| Author | Message | ||
     Nevrenuf |
well it started friday with a trip to see my brother over in huntsville, AL. and it ended 20 miles outside of town with the oil light going on and a lot of loud tapping. found out today that the oil pump froze up and busted a bunch of teeth off the worm gear and messed up the cam for starters. up until this time it ran like a raped ape, so it gets a rebuild. luckily though, we have other bikes to play with of which i'll be bringing up the blast and the xbscg this weekend so i still got something to play with and the wife will have something to ride when she get up here next weekend to start looking for work. if i get bigger storage unit, i could also bring the ultraclassic up here to ride. i will miss the cyclone though while it gets a rebuild. | ||
| Djkaplan |
Sorry to hear about this. That was the fastest M2 I've ever personally seen, Neil. I'm dropping my oil-pump this weekend and getting a look. | ||
| Naustin |
About how many miles out are the pump gears typically failing? I have 12,500 miles on my bike now, should I be worried yet? Or, am I good until at least 20K? before I should think about upgrading? (Message edited by naustin on July 27, 2007) | ||
| Buellgekk |
It's better to prevent than to cure. So I would recommend to replace the old oil pump drive gear with the recall (bronse colored) version. The sooner the better. | ||
| Wile_ecoyote |
Did 2002 come with improved gear? | ||
| Djkaplan |
"...should I be worried yet?" It's not hard to drop the oil pump and visually check the drive gear yourself. I usually do it at every oil change, but I skipped it the last time. The last time I checked it was at 30,000 miles and it looked fine. | ||
| Nevrenuf |
this bike had a little over 8k on it and it went. the other m2 that this one replaced had over 23k on it and not one problem. could it have been because of the reworked motor or because it was done on a friday afternoon/monday morning, who knows right now. i just hope it didn't go any further than just the one side and didn't go anto the main cases which would have to be split if there is any indication of it. it will be a while before that bike is back on the road though and hopefully it will be just as bad to the bone if not better. never heard of a recall on the 02's for really anything that i was aware of and i bought the other one brand new 9-28-01. | ||
| Buellistic |
Neil: Bet it did not have the up-dated DRIVE GEAR,oil pump PN26391-06 ... "PLUS", running the primary chain TOO TIGHT did did not help either ... SORRY TO HEAR ABOUT THIS !!! In BUELLing LaFayette | ||
| Oldog |
issues with the oil pump gears are documented in the KV, the gears will show wear at ~12k miles, and the bronze replacemt as indicated by LaFayette is the hot ticket, Dj is correct the gear condition is easy to check through dropping the pump and a quick look. changing out the gear is an afternoons work. remove the rocker boxes to unload the cams and remove the front side of the gear case. replace the drive gear and reverse, peace of mind is cheap. | ||
| Sanchez |
> messed up the cam Need a set of stock m2 cams? I have a box of them sitting in my garage. | ||
| Nevrenuf |
being that it is an 02, i don't know why it wouldn't have the updated drive gear but that will be on the questions to ask when i talk to them again. as far as the parts go sanchez, i appreciate the offer but i am gonna go with the same type cam, not neccesarily the same brand. i love the power this thing had and to step backwards just wouldn't do it for me, if you get my drift. as far as doing work on my bike oldog, i try to stay away from the more technical stuff. i'm just a part's changer at best and just don't have the patience to get into something i'm not really familiar with unless i really didn't have a choice. but that's why i have other options also. went home and brought the blast and the xbs back up with me and this coming weekend i hope to have the ultra also up there. | ||
| Mbsween |
That updated drive gear didn't show up till after 02. IIRC it debuted in 2004 or thereabouts. I don't believe any of the tubers had the bronze gear stock | ||
| Mick |
This is my mates 02, and its one of the last ones, gear dosen't look bronze to me [url=http://imgboot.com/images/tuber/1000374medium.jpg][img]http://imgboot.com/thumbs/tuber/1000374medium.jpg[/img][/url] (Message edited by mick on July 30, 2007) | ||
| Mick |
DOH!! try this  | ||
| Nevrenuf |
any chance of a little larger picture mick. | ||
| Mick |
No worries Mate, Just click on the image.  | ||
| Buellgekk |
I think it's the old version. Can you make a closeup of the drivegear? | ||
| Mick |
this is a bigger pic  | ||
| Mick |
Nah no better ,thats the only one I've got it won't zoom in enough | ||
| Buellistic |
Mick: How did you do this ??? ie: Pull the cam gear cover off with out removing the valve spring pressure ... Have heard of this being done with out stressing the valve train ... In BUELLing LaFayette Ljenne73c@verizon.net | ||
| Buellgekk |
Nevrenuf, check this thread, especially Whitebuells post. http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show .cgi?tpc=3842&post=282150#POST282150 (Message edited by buellgekk on July 31, 2007) | ||
| Mick |
Buellistic , I didn't do it , the bike is a mates. He just took it off very carefully,and had no probs, I actually asked about unloading the cams ect and he said you don't have to worrie about it as long as your carefull he's worked on HD's for years so I spose he'd know. | ||
| Nevrenuf |
something for them to look at when they start putting the bike together buellgekk. i opened the pick mick thanks, duh!. | ||
| Buellistic |
Mick: Carefull is the right word !!! As long as the all the cams are on the bottom of the cams it will work ... The trick is knowing just how to set this up ??? When "i" get a 100K miles on my 97S3T the cam cover will come off and then the cat will be out of the bag ... In BUELLing LaFayette | ||
| Torquemonster |
"i appreciate the offer but i am gonna go with the same type cam" If you dont mind my asking, what type of cams were you using? I have a 2000 M2 and was thinking about swapping to the X1 cams. ...Im re jetting the carb (again), installing a k&n or maliaire aircleaner (about 400 cfm's), and possibly going with the supertrapp exhaust (currently running V&H SS2R) Am I on the right track? Sorry to jack ur thread, bro. | ||
| Buellistic |
If you run your primary chain too tight there will still be a miss match and the same thing will happen !!! In BUELLing LaFayette | ||
| Spiderman |
DO NOT PULL YOUR CAM COVER IF YOU STILL HAVE YOUR ROCKER BOXES ON!!! I don't care who has done it "successfully" before, they just got lucky. | ||
| Djkaplan |
"If you run your primary chain too tight there will still be a miss match and the same thing will happen !!!" How? Does it make the case deflect enough to misalign the gears? What are you getting at? | ||
| Reepicheep |
I'm one of the ones that got lucky. The problem is that with the cam cover on, the cams have plain bearing support on both sides to deal with the significant spring tension of the rocker boxes (via the pushrods) on the cam surface. Without the cam cover on, its only supported by one side, so its a lot of leverage on that plain bearing. I wasn't even thinking about it when I did it, which probably helped me get lucky  . This was an M2 as well, I know it has milder cams, don't know if it has milder springs as well, maybe that helped. Al Lighton and Spidy have both strongly recommended against it now... I would not chance it. | ||
| Buellistic |
Djkaplan: How: It cocks the pinion shaft forward pulling the two gears apart ... What are you getting at: "i" have 97,631.05 miles as of the last ride ... Oil pump drive gear has not failed yet ??? Checked the OEM drive gear at 60K and it looked like brand new ... You should know a slight miss match will cause a failure ??? In BUELLing LaFayette |
