| Author | Message | ||
     Barthautala |
Alright maybe Im too fat but it seems to me like I should be able to do a wheelie in 2nd gear right? I put a V&H SS2r on it and it really woke up. It was pinging at high temps so I jetted down to a 165, I think I need to drop lower to a 160 though because it still pings at high temps. Anyways, in first I can just yank back on the throttle and the front tire will stand up as high as I want but in 2nd gear I'll nail the throttle and pop the clutch and the tire comes up maybe a couple inches and thats it. I have to yank back pretty hard to get the tire to come up any farther. Is there a secret to wheelie poppin on the tubers? | ||
| Jramsey |
My X1 wheelies on demand 1st and 2nd gear and if I catch it right shifting into 3rd at about 80 mph. I'm 5'9" 170 lbs. | ||
| Firemanjim |
Hey Bart,pinging means too lean or too much timing. Jetting leaner will cause more ping. Also check you have the updated cooler plugs 10R12 instead of older 6R12 plugs. | ||
| Jsimpkins |
"My X1 wheelies on demand 1st and 2nd gear and if I catch it right shifting into 3rd at about 80 mph. I'm 5'9" 170 lbs." What are running for mods? My X1 with a Race kit barely wheelies in 1st. | ||
| Ratbuell |
160 / 165 is waaaay too lean. I run 45/190 in both my tubers (S1W and thunderstorm S2), with race air filters and aftermarket exhaust (SS2R on the S1W, Buell race on the S2). I start with 2.5 turns out on the idle screw, but for some reason my S2 likes about 3.75 to fight a short from-a-stop ping when hot. A lean condition will also ADD to the heat. Fatten it up and it'll not only ping less, it'll run cooler. The easy way to look at it is this - you just changed the muffler for more flow. That flows air. To keep the proper air/fuel mixture, now that you're moving more air...you need to *add* more fuel, not take it away. | ||
| Loki |
slide back a little further on the seat. | ||
| Chasespeed |
My X1 with a Race kit barely wheelies in 1st. You sir, have a problem. That thing should be so wheelie happy, you are affraid of the throttle in First... Chase | ||
| Cyclonemick |
You can shift from 1st to 2nd or you can try the bounce method. Rev it untill you get the RPMS up nice and high quickly let off throttle and when your forks compress WHACK the throttle as hard as you can! It will come up! Just be ready and it's a good idea to think about your rear brake incase you go past your balance point. Hope that helps! | ||
| Jsimpkins |
" You sir, have a problem. That thing should be so wheelie happy, you are affraid of the throttle in First..." I'm also at nearly 7000 feet altitude and a normally aspirated engine looses 2% per thousand foot HP. So at ~100HP - (7*2)= 14 HP down to start with. No amount of tuning will make up for this. Its pure physics. J- | ||
| Chasespeed |
That should still be more than enough power to pull the front up in 1st... I stand a DRZ400sm on its tail light with no problem. When I puked the H/G on the rear cylinder, I was still able to stand it up....a bit rough, but... If you can take into account the power difference due to altitude, why ask what mods someone has? I didnt know you were at 7k.. It will make no difference as you yourself said, guess I just dont follow. If you honestly, cant get that thing to pull up.. it must be slower than whale sh*t.. Not trying to start a fight.... Chase | ||
| Charlies_s1 |
A week after I purchased my S1 I thought I would see what she's got, Holy S__t never do that again. All I did was roll on the gas hard and that thing stood strait up, Kinda scared the crap outta me, She came down with a thud as I rolled out as fast as I rolled on. And this bike has 23,000 miles on it, So you must try to tune it a bit more. It should do it, Trust me. Now I just roll on easy and power it up a bit slower than the first time, So damn cool I tell ya. Ride safe my friends, Chuck. | ||
| Djkaplan |
You learn to do wheelies the same way you get to Carnegie Hall. My race kit equipped M2 will wheelie you on your ass (quickly) if you aren't prepared for it during a wide-open shift from 1st to second. Bear in mind a full tank makes it harder to get up, but also makes it easier to balance. | ||
| Barthautala |
Hey fireman Jim. My bike is an S1W. I forgot to mention that. When I put the new pipe on the bike literally WOKE up. But I could barely keep it started until it warmed up. So I dropped from the stock jet down.....maybe its a 195. I cant remember which one I put in (it would help me if I remembered what the stock size was). Anyways, I could then finally start it. It stays running. All that fun stuff. But when its hot outside, like 75 and up, and Im on the bike for any length of time, the pinging returns under load. SO on take off from first I have to keep the revs up in order for it to take off without pinging loudly. I thought about dropping down 1 more size. Thoughts? | ||
| Djkaplan |
You need to go up in jet size. | ||
| Skntpig |
UP UP UP...You are too small as DJ and FireJim say. The hotter it is outside the larger jet you need to stop the ping. I live in FL and have a 200 in my S1. You can order just a few jets, you don't need a whole jet kit. Second gear wheelies with just the throttle are no problem. Google CV 40 Jetting, or CV sportster jetting. | ||
| Cbm2 |
2nd gear wheelies should be nothing to get the front wheel up, especially using the clutch. My M2 with only a VH and intake can get the wheel off in 3rd at about 60 or up. If clutching it doesn't work try standing up, it may seem strange at first but is a lot more comfortable and you can sit at the balance point forever. This is me going about 60 (forgive me for not wearing my protective gear when I ride like an idiot, I just went out to get this picture.)  , | ||
| Skntpig |
True. Since I started doing stand up wheelies, sitting down feels odd. You can't see unless you move the front end to the side and peek around the other. I like using the effective reduced gearing of the side of the tire when cornering to start wheelies. People seriously freak out when you start a wheelie mid corner, stand up, ride it around the corner, and straighten it up once the corner straightens. When you straighten it up to the middle of the tire, it is larger and will reduce rpms for a "longer" gear. Of course the corner will be more of a longer sweeping corner for 2nd to work. Standing up you can also switch lanes easier if you are coming up on traffic. CAREFULL, don't try this at home. I run GP compound race take off tires. | ||
| Skntpig |
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d52_1215711181 | ||
| Djkaplan |
I flipped my RM125 over in 4th gear doing a standup and almost ripped myself a new opinion. It gave me a scar of shame that stopped all further progress in standups. All my long wheelies have been seated since then. But the ability to get the front end up at 60 in 3rd or in mid corner... that may well give me another scar of shame. | ||
| Skntpig |
DJ. I know what you mean on dirt bikes. I had an RM125 that did the same thing to me. 4th is fast! I was on crutches for 10 months out of one year from two rides, one after another, on that devil machine. Big jumps did me in, not wheelies. Damn Suzuki. I can still do better stand ups on 2 strokes than sitting down. I guess it's just a practice/preference thing. Wanna crutch race or wheelie race in a wheelchair? I love my S1. | ||
| Magic |
I weigh 250, my 96 S1 will wheelie in first by just rolling it on. As high and as far as you are capable of. In second what I generally do is after first gear is almost done I dial off a smidgen, front wheel lands back on earth. At the same moment shift into second, dial back on the slight fork rebound with throttle application will put your front end about 4 ft in the air, and in second it is easy to float the front end with the throttle just about as long as you want. And by the way my 04 XB12S will perform pretty much exactly the same way, but the seating arrangement is much different, so it take a little different approach. If I am not in a wheelie already in second, what I do is get close to the power band, dial off of the throttle for an instant, then reapply full power. Front end comes right up no problem. But in 3rd I just weigh to much to do a smooth wheelie. I can jerk it around and finally bounce it up for a shorter wheelie but it looks pretty pathetic. Whew this post is longer then most wheelies!!!! | ||
| Jramsey |
Cbm2 Nice pic. Where did you get the Mohawk? Dj&Skntpig I've owned about a dozen TMs and RMs over the years and the one that got me the worst was my RM 400 back in '89, looped it in 4th gear almost wide open resulting in a fractured pelvis and several crushed disc. I'm reminded of it every morning when I get out of bed. | ||
| Djkaplan |
I had a brand new 1976 RM125A... it was right at the cusp of the long travel suspension revolution. The bike looked like it was from another planet compared to the CRs and YZs of the time. That bike defined my 14 year old existence. I'm not sure, but I think the back and pelvis problems I have today (right now, as a matter of fact) are also from that wheelie (and a few other incidents). Oh, my poor coccyx. "Wanna crutch race or wheelie race in a wheelchair?" I can wheelie the hell out of wheelchair. Forget the crutch race... | ||
| Jsimpkins |
Well I must have the lamest X1 on earth. In no way, shape, or form can my 02 X1 Wheelie in 2nd more over 3rd. I have stock gearing, and a Buell Race kit. It goes pretty fast, I can get it to 140+ on a long road. But not enough torque to lift the wheel in second, and pretty darn weak in 1st. I think there is a EPA flat spot at about 3500 RPM. j- | ||
| Jsimpkins |
Cheesehead... No worries dude. The reason I ask for mods, is that the mods help to add back the lost HP I have due too altitude. I'm struggling to just make claimed HP. j | ||
| Skntpig |
Sounds like you are lean. Jetting (or a tune) can make a big difference, especially in the mid and low range torque. Like others have stated above, roll off the throttle to load the forks in 2nd and then nail it. While the forks are unloading sit back while straightening your arms with a tug. It will come up. It took me a few months until I could do first gear wheelies because I was coming from inline 4 cyl and didn't understand where the bike was making power. Do at your own risk, take your time learning. | ||
| Skntpig |
My mods are just a KT pipe, forcewinder, jetted stock carb, aftermarket ignition (forget what kind), and chain/sprokets with a slight bit Taller than stock ratio for more top end, less down low. 5'9" 160 | ||
| Chasespeed |
Cheesehead... WTF? I KNOW that wasnt directed at me...... right? Chase | ||
| Jstfrfun |
No cheese in texas Chase, except that white stuff the mexicans make(real stinky!)so I'm sure there's some mistake.  | ||
| Malott442 |
-------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Cheesehead... WTF? I KNOW that wasnt directed at me...... right? Chase You ever seen such ruffled feathers? I thought you were plucked, declawed, spayed, and neutered! HAHAH |
