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Ourdee
| | Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2021 - 11:27 am: | 
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There were a lot of circumstances that perpetuated the incident. I only commend Kyle for being armed and looking out for family. Ponder this excerpt, "Paul Sipes Jr
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Until I watched the trial footage for myself, I didn’t know the gas station where it all started and where Kyle stayed up until they started attacking him, is owned by his grandparents. They came on to his property to attack him.
I didn't know that Kyle put out a dumpster fire that was being rolled down to a gas station to blow up, with people all around.
I didn't know that the Police were told to stand down as businesses were destroyed.
I didn't know that Kyles Dad, Grandma and Friends all lived in Kenosha, 20 minutes from where he resided with his Mom part time in Illinois.
I didn't know that someone knocked Rittenhouse down twice and then attempted to kick him with lethal force to the head.
I didn't know that Huber had hit him in the head 2x with a skateboard.
I didn't know Gaige Grosskreutz, aimed his gun at Kyle first, as he admitted on the stand.
I also didn't know that in the State of Wisconsin, it is legal for Kyle to have a gun, even at 17 (which was why the gun charge was dismissed).
I didn't know that Kyle did not cross state lines with a gun he wasn't supposed to have. The rightful gun owner did, as he was legally permitted to do.
I also didn't realize that Rosenbaum was a 5 time convicted child rapist and that Huber was a 2 time convicted woman beater. I didn't know that Grosskreutz was a convicted Burglar with an assault on his record also.
IF THE MEDIA DID THEIR JOB... we would ALL have known this and tax payers dollars would not be wasted and more division created!
Copied"
A man must choose his battles wisely. I understand where his head was. |
Wcbrracing
| | Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2021 - 12:35 pm: |
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Court has said it perfectly with “LESSER IDIOT” …. Bad decisions on all parties part! Kyle didn’t NEED to be there, the Protesters didn’t NEED to be there. I DEFINITELY wouldn’t have been there, and when I see a person with a gun, Im pretty sure I walk away every time…people can’t have civilized DISCUSSIONS or just a bare hands street fight, always whip out the gun. Here in the Bay Area there has been MANY tragic freeway shootings where innocent bystanders get the hot bullet instead of the intended target.
I’ve always said that I don’t have “animal magnetism”, but I have “idiot magnetism” , gawd I seem to attract idiots, especially when working!
Thanks Court, I’ll be using “lesser idiot” from now on… |
Hootowl
| | Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2021 - 02:12 pm: |
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The rioters and looters didn’t show up because Kyle had a gun. Kyle showed up with a gun to protect his father’s property from rioters and looters. You’re an idiot if you protect your property? I disagree. |
Crusty
| | Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2021 - 03:02 pm: |
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https://babylonbee.com/news/after-prosecutors-find -mail-in-jury-votes-at-3am-rittenhouse-now-guilty |
Court
| | Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2021 - 03:55 pm: |
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I agree with every word Ourdee wrote.
I maintain that Kyle was the "lesser idiot".
Neither of the highly polarized sides is either right nor likely to come away with anything of value from this.
Kyles life is forever changed. That part doesn't matter if you are right or wrong. |
Needs_o2
| | Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2021 - 04:46 pm: |
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Court,
I think it's a little to simple to just classify them both as pure idiots. One had the naive intent to help and protect, the other idiots where there with aggressive, malicious, criminal intent, including an illegal weapon or two.
No, I wouldn't have done what Kyle did, but in his mind he was there to help and protect his family, which is hard NOT to admire! |
Court
| | Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2021 - 05:25 pm: |
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Couldn’t agree more ……
Kyle was the LESSER idiot.
I was the victim of a mass shooting on June 16, 1970 which ( may still be) was one of the larger drive by shootings. Sister hit in the face (33 pellets #4) was in a coma for 3 days. I was hospitalized for 2.
Being totally innocent does not kept this stuff from impacting your life 50+ years later. It’s one of the reasons, trained as an “expert” and licensed to carry I choose my venues and exposure carefully. Hesitation, when threatened, is not on my dance card as a result on experience and training.
The entire thing is a shame and trying to impute political conclusions as the result is a fool’s errand.
I’m sorry it happened ….. many others will be for a long time.
I’m a huge advocate of responsible concealed carry and pay heed as to where I go and when. I don’t consider being armed as my personal license to go anywhere or place myself and my family in unnecessary risk.
Just an opinion ..,,. Others will vary. I respect that. |
Needs_o2
| | Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2021 - 05:39 pm: |
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Rick_a
| | Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2021 - 08:16 pm: |
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The rioters were capitalizing on a sensationalized and politicized situation to commit unlawful acts.
I'll always side with those defending against them.
If the police cannot or will not effectively defend people, their property, and their communities then the people should. I am 100% for that. The country would be a better place if such things were more commonplace.
Court apparently asserts not to apply any political motives...but that's what it's come down to thanks to the popular media that's been fanning the flames of dissent for years, a biased prosecutor, and countless Democrats and "celebrities" making a flagrant sham of the situation.
The world is full of powerful and influential people and corporations looking to destroy the pillars of American society at every opportunity, and I take offense to that. I don't like being lied to and manipulated...and way too many people blindly follow what they're told.
Bottom line, Kyle was justified in his defense and his attackers were not justified in their assault.
It's been convoluted into a matter of white supremacy vs anti-racists though it's really a matter of free people vs wanna be revolutionaries. I'll always side with the former.
If you can't clearly see what's going on you are blind, man.
There's a direct effort at destroying traditional American society and values, and to subvert the Constitution by depicting the U.S. as evil, racist, inequitable, and unfair. The solution is to tear down the "system" of Constitutional law and capitalistic practices for who knows what. Look towards our most "democratic" areas to see.
It is 100% political, like it or not.
(Message edited by Rick_a on November 21, 2021) |
Hootowl
| | Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2021 - 09:02 pm: |
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Ebutch
| | Posted on Monday, November 22, 2021 - 07:30 am: |
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Aesquire
| | Posted on Monday, November 22, 2021 - 08:12 am: |
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https://monsterhunternation.com/2021/11/21/fisking -one-of-the-many-dumb-hot-takes-on-the-rittenhouse -case/
A good read.
Court, one of the Reasons I don't go to riots, is I don't want to Have to defend myself and others, from violent thugs. Worse, I don't want to be murdered or injured by violent thugs.
If there's a weasel word you prefer to thug, because it's been labeled sexist or other-ist, feel free to supply one. I rather like Morlock & Goblin, but both require some level of literacy and may be too obscure for many.
In a typical organized Hydra/BLM/Antifa/socialist Democrat riot today, there are very rich very evil men far away manipulating the situation. Then on scene, most are along for the fun of righteousness indignation. Some, dozens at least, are paid criminal agitators. Some are violent criminals taking advantage of the riot to break things and hurt people for fun. ( the latter 2 groups overlap a lot on a Venn diagram ) And then there's the local criminals exploiting the Evil Men Far Away's Riot to loot the stores.
And usually paid "journalists" who mostly work for the Evil Men Far Away, directly , or through their company's connections to the Evil Men.
On the opposition side you have nominally the police, except where their bosses, like Mayors are siding with the Evil Men. The local shop owners. The Citizens who take responsibility seriously. And a few useful idiots.
History shows many examples of this pattern. Including the Current situation where the police ignore the looters and violent attacks, under orders from the local representatives of the Evil Men, and persecute those defending themselves.
That's almost inevitably followed by the people the Evil Men support taking absolute power, and Bad Things for the Former Citizens.
Killing fields, concentration camps, gulags, political prisoners, missing tennis stars, people disappeared in the night, early morning raids to confiscate phones and computers, intimidation, court orders to silence the victims of political intimidation, all classic Evil Men taking power.
"Suicides" of inconvenient prisoners and prisoners held years without trials is another classical symptom of Bad Times. |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Monday, November 22, 2021 - 08:15 am: |
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One thing often ignored when people reference the "The Boy Who Cried Wolf!" story, is that the Wolves exist, and they come and eat the villagers. |
Rick_a
| | Posted on Monday, November 22, 2021 - 08:26 am: |
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It offends me when people say "don't make it political " when the entire situation was fabricated just for that purpose. |
Hootowl
| | Posted on Monday, November 22, 2021 - 09:10 am: |
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Precisely. |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Monday, November 22, 2021 - 09:50 am: |
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Yep.
It's just good sane advice to say "don't go to a riot".
Does that mean you shouldn't protest?
No. But you should be aware that Bad People can take advantage of the situation.
The Jan.6 False Flag operation had that exact thing happen.
We now know that some of the organized groups that pushed crowds ( reported by actual witnesses at the scene with video and pictures) were FBI agents and informants working for the FBI. I don't know what other government or Party groups were actively stirring up trouble.
There were young men who climbed scaffolding to wave flags. Other groups were invited in ( hold the door open for me & that's a silent invitation) and some people walked around and peacefully took selfies. Some few made trouble. We don't know who ordered the tear gas, ordered the doors opened, and who organized the operation to Fake an Insurrection.
What is obvious and certain, is that if the Bad Orange Man Loyalists had actually had the intent to have a violent Insurrection that things would be very different. The only bodies wouldn't have been a few women shot and beat to death by the Capitol Police.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/11/did_c apitol_police_murder_someone_other_than_ashli_babb itt_.html
I'm pretty well studied up on classic techniques for storming a castle. Siege engines, catapults, lots of archers, battering rams. Best by far is when traitors open the gates.
You might notice only one of those happened 01/06/2021.
I'm also familiar by my studies what happens when a hostile force enters a castle/fort/city. It's not pretty. Bodies hung on the walls. Heads on pikes. Rape, arson, looting, mass murder.
Oddly the only known casualties were not the Aristocracy of the "attacked" fortress, but a few of the unarmed people caught in the pressing mobs.
I don't know exactly WHO was pushing people into corners and breaking windows, but none of THEM were apparently injured or arrested.
So it's pretty clear to me that someone should be arrested and held responsible. It's even remotely possible one of the political prisoners in D.C. is guilty of the crimes committed that day. I doubt it, but it's possible. It's without doubt the real villains are not known or being prosecuted.
So not only is it stupid to go to a riot, it's a good bet that any protests you attend will have Bad Actors there to make you look bad and ideally get you in trouble to advance their Master's agenda.
This isn't new stuff. I could bore you for hours with examples from Byzantine sports fans exploited by political factions, to angry "protesters" throwing rocks at election officials homes in Today's America. |
Hootowl
| | Posted on Monday, November 22, 2021 - 10:18 am: |
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Kyle didn’t go to a riot, the riot came to him. Should he have abandoned his family’s business? |
Rick_a
| | Posted on Monday, November 22, 2021 - 10:47 am: |
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If anything I like that the Party is upset that their radicals may fear the fact that they can't operate with impunity. That sits well with me.
They're always the victim when someone fights back. |
Ourdee
| | Posted on Monday, November 22, 2021 - 04:14 pm: |
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My tongue has been chewed up over the past 2 years. |
Doz
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 24, 2021 - 10:23 am: |
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So, I was at my Aunts place the other night and she was bashing "this kid" for going into a riot the way he did. I tried to explain it this way. My Aunt had a restaurant and I said if the "demonstration" was happening in her town I would have been "that kid" to come and stand in front of her property- her source of income. Yes I would have been armed and would have acted the same. I think its great that people showed up when they knew the cops were outnumbered. Kyle showed up with some balls and a sense of civic duty. Kyle didn't show up with 1000 rounds of ammo dressed like Rambo to kill random people. People that criticize are either racist (another topic) or at best just armchair quarterbacks. |
Ducbsa
| | Posted on Saturday, November 27, 2021 - 07:17 am: |
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This article makes a lot of sense:
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/victoria-taf t/2021/11/23/we-need-kyles-law-to-put-das-on-the-h ook-for-lying-to-create-political-show-trials-n153 5479 |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Saturday, November 27, 2021 - 09:19 am: |
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A written law to discourage a prosecutor from committing attempted Homicide? Yeah. Sending an Infamous, innocent citizen to be killed in prison after lying about his motivations and lying about his racism is surely attempted Homicide.
It's a better solution than killing the prosecutor in self defense. Tempting as that might be.
The persecution in Kyle's trial was a crime against our Justice system. Obviously. |
Ducbsa
| | Posted on Monday, November 29, 2021 - 08:04 am: |
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https://thewriterinblack.com/2021/11/28/im-going-t o-be-blunt/ |
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