it lasted about 5000 miles. I would like to try and squeeze a 180/55 on it for a better tire selection. I know it can be done, but what is a good sport touring tire? I haven't researched tires in a while. j-  | ||
| Kyrocket |
I'm currently running a Metzeler M3 but only have approx. 800 miles on it but so far have been very pleased. People have claimed 5000 miles out of them and I'm hoping they're right. I've also heard of them running out way before that, we'll see. | ||
| Jsimpkins |
Is that M3 a 180 or 170? | ||
| Numb_nutz |
I'M RUNNING THE BRIDGESTONE BT 020'S. SEEM TO BE GREAT WEARING TIRES AND STICK JUST GREAT. PLUS SIDE IS THERE NOT THAT EXPENSIVE. | ||
| Djkaplan |
The Metzeler M3 is more sport than touring oriented and it's reflected in the mileage you can expect from it. Use a tire width that the tire manufacturer approves for your particular rim width. Your rim width depends on what wheel style you have, the 3 spoke Marchesini type (5") or PM (5 1/2"). There is no benefit running a tire on a rim too narrow for it. You also need to consider what front tire you are using. It's generally not the best idea to use two manufacturers tires front and rear unless you know what to expect from it. | ||
| Jsimpkins |
The reason I want to get a 180, is that there is a greater selection of manufactures. Otherwise I'm pretty much stuck with stock, which aren't the greatest. j | ||
| Chasespeed |
Handling wise, the 170 will be the best, when pushed to the limits... Otherwise... I have been running 180s for probably 50k.... had a couple 190s in there as well(which felt... odd)..... As far as sport touring. I have been using the Pirelli Super Corsa 2s or 3s.... whichever series they are on now... Chase | ||
| Beachbuell |
I just did a top end rebuild (plus)on my 01 M2 with 36K on her. I felt she was sluggish and need some pepping up. Well, she got it alright and then some! | ||
| Oldog |
At 20 K grease steering head, and swing arm bearings, check Isolators. plugs, intake seals if more than 2 years old, if original injector orings. Grenade plate out of clutch. if the bike is running good schedual for this winter down time. you want the seals for the swing arm inhand if the bearings are good you need them for button up. I am closing on 40 K on the sled 20k is just good and broke in. | ||
| Jsimpkins |
I put a 180/55 Metzler Z6 on. However, outer right side bearing is toast, and I need to replace it first. How do I get this bugger out. Thanks, Jason | ||
| Rellim51 |
Aren't you supposed to change the fork oil at 20K? | ||
| Oldog |
Aren't you supposed to change the fork oil at 20K? yes you are (Message edited by oldog on July 28, 2008) | ||
| Psycrow |
Avon Storm ST, Michelin Pilot Roads (and Road 2 - more$$), Pirelli Strada, and Brigestone 020's, Metzeler Roadtec Z6 are all Sport Touring compound tires which should yield better tread life. They are all relatively the same price and wildly available in 170/60 R17 sizes. There are even more models offered by Contential, Maxiss, and Shinko which you should be able to find even cheaper. | ||
| Djkaplan |
Metzeler's fitment guide recommends a 5 1/2" wheel width for a 180/55-17 Z6... http://www.us.metzelermoto.com/en_US/browser/attachments/pdf/2008_METZELER_FULL_LINE.pdf I guess I can understand the urge to go bigger (I tried it myself once too) but I found no benefit what-so-ever to running a 180 on my 5" wide wheel. I think this article from Sportrider explains it pretty good... http://www.sportrider.com/tech/tires/146_0206_tire_size/index.html "...a 190/50-17 fits properly only on a 6.0-inch rim, and cramming it onto anything smaller severely changes its profile." "We've experienced similar changes with a 180-series tire on a 5.0-inch rim meant for a 170-series bun. Tire engineers work hard to design and match front and rear profiles for characteristics that we sometimes take for granted. Upsetting that balance is surprisingly easy and you should think twice before sacrificing your tire's performance for appearance's sake." My own experience is pretty close to what they wrote. All this is for naught though if you have the 5 1/2" PM wheels, of course. (Message edited by djkaplan on July 28, 2008) | ||
| Psycrow |
If your looking for Race compound rubber then maybe going to a 180 will improve your selection but if your looking for tread life a Sport Touring compound is the Best blend of sticky/treadlife, especially the new dual compound Sport Touring tires (ie. Pilot Road 2's). I was trying to illustrate the multitude of options for a 5" rim in 170 flavor in my above post. let me add that most of those manufacturers offer a Sport tire (one step sticker then Sport Touring) in the same Size selection. Ive never ran into a problem finding deals on Tires in a 170 size. I see these Posts all the time and wonder wtf. Check out http://www.denniskirk.com in the Metric Sportbike section and you will find a Huge selection in a 170 tire. Wide maybe Sexy and I like wide rubber too but something smacks of truth in DJ's post. | ||
| Djkaplan |
I remember having a problem years ago finding 170's from some manufacturers in their top-flight sport tires, but I think most of the manufacturers have expanded their selection. Since you (Jsimpkins) already have a 180 installed (and it may very well be on a PM wheel anyway) you should just be cognizant of what the issues are. Just because the 180 would fit better on a 5 1/2" wide wheel doesn't mean you are in danger, just be very careful at the limits of cornering. If you don't ride very agressively, you'll probably never notice a difference at all. On the plus side, one of the best riders I know uses a Z6 on the rear of his bike for it's combination of performance and long wear, so you can't go wrong there. | ||
| Djkaplan |
"Wide maybe Sexy and I like wide rubber too..." I would actually like to use a 180/55-17 and intend on installing a wider rear wheel in the future to accomodate one... perhaps an XB wheel. | ||
| Psycrow |
man I would love to have and XB front and rear end on my Tuber (ala Jodie) The Fuel in Frame is the only thing Im not crazy about on the XB's, I love the steel trellis frame and the view of the motor, but Id love the ZTL brake and the swing arm oil tank. Unfortunately I don't have the $$ or the skill  | ||
| Jsimpkins |
"Aren't you supposed to change the fork oil at 20K? yes you are" What weight oil is used for stock? I wouldn't mind stepping up the dampening some (heavier weight). I have compression set to max and it still drives pretty heavily and I don't want to crank the spring pre-load up that just makes for a harsh ride. ideas??? J- | ||
| Jsimpkins |
" remember having a problem years ago finding 170's from some manufacturers in their top-fl " Exact reason I went with a 180, could not find anything I liked in 170. So far so good, the Z6 sticks nicely and the bike turns as good as it ever did. Doesn't fall in, or step out. We'll see as the miles progress. It'll be next year before I have to replace it. j- | ||
| Djkaplan |
"Exact reason I went with a 180, could not find anything I liked in 170." That was years ago, it's not the case now as stated in the rest of the sentence you quoted. Regardless, the Z6 has always been available in a 170/60-17 to my knowledge. I do remember not being able to use some Pirelli and Michelin tires, but that was 8 years ago. Never had a problem with Metzelers, though, they've always sold a 170 in their sticky Sportec line. "What weight oil is used for stock? I wouldn't mind stepping up the dampening some (heavier weight). I have compression set to max and it still drives pretty heavily and I don't want to crank the spring pre-load up that just makes for a harsh ride." I believe Type E fluid is 10 weight. If excessive dive is a problem, adjust the front sag setting to the low end of the spec range (it's 1" to 1 1/2" for an M2, consult your manual for the range on an X1). If you still feel there is excessive brake dive, a spring with a higher rate is in order. Increasing compression damping beyond what is necessary for your weight is going to give you a harsher ride. | ||
| Djkaplan |
"Unfortunately I don't have the $$ or the skill" Ahh... even if I could get the money, there is still the issue of skill. I guess I'll just have to hire Jodie... if I ever get the money. |
