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Oldog
Posted on Tuesday, January 02, 2007 - 07:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Chase:
I have had issues with dunlop for a while,

they are slick even in our mild 40f winter weather.
I dont ride hell bent for leather and I have been supprised like Mike F a time or two, as well,
they wear like "ART GUM" erasers
The LAST one was 1~2 mm out of round tread to carcass Cord showing on one side, tread on the other.

I was up on the dragon late last year and it was rainy and there were oily patches, I got 2 supprises,[ none from the tires ]
the road attack tires and these are sport touring tires, they are giving me good service, and they cost a bit less, than some of the others.
other than Interstate hiway (hs touring) they are quite fine

I95 on d207 tires ~ .8 k miles their shot
Wilmington to Jax Fl and back 2 days...

Jc I dropped my bike backing off of a ramp breaking the foot peg mount and the shifter toe peg the tranny shifts the same now as then. Most seem to be clunky 1-2 going up and 3-2 comming down

Like DJK I am interested in tranny issues, I have looked at the parts in the primary, other than the dreaded shift cam e-ring its beefy in there.
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Mikef5000
Posted on Tuesday, January 02, 2007 - 08:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Is this what the newer version of the rear shock looks like:

That's off a 2001, so even though it looks different than mine, it'll bolt right up correct?
This is what mine looks like:

(except mine as all the fluid running out the front )
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Chasespeed
Posted on Tuesday, January 02, 2007 - 10:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Anyway, as far as the dropping the bike on its left side...funny, I havent experienced any of those problems....

Though, I also havent been able to get the shifter shaft to actually touch pavement. And I have done some nasty low sides on this bike...

Chase
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Nevrenuf
Posted on Wednesday, January 03, 2007 - 06:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

that top shock looks exactly like the one on my 02. from what i understand it should hook up. one of these other guys can confirm that for you and tell you whether you need to change any of the other brackets or not.
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Djkaplan
Posted on Wednesday, January 03, 2007 - 08:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

All Buells went to the shorter Showa reservoir shock in 2001. You have to use the revised shock mount with the shorter shock and you'll also need the clamps and rubber bumper for the reservoir.

The updated reservoir shock is only a moderate upgrade from the SRP shock, but any damper with oil in it is going to feel like a miracle compared to one with no oil.
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Mikef5000
Posted on Wednesday, January 03, 2007 - 11:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't have the money for a real upgrade right now since I just paid for another quarter at college. so I was just going to get a direct replacement.

Is the revised shock mount the mount in the picture? Or is there another part?
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Sleez
Posted on Wednesday, January 03, 2007 - 11:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

all of you using automotive oil filters beware! the oil pressure bypass can be significantly different than what is recommended for these engines, could cause some serious issues.


some good filter reading;

http://www.calsci.com/motorcycleinfo/Filters.html

http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilterstudy.ht ml

http://www.calsci.com/motorcycleinfo/FilterXRef.ht ml

http://www.ntpog.org/reviews/filters/filters.shtml

they may not all be directly relevant to Buell, but are very informative about the differences in manufacturers.
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Djkaplan
Posted on Wednesday, January 03, 2007 - 12:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Is the revised shock mount the mount in the picture? Or is there another part?"

Yes, that is the revised shock mount. You can tell because it's slighty banana shaped (use your imagination) to account for the shorter length of shock (damper - sorry Blake).

For it to be official Buell, you'll need the proper steel clamp and rubber bumper to keep the reservoir from hitting the oil-pump output line. You can mount the shock without those items, though. Just be careful that the reservoir doesn't interfere with the oil line when you tighten down it's retaining clamp.
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Djkaplan
Posted on Wednesday, January 03, 2007 - 12:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I only use stock HD filters (the long one, not the stock short one) although I don't really see a problem with automotive filters on a roller bearing engine that uses such little oil pressure.

If anything, roller bearing engines can tolerate dirtier oil than plain bearing engines can, and with such little oil pressure, I can't see where any bypass valve could potentially let unfiltered oil get to the engine because it let go too soon.

It wasn't too long ago that Sportster engines didn't even come with an oil filter.
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Sleez
Posted on Wednesday, January 03, 2007 - 12:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i'd be most concerned with he bypass being too high and not bypassing soon enough since these motors are low pressure, therefore possibly starving the engine.
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Sleez
Posted on Wednesday, January 03, 2007 - 01:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

more filter reading;

http://www.synlube.com/oilfilters.htm
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Djkaplan
Posted on Wednesday, January 03, 2007 - 01:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bypasses are only of utmost importance in plain bearing engines that use fairly high oil pressures. If the bypass wasn't there, high pressure with cold oil could potentially rupture the filter when you started the engine. This isn't going to be a problem on a Buell engine because the oil pressure is (as I said twice already, but thank you for corroborating it) fairly low and plain bearing engines can easily operate without constant oil pressure at low rpm.

There would be a problem (maybe a major one) if you used a filter made for a roller bearing engine on a plain bearing engine. The bypass valve would be set at a pressure so low, it would feed unfiltered oil to the engine all the time.

I can't recall one Buell owner ever blaming any kind of oiling problem on their automotive type filter (if anything, they've been assimilated into thinking it's superior, which I don't believe) and you know how sensitive everyone is about oil around here.

The point is moot with me anyway... I only use factory filters.
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Sleez
Posted on Wednesday, January 03, 2007 - 02:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

there is another mode that the bypass functions, other than what you mention at start up. as the filter becomes more saturated with material, near the end of its life cycle, there can and will be spike of pressure due to the restricted flow through the media. this is usually handled by the bypass allowing unfiltered oil to momentarily bypass the media and make it to the engine. if the bypass were set at 20 psi for example, the pressure could get rather high and possibly temporarily starve the engine for any oil. of course this is all theoretical and up for debate as you have so easily demonstrated. in summary; it is probably not much of an issue because most buellers change their oil filter quite regularly and shouldn't allow them to get so clogged, however someone who is pinching pennies in the first place to use an automotive filter might be likely to let it go longer, therefore resulting in the previously mentioned failure mode. not arguing, just expressing my thoughts. thanks for the lively debate.
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Djkaplan
Posted on Wednesday, January 03, 2007 - 03:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You are posting the truth as I know it and I applaud your efforts to inform us with the great links. I know for a fact that oil pressure rises as filters get older because of the media starts clogging - I see it all the time in my truck. The difference is really apparent at startup on cold mornings. Theoretically, the scenario you just described is entirely feasible if you let the filter get really clogged. I doubt anyone here has had that happen, but you and I don't have to worry about it anyway.

I figure 'one less thing', you know?
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Djkaplan
Posted on Wednesday, January 03, 2007 - 03:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"thanks for the lively debate."

It takes two to tango. Thank you, as well.

I feel nice today for some reason.
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Mikef5000
Posted on Wednesday, January 03, 2007 - 05:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I just assumed (for some reason) that this bike came with the oil cooler from the factory.

That's incorrect isn't it?! The previous owner must've added it?!

How much oil does this thing take now?
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Bomber
Posted on Wednesday, January 03, 2007 - 05:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

no oil cooler from the factory until XB series bikes -- aftermarket coolers generally add less than a quart to the capacity --
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Bookyoh
Posted on Saturday, January 06, 2007 - 06:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mike:

On the recall shock mounting - do a search in the Knowledge Vault for Buell service bulletin B-033a. This will give you the installation instructions.

Mark
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