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Turboglh
Posted on Monday, April 21, 2008 - 07:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've been looking for an X1, without much luck I might add. Never been big on the M2's, don't like the carb and the rear leaves something to be desired in my eyes. However some pics I saw yesterday of modded tail plastic on an M2 have changed my mind. But not about the carb.

I know that it's the opposite path of most people, but I prefer fi to carb any day of the week, now add in the ease of tuning with ecmspy and the injection seems to be a good route(I'm used to tuning my car already, plus I've got a wideband o2 that I can use.

Since I'm new, I'm not sure how much will interchange. I know that the wiring, ignition, intake, TB and fuel pump all need to be changed/added. But will the X1 pump fit in the cyclone tank, will harness work with the M2 cluster, etc.

On the cam topic, Seems that the only difference between the X1/S3 drivetrain and the M2 is the carb and the cams. So a cam swap would move the powerband around to be closer to the X1's rather than the M2. Worthwhile or not?
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Guell
Posted on Monday, April 21, 2008 - 07:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i would locate a 99+ s3 tank. im thinking about doing the same thing, the tail chop really makes a huge difference too!
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Werewulf
Posted on Monday, April 21, 2008 - 09:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

well, you are in luck... if you read my S-3 project, i am removing my FI and installing a carb... so i just happen to have a FI tank available...
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Monday, April 21, 2008 - 09:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I agree on your opinion of F.I. vs carb but if you already have a carb, you would get a good deal of bang/buck if you drop in X1 cams and rejet the carb.

There are other differences between M2 and X1 bikes besides the engine management systems.
I would suggest holding out for the X1.

I happen to know someone that's getting a Uly soon and happens to have an X1 with only 82,600 miles ; )
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Turboglh
Posted on Monday, April 21, 2008 - 09:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

@Guell - One bit of info down, a lot more to go, thanks. Also, the tail makes a huge difference to me, looks 1000x better.

@werewulf - Search here is....well....it leaves something to be desired : ). Hit me up with a link, I'd like to check out your project. Also, drop me an email, address is my username at gmail. This way if I do end up with an M2 maybe we can work out a deal for your FI stuff.

@Nate - Can you also drop me an email Nate, address is above. I'd like to talk with you about that bike, hopefully it's orange/nuc blue
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Brokeneck
Posted on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 - 12:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If I'm not mistaken one other big difference is Thunderstorm heads -- pricey little bastards too -- I'd hold out for the X1 or maybe consider an S3 -- I like to see the engine -- Bneck
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V74
Posted on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 - 07:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

from 1999 M2,s came with t/s heads and here in the uk came with X1 cams,i choose my M2 over the X1 because i wanted a carbed bike,
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Werewulf
Posted on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 - 08:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

mines orange with a blue frame.. how about that?
http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/476 23/351971.html?1207846820
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Classicbuells
Posted on Wednesday, April 23, 2008 - 03:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you're serious about EFI on an M2 look closely at a Megasquirt system. Several Buells have been converted successfully and plenty of Harleys. You can keep the M2 ignition system and use it to trigger the Megasquirt EFI controller. I suggest you use an X1 or late S3 throttle body and injectors. A late S3 fuel tank would be ideal as it has the pump installed. Try a Google search, there's tons of info available.
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Guell
Posted on Wednesday, April 23, 2008 - 08:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

man, i completely forgot about megasquirt, i was thinking about building a setup for my old supercharged mr2. Ill have to look into that, or a hsr 42 lol.
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Crashbuell
Posted on Thursday, April 24, 2008 - 10:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'd keep looking for an X-1 if it was me. You prefer the styling and it already has the fuel injection on it. Plus you get better suspension pieces and a larger aftermarket selection of add-on goodies for an X-1 versus an M-2. Trust me, I have an M-2 and I'm very jealous of the pieces that I CAN'T get for my bike but are available for the X-1. And honestly, they are still pretty comparable in price because the tubers haven't rose in value quite yet, but I assume between attrition caused by mutant/chopper builds a relatively short production period for all tubers, these bikes will become more collectible in the next several years...
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Turboglh
Posted on Thursday, April 24, 2008 - 04:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks for all the advice. I found a bike yesterday, put down a deposit today and I'm going to pay the rest when I go and pick it up on saturday. 01' X1, race ecu, race header, muffler, banks shifter, barnett clutch, carbon fiber body work and some kind of aftermarket wheels (I believe them to be marchesini, but I didn't remember to write it down) Originally a black frame/black body work bike. $3500.

(Message edited by turboglh on April 24, 2008)
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Friday, April 25, 2008 - 05:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sweet : )
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