| Author | Message | ||
     Willmrx |
The Oregon Health Authority (OHA) assembled a Rules Advisory Committee (RAC) earlier this week to address a permanent indoor mask mandate in the state. Oregon is one of a few states that still retain one nearly two years into the pandemic. There are between 1.5 to 2.5 TBI annually (dependent on the source) in the US, and about 60,000 death related to head trauma, at a cost of, tens of billions annually. So why not mandate the wearing of helmets?  | ||
| H0gwash |
Because TBI and head trauma are not contagious? | ||
| Aesquire |
There's what? 50k highway deaths a year in the U.S.? If you can save 10k lives by mandating helmets in cars, then by the standards of the busybody/authoritarian it would be worth it. But they won't ruin their 3-4 figure hair styles, so it won't happen. I wear a helmet where I think wise. And where required. Mostly those overlap in the Imperium. But when I ride across the border into free lands, on my motorcycle, I wear mine by choice. I'm big on choice. My numbers are much lower for TBI in car crashes to avoid hype overstate, I don't dispute the OP's. (Message edited by Aesquire on December 05, 2021) | ||
| Willmrx |
"Because TBI and head trauma are not contagious?" But now anyone that want one, can get a vaccine, so why mandate masks? And are they tying to get to zero cases of covid? | ||
| Hootowl |
Yes they are. Because they flushed from their tiny brains everything we know about viruses the moment they realized they could use this to “get Trump” then forgot why they flushed it. | ||
| H0gwash |
Zero would be nice but they are probably just trying to reduce transmission. | ||
| Ratbuell |
And a piece of cloth with holes fifty times the size of a virus particle will do.....what, exactly? | ||
| H0gwash |
They intercept much of the virus-containing-spit that we spit at each other when we talk and don't notice. While imperfect, this is generally better than anything else other than vaccination if we can't stay sufficiently away from one another. | ||
| Hootowl |
Which has what effect on an airborne virus? | ||
| Needs_o2 |
Apparently no effect at all! https://summit.news/2021/11/30/oxford-professor-of ficial-data-shows-face-masks-made-no-meaningful-di fference-to-infection-rates/ | ||
| H0gwash |
In most places with lower viral concentrations, cloth masks can reduce the amount of inhaled viruses, lowering risk of severe illness. In hospitals and areas of possibly higher virus loads, cloth masks are thought to be insufficient. Hospitals often use N95 masks, good ventilation, and social distancing to lower transmission risk. | ||
| Aesquire |
You shouldn't use a dust mask for painting urethane, nor a N-95 surgical mask. Proper gear for the risk factors. It's mind boggling that getting shot is a risk factor you need to consider. If you are caring for, close contact, an infectious person, or vice versa, then cloth is wrong. That's when you need the fine filtration of surgical grade gear, gloves, etc. For walking through Target you want to stop spit & coughs, both ways. Works as good with the "useless" paper as fine brocade. Hogwash has it right. In a hospital/clinic environment, or Airliner with recirculation, then no, the paper/cloth masks are attenuation and slowing, not solid barriers. Hey, I'm bearded, so that hair is the real filter. ( encourages face washing too ) I wear a mask into the supermarket for 2 reasons. Camouflage/psyops, & spray risk reduction. Feel free to disagree that "I don't want shop employees thinking I'm a Karen" is smart. I'm sarcastic about it, that's my stock answer when asked why I'm wearing. I'm certainly against mandated masking or vaccination or whatever... Especially when it seems unsound science. But... I'm not an antivaxx moron. There's a good argument for not letting kids go to school, who aren't protected by vaccines. There's a complicated "herd immunity" concept that has recently in California been shown to be important. When this Hollywood/celebrity anti-vaxx fad led to measles and other outbreaks, that's an eye opener. Schools are a special case of infectious super spreader nightmares, so if you want Polio back, then don't insist on vaccinations. But that's a serious and important legal/moral issue all it's own. The horrific fact that big Cali cities refuse to follow medieval hygiene standards and mass, deliberately uncontrolled illegal immigration waves for Political purposes is bringing back diseases long conquered here, is another subject..... Darn it. | ||
| Hootowl |
Pat, the virus is airborne. Being spit upon is not the transmission method. Non N95 masks, for this virus, are useless. It’s like putting up a chain link fence to stop mosquitoes. And even N95 masks aren’t great because they aren’t properly fitted and worn. The data is in. Masks are useless. | ||
| 86129squids |
Well... MY masks are certainly useful!  https://www.amazon.com/PSAUH-Alfred-Neuman-Shield- Filter2pcs/dp/B0921LG9XL/ref=sr_1_3?crid=V9XRJ732U QCE&keywords=alfred+e.+neuman+face+mask&qid=163881 3779&sprefix=alfred+E.+N%2Caps%2C212&sr=8-3 | ||
| 86129squids |
Oh... and... hey, can a moderator remove the "n" in the OP title?? I'm gonna be bugged by that if not. (Sorry, Will, I'm a spelchuk kinda guy. Always been into grammar, syntax, spelling, and yadda.  ) | ||
| Aesquire |
Airborn, sure, the Chinese CCP & the WHO told us it wasn't... So we are certain it is! But how does it get airborn? It's not tiny Wonder Woman invisible jets. Comes out of mouths. If your point is, "Fauci and the Tyrants are lying and it's literally murderous to tell people that Alfred A. Newman mask is real protection!" , then I agree. Hoot, why are you making factual arguments about political Power? That's like arguing with a cat about veganism. They don't care and you sound crazy. If you think after 2 years of this shite a chinese paper garbage mask is protection against viral particles drifting in the wind, you're a credulous idiot. But it does keep coughs out of your mouth. ( and keeps your's out of other's.) And it's camo, so you don't get picked out of the herd by the wolves. The religious masters have decreed we all go veiled. They demand total intolerance. Enjoy. | ||
| Hootowl |
The virus is in the air you exhale. No droplets required. Nothing magical required, either. Masks are hygiene theater, a visible reminder to be afraid. | ||
| H0gwash |
It may be a practical costume. (Message edited by h0gwash on December 06, 2021) | ||
| Aesquire |
Practical costume? Nicely phrased. I don't dispute the fear theater aspects, either. So, an I cowardly for hiding my attitude behind a mask? Perhaps. Or am I infiltrating enemy territory like a spy or assassin? ( Not doing either, but it sure sounds sinister. ) I could b.s. you and claim it's courtesy, but really the courtesy is only to overworked store clerks who have no say in the decision making process. You don't want to? Don't. I'm fine with that unless you're coughing and sneezing. I'm pro choice & personal responsibility. One intolerant attitude I Am getting is towards intentionally rude invasions of my personal space. Someone spits in my face, I feel free to discourage that behaviour. I could argue self defense in court. I'm old, frail, and have reasonable fear! That's true, even if I might have training in ducking and running. ( Any good Sifu will emphasize avoiding a fight. ) I do get your point... ( several of you ) Probably the biggest evidence for the theater aspect is the Same Mayors and Governors and White House occupants who demand you wear a mask in the woods ( sarcasm ) don't wear one in crowded rooms full of rich peers. The Elite must not suffer inconvenience, and Need to convey subtleties with facial expression, to properly raise money and praise each other. Waiters, and other scum, must wear masks so their common faces don't compete with the Stars. Image is Everything! Funnier still, ;( there are YouTube videos of "leaders" calling for ( the real, practical, common sense ) people to not touch their faces without hand washing... Touching their faces in nervous habit while telling you... Helmets? I do get the sarcasm & irony. Of course helmets laws or anything inconvenient to the Elite won't happen by their choice. But I am cynical. Comes, perhaps, from living where legislators on the drunk driving committee get busted for DWI. ( true! More than one. ) | ||
| Willmrx |
Oh... and... hey, can a moderator remove the "n" in the OP title?? I'm gonna be bugged by that if not. (Sorry, Will, I'm a spelchuk kinda guy. Always been into grammar, syntax, spelling, and yadda. ; ) ) No problen LOL, Yeah I need to a better job at proofreading my post. Sorry. | ||
| Hootowl |
If it were practical, it wouldn’t be a costume. Look at the data. There is zero correlation between mask mandates and infections. | ||
| Aesquire |
Mandates, yes. Self responsibility, probably, but the government won't study that. Probably you'd be refused permission to make an honest study. https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/cov id-vaccination-mandates-pariahs/ I don't have a vaccine passport. No plan to get one. Except possibly as an unavoidable part of an International passport. I used to enjoy visiting Canada. Haven't for years, it's closed. My last Real passport was confiscated by the State department when the Carter Hostage screwjob happened. The Biden* Hostage Crisis is ongoing, deja vu. Boy am I glad I didn't apply for that job teaching in Afghanistan. ( yes, really ) Just like the job I was hired for in Iran, teaching machining. And Geometry & Statistics. At this rate I'll need papers to cross State Borders, Again. Expect mandatory cell phone carry, real soon. No, excuses, one will be issued. And it will report you if it doesn't hear your heartbeat. What's Your Social Credit Score? | ||
| H0gwash |
The data I have seen is mixed. You can find studies that show that masks have no effective use, but it seems to me you have to hunt harder to find those and they are too narrow in scope and strike me as cherry picking. Even if the mask itself provides marginal protection, I think the costume is practical as a reminder to socially distance and sanitize a lot which may be more effective than the mask itself. (Message edited by h0gwash on December 08, 2021) | ||
| Aesquire |
Later today I'll be in 2 crowded big box stores in a county suffering a high hospitalization rate. During Christmas rush. I'll wear a token paper mask and smear my hands with booze gel after each. I've spent thousand$ over the years on professional training using oxygen masks for high altitude work and putting them on unconscious people from sea level to 45,000 feet. ( where it's just a gesture, since they're going to die from drowning in their own fluids unless you descend immediately, and you will too, if you lose pressure containment. ) I hate to think how much I've paid to get trained to fly a plane back from the Armstrong Limit if needed. My 2 favorite quotes on the subject are from NASA and a Marine Corps F/A-18 pilot. "The subject later reported that ... his last conscious memory was of the saliva on his tongue beginning to boil." & "Reduce engines to flight idle, extend landing gear, & roll inverted before it goes black. Hope you wake up before it gets quiet. Good luck." Compared to that, arguing how effective slowing and attenuating germ spread is a fuzzy subject. Still life or death, but better odds by far. (Message edited by Aesquire on December 08, 2021) | ||
| Aesquire |
The odds on me ever reaching the Armstrong Limit are astronomical. Almost literally.  But I've been past 45k feet in an airliner, and well into what mountain climbers call the Death Zone outside a pressure cabin. It seems silly in retrospect to pay big bucks to get Air Force training just to jump from a balloon at an altitude where you need FAA permits & a filed flight plan as you cross into instrument flying territory,( 18,000 feet ASL ) once. But I also wanted to be covered for competition flight with my glider at altitudes where oxygen was needed. ( in New Mexico where the FAA blocks off an area to airliners & issues a NOTAM to beware of gliders in a few hundred mile zone where the gliders can be from zero AGL to instrument flight levels ) And it's basically every pilot's daydream to have the flight attendant ask if there's any passengers on board who know how to fly a plane. It's in several movies. ( and it's a dirty little secret of aviation, that it's easier to land a 747 than a Cub, & an order of magnitude easier than a glider that has only one shot at it. ) And, yeah. I wore a helmet. |
