| Author | Message | ||
     Reepicheep |
The stator fry may have been coincidental... Since the Buell uses a shunt type regulator, the stator sees 100% load regardless of if you are using it or not. In fact, the more you load the electrical system, the less heat the voltage regulator has to dissipate. Until you use too much power... then the battery just stops charging until you disconnect something.  | ||
| Tramp |
it's not really a matter of practical evolution. that would be like saying that anyone who doesn't have a PC and DVD player onboard their buell is archaic in their process. the difference, Jack, is that a GPS on a motorcycle is unneccessary, not just new-fangled. What kind of bozo can't read a map or just follow signs? When you go on to say: "By your professed standards you should be on foot, clothed in an animal hide, and carrying a sharpened stick." well, Jaques, I DO wear a Vanson animal hide, I AM on foot, as are you, for much of the day, and I carry hand tools. does this make me a Leakey discovery? no, it makes me one who sticks with what works, and can utilize the simple and effective machinations which are NOt dependent on battery power. When you continue with: "And I suppose you would be sneering at anyone you encounter that is carrying a fire hardened stick with a balanced heft" That's a touigh one to dignify with any response, but...here goes: if the firehardened stick with the balanced heft (etc. etc.) is an improvement over my stick, then I'll jump on it. I don't see carrying GPS equipment, in terms of MOTORCYLCING, long OR short distance, as being much of an advantage. I see it as another gadget for riders who aren't really challenging themselves enough out on the big playground called 'the road'. What do you GPS addicts do when your batteries fail? sit in a circle under a rising monolith and start picking up animal bones to the tune of Strauss' "Thus Spoke Zarathustra"? (title transalted to english in due avoidance of unseemly pretense, let alone adherence to ancient persian religions). The more technodependent you become, the farther back you step toward LaBrean ineptitude. If that's your process, Jaques, Ride a Hayabusa or an R1200. Simplicity and reliability should not be dismissed as caveman traits. | ||
| Bikerjim99 |
I still recommend GPS, and if my batteries fail, then I will get where I am going by other means. Don't eschew technology, but don't totally become dependant on it. After all, we are using a high tech way to communicate here, aren't we? But I do get your point, Tramp.  | ||
| Whodom |
Reepi- any idea if an XB stator will fit a tuber? The XB12X stator would make for an easy electrical system upgrade if it'll work. | ||
| Reepicheep |
I doubt it, unless you also upgrade the voltage regulator, which would probably be necessary anyway for any kind of stator upgrade (as this is a shunt regulator). I think the XB stators have an extra wire. I suspect that gives them and extra phase (not sure if it is a second or a third phase) which will give more even power at low RPM's. I would bet an XB will run better at low RPMs with no battery then a tuber will. If you did both though, it might work. I would have to dig into some schematics. | ||
| Tramp |
it's not really a matter of practical evolution. that would be like saying that anyone who doesn't have a PC and DVD player onboard their buell is archaic in their process. the difference, Jack, is that a GPS on a motorcycle is unneccessary, not just new-fangled. What kind of bozo can't read a map or just follow signs? When you go on to say: "By your professed standards you should be on foot, clothed in an animal hide, and carrying a sharpened stick." well, Jaques, I DO wear a Vanson animal hide, I AM on foot, as are you, for much of the day, and I carry hand tools. does this make me a Leakey discovery? no, it makes me one who sticks with what works, and can utilize the simple and effective machinations which are NOt dependent on battery power. When you continue with: "And I suppose you would be sneering at anyone you encounter that is carrying a fire hardened stick with a balanced heft" That's a touigh one to dignify with any response, but...here goes: if the firehardened stick with the balanced heft (etc. etc.) is an improvement over my stick, then I'll jump on it. I don't see carrying GPS equipment, in terms of MOTORCYLCING, long OR short distance, as being much of an advantage. I see it as another gadget for riders who aren't really challenging themselves enough out on the big playground called 'the road'. What do you GPS addicts do when your batteries fail? sit in a circle under a rising monolith and start picking up animal bones to the tune of Strauss' "Thus Spoke Zarathustra"? (title transalted to english in due avoidance of unseemly pretense, let alone adherence to ancient persian religions). The more technodependent you become, the farther back you step toward LaBrean ineptitude. If that's your process, Jaques, Ride a Hayabusa or an R1200. Simplicity and reliability should not be dismissed as caveman traits. | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
"I would bet an XB will run better at low RPMs with no battery then a tuber will." Well an X1 will not run at all without a battery. As both myself and Chase have found. They stop as if someone flips a switch. | ||
| Tramp |
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| Old_mil |
Jim, Thanks for that reference. I'm going to go ahead and paste the relevant information from Mr. Buhle here. Sorry to hear of his passing... Hey Jim in SB, 1. Higher power alternator. Done that--H-D FL 32 amp stator fits (and works) just fine (with a suitable heavy duty aftermarket regulator). Needs a shim to get correct Primary chain sprocket spacing. Problem is keeping the FL wires requires splicing in the orig. S2 molded-on rubber grommet at the engine cases. Issue is the grommet cannot be reused without causing oil leaks :-( never solved that one, will definitely be interested in Al's XB alternative research, since the XB plug and wiring would not have the leaks problem) | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
That works?! Connecting positive and negative? Wouldn't that just shunt out any voltage? | ||
| Kahuna |
Tramp, I've read what you wrote and I have to chime in. I *disagree* with what you say - I was a GPS skeptic until i bought one, and now, I cant imagine not having one for many reasons! First and foremost, my rides now are longer and far more enjoyable because I spend the time to plan my route. Most GPS's come with PC software that allow you to pick and choose points of interest and then make a route out of them. So that when its time to head out, you just sit back and enjoy the scenery. If your idea of a ride is getting on the Interstate, then i completely see your point! save your money, its not worth it. Another reason to get one happened to me a few weeks ago, I was with a friend on a long ride and knew we'd encounter light rain, but as we progressed, the rain got heavier and heavier (we were soaked) with no indication it was letting up. we were in the middle of nowhere, two taps on the good ol'GPS, and we were routed back home in the fastest way possible... just my $0.02 | ||
| Tramp |
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| Tramp |
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| Kahuna |
that was exactly the point i was trying to make. ever since i got the GPS, i've been to places i never knew existed, it has really made my riding experience so much better... i think you should get one Tramp  | ||
| Bomber |
aplomb? I gotta get me onna those? how much juice does it need to function? can I download anyting into it, or must I take it back to the dealerhsip for updates? | ||
| Tramp |
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| Tramp |
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| Tramp |
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| Tramp |
one more thing- i'll be in big sur next week (whether i want to be, or not) for a two week stay. i know it's long putt from "the ranch" (excellent surfing in yer town), but if you wanna make a putt up 1, i'll gladly meet up with you as far south as san simeon. haven't hooked a bike up yet, but.... anyway- i'll buy you a beer and we can talk about it some more, AND you can wow me with your GPS. I have to admit that I DO find 'em habit-forming, and if for no other reason than to bs about buells and riding and to share our stories of earthly adventure, it'd be a pleasure. you'll find a guy who, regardless of his insulting online 'presence', is a very decent, engaging cat who is liked by dog, cat and kids all alike, and who tips well and does his best not to let you put your hand in your pocket at the next round...although the 'insults' still flow freely, the delivery, in person, makes 'em a hel&uva lot funnier and a hel*uva lot less caustic. -jay. | ||
| Bomber |
I was given a freebie a while back -- I DO find them useful for re-finding that interesting road I'd not ridden before, but I am also very aware of my own tendancy to ride with my eyes in the cockpit when I've got it -- that is a very bad habit, indeed (on many levels) that I need to, er, to which I must pay attention (phew) . . . oddly enough, a most successful day, for me, is counted as one in which I get good and throuroughly lost ;-} go figure | ||
| Jim_sb |
Tramp, Undoubtedly I would prefer the less caustic (offline?) version. I disagree with your analysis, but let's cut to the chase. I've done 700+ mile days on twisty backroads in the mountains, many of which simply aren't on any normal map (they're on Forest Service maps though or detailed county maps). A fun riding weekend for me is 1500 or so miles in 2 or 3 days. I've done them both with and without a modern, inexpensive GPS with all the goodies. I'll take the GPS thanks, and toss a map in my luggage as a spare. It's simply "mo' betta". If it breaks, I'm fine. I'll have fun either way. You prefer maps (the old fashioned way). Vive la difference. Next week I'm in Charlotte visiting family, but thanks for the offer (I wasn't born a Californian nor do I share the ideology of most Californians). Jim in Santa Barbara | ||
| Deltacruiser |
I'm sure there are a lot of us here in the Peoples' Republic of CA that live here for whatever reason, but don't necessarily follow the ideology of most Californians. There are a lot of wack jobs in CA, no doubt. However, this is a very large state with very different geography and demographics in different parts of the state. Some counties are as liberal as they come and others are as conservative as any Bible belt state. The big cities like LA and SF are as urban as they come. But I can show you rural areas in the mountains that would rival anything you could find in America for what some would call backwardness. (I call if peaceful.) I know I'm one of them that goes against the grain of a lot of the liberal Californians. They annoy me, buy hey I've got to have someone to argue with and •••• off with my loud motorcycle! Tramp, If you get a scoot to ride while you're out here in CA, give me a shout. I'll roll down towards Big Sur and meet you for a ride half way or so. Ride safe. | ||
| Tramp |
cool- i'll be up in the city, as well, and around san mateo cty. easily found at alice's on skylinex84. | ||
| Easy_rider |
i'm a motorcyclist, not a buff. In the words of a very wise 5-year old, "Why not both?". Anyone know of a worthwhile thread on S3T alternators they can point me to? | ||
| Tramp |
sorry, e-z. i'll delete my caustic posts. | ||
| Tramp |
i could only edit the more recent posts, e-z. hey- i did what i could. | ||
| Easy_rider |
Thanks. Not really what I expected, but thanks. Seriously now, does anyone have an idea of the current/power draw of an S3 once it's started? | ||
| Jim_sb |
PS. If anyone who represents the Collective will take the time to delete my posts, please do so. EZ, a friend did the calc's for me and he thought that, when operating with bright lights on, the modest output of the 1203cc Sportster alternator was pretty much used up. My concern was for my heated Gerbing jacket liner and gloves. I have ridden quite a few miles with them and haven't noticed any problem with the charging system. But I think the S2 / S3 vintage bikes are underpowered from an electrical standpoint. Hence my questions about adapting a Dyna style rotor and voltage regulator, which can be done, but not seamlessly. It's an opportunity for someone like Aaron, Al or Banke to step in and come up with a bolt-on solution. PLUS there are a LOT of Sportster owners out there who would appreciate a little more juice asa well. They wear heated clothing too. Regards, Jim in Santa Barbara | ||
| Reepicheep |
The "collective" did some deleting... I just left the touchy happy feely bits | ||
| Jim_sb |
Thank you, Collective. I have been assimilated. Jim in Santa Barbara |
