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     Aesquire |
https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2020/1 0/28/hayward-egypts-sisi-worldwide-freedom-speech- stops-muslims-offended/ Sisi said he was not endorsing violence or terrorism, such as the October 16 beheading of French teacher Samuel Paty by a teenage Chechen Muslim after Paty showed cartoons of Mohammed to his students. The murder shocked France and prompted widespread acts of defiance against Islamism, including prominent displays of the Mohammed cartoons. Sisi nevertheless argued that Muslims have a right not to be offended that should take priority over Western rights of free expression. “We also have rights. We have the right for our feelings not to be hurt and for our values not to be hurt. And if some have the freedom to express what is in their thoughts I imagine that this stops when it comes to offending the feelings of more than 1.5 billion people,” Sisi said at a commemoration of Mohammed’s birthday, a holiday called Mawlid celebrated by Sunni Muslims on October 29 this year. (Shiites and some other sects of Islam believe Mohammed was born on a different day.) Sisi also insisted that “tolerance is the essence” of Islam. “Unfortunately, there are extremists from all religions who seek to enhance the spirit of strife and ignite anger and hatred,” he added. Sheikh Ahmed al-Tayeb, the Grand Imam of Egypt’s thousand-year-old al-Azhar mosque and religious school, called on the international community to criminalize “anti-Muslim” speech and actions on Wednesday. “Offending Islam and Muslims has become a tool to mobilise votes. The offensive cartoons depicting Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) [constitute] blatant hostility against this noble religion and its Prophet,” al-Tayeb charged, as quoted by Gulf News. PBUH is short for “peace be upon him,” a ritual declaration used by Muslims when referring to Mohammed. “These offensive cartoons adopted by some newspapers and some policies, constitute a violation of all international and legal norms and open hostility towards Islam and Muslims,” he declared. A lot to unpack here, but as to the last part, the Grand Imam's decree, he does have a point. "Offensive" jokes ( see joke thread ) aka "they're picking on me!" Indeed do form some rhetoric in European politics and American internet trolls. And some of that is open hostility to his faith. And historically, ( You probably saw that coming ) Islam certainly isn't the first or only religion to get all offended & violent when insulted my opinion is I'm openly hostile to Karens telling me they're Offended and demanding compliance with their beliefs. Especially when they're old men who should grow up and grow a pair. I have the same 'tude on Karens/Mrs. Grundy no matter the faith. So while I may be considered hostile to Islam in that context, you can also say that about the Last Pope and Scientology, 'cause...$%&# them if they can't take a joke. I'll skip drawing the obvious parallels between intolerant Islam and Leftism. Documented by request. Insert "Birds of a feather..." Joke. End rant. | ||
| Ratbuell |
For feelings? I saw this quote the other day, pretty much sums it up. From Kevin Sorbo: "Saying you're offended is like saying you can't handle and control your emotions so everyone else should do it for you" | ||
| Sami |
Both Twitter and Facebook have suspended the accounts of president Donald Trump: https://www.facebook.com/zuck/posts/10112681480907 401 https://twitter.com/TwitterSafety/status/134697043 0062485505 | ||
| Sami |
Google suspends 'free speech' app Parler https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-55598887 | ||
| Sami |
Youtube suspends president Trump and disables comments: https://twitter.com/YouTubeInsider/status/13492056 88694812672 | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0121/kass011321.p hp3 | ||
| Sami |
The Time for Dialogue is Over https://ericsammons.com/the-time-for-dialogue-is-o ver/ | ||
| Aesquire |
Not safe for.... I mean, the last few minutes are a commercial, so just quit watching & screw the running dog capitalists if you like...  Free speech is So Inconvenient for despots. But it can be hard for us peons, too. In today's Cancel Culture, telling someone an unpleasant truth, like The Confederacy left the U.S. partly because of greedy monopolistic Northern industrialists who didn't want competition from Southern Slave States, who theoretically didn't have to pay labor as much... Is likely to get you branded a racist. If you keep going, and opine that industrialization of a slave state is more a threat to the institution of slavery than the righteous indignation of Northern busybodies, because it takes education to run a mill that isn't needed for picking cotton, and smart slaves are much better equipped to revolt... I honestly don't know what you get labeled for that. Satan? And pointing out the Confederate States were Democrat Party dominated, and after their terribly costly defeat at the hands of the Republican led United/Divided States, the Democrats responded with the creation of the Klu Klux Klan to terrorize the freed slaves and force them to register Democrat or be murdered? Hoo boy! You must be a White Supremacist! Yah, free speech is hazardous. Worth death, historically. | ||
| Sami |
The aim of dialogue is to come to a resolution. However, there can be no resolution when one side labels the other side as racist, white supremacist, etc. The time for dialogue is over when these and other slanderous slurs are used to cancel people. Quote from earlier article: "We’ve seen the difficulty of reasoned dialogue only increase since 2012. During this year’s Summer of Discontent, thousands of young Leftists have rioted, destroyed private property (including statues of Catholic saints), and browbeaten anyone who dared to stand up to them. The “Cancel Culture,” which can be traced back decades but received its official opening on May 9th, 2012, has meant the death of dialogue." This is a sad conclusion, but it follows reason that Cancel Culture has brought about the death of dialogue. How this death of dialogue will impact society from now on, we can only guess. But we can already see some of its impact today, such as the Left reinstituting racial segregation. | ||
| Sami |
Poland proposes social media 'free speech' law https://news.yahoo.com/poland-proposes-social-medi a-free-183203593.html Social media need regulation, and Poland is taking a step in the right direction. | ||
| Aesquire |
On a lighter note. The Weber "Safehold" series, ( I'm on the final novel ) has the setup that... A. It's the far future & we have interstellar travel and colonies. B. We run into genocidal Bad Aliens. C. They win. We fight hard but they wipe us out. D. The last humans in the Universe are on a colony ship and The Last Fleet dies allowing their escape to a distant world the Enemy hasn't been to. E. The Plan was to establish a colony that would deliberately Not have post medieval tech, for 300 years. That way the Enemy would just cruise by the silent system, ( no radio to be a beacon ) and Then mankind would crank up in industry from stored knowledge, build a Fleet, and Take revenge and make the Galaxy safe from the Enemy. F. The core crew of the Colony ship, led by the Captain, change the plan to one of hiding, forever. G. To do that, they establish a religion, this forbids technology research and development beyond wind, animal and water power... Then it gets to the First novel. In part these are typical alt-history books of the "breach loading rifles vs. muzzle loading muskets" genre, aka "what if Napoleon had machine guns" technology jump. But also Religious Establishment vs. ... Thick, I warn you! Lots of good characters. Spoilers! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safehold The author on religion and tech. The other series mentioned... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Armageddon_Inh eritance Both great reads, I especially like the Armageddon Inheritance. Highly recommended. | ||
| Patches |
His books about the teachings of the "The Church of Scientology"? David Weber's idol L. Ron Hubbard("The Church of Scientology") was a student of Aleister Crowley – Ordo Templi Orientis (church of satan) black magick. "The Church of Scientology" is no different than Anton Lavey's(another Aleister Crowley student) "First Church of Satan". | ||
| Aesquire |
Huh? I've not seen any books by Weber other than fiction listed in his bibliographies, so I challenge you to give a reference. I thought I had everything he'd written. If he has done a book on Scientology, I want to read it. He's certainly qualified to research such a book. Weber is a Christian. Methodist lay preacher, former Episcopalian, might have been Church of Rome for a bit, iirc. You might argue many things about the Church of Rome & Catholicism, especially the Last Pope, who's a Communist Liberation Theology product. But Crowley? And Scientology is a whole different animal than Satanic. It's a secular scam based on bad science fiction. Feel free to dislike it. Virginia Heinlein said the rumor that Dianetics & Stranger in a Strange Land were initially products of a bar bet at a convention aren't true. But the rumor was that L. Ron and Robert bet they could write a imaginary religion that people would actually adopt. I've heard 2 variations. So convincing it would attract followers, & so ridiculous no one rational would buy it, but it would attract followers anyway. I'm going to assume Virginia was right, but that second version of the legend fits Scientology like OJ's gloves.  Other than introducing the word Grok into our language, Stranger hasn't been a big cult creator, if you ignore the Manson family and the Beatles connection. Charlie is nuts. Anne Rice fans starting a cult, maybe. Of course Heinlein fans would consider themselves inspired, but not cultists. | ||
| Patches |
Scientology and the occult https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_and_the_ occult 1 Tim 6:20 - KJV 20. “O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:” Weber is a United Methodist lay preacher, and tries to explore in his writing how religions (both real-life and fictional) can be forces for good on the one hand, and misused to defend evil causes on the other. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Weber United Methodist does not believe the bible and is not of Christ. Gala 1:8 - KJV 8. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. David Weber stated in interviews that L. Ron Hubbard was one of his idols. | ||
| Aesquire |
Please post a link to the interview you mention, please. I want to hear it in context. As a writer of high volume? As an aside... How much does it pay to play a parody of a faithful man on the webz to discredit Christians? Because Balkanization is the SOP of the Neo-Marxist cults. As far as Methodist not being Christians? From an outside view... A drive shows very similar symbology. Although I've never understood why anyone thinks the cross would evoke pleasing memories in the Dude from Nazareth. I do grasp how the cross shows his faith. Weber also has stated in interviews that military fiction where only faceless bad guys die is splatter porn. I agree. | ||
| Patches |
Aesquire, I don't remember the video there are so many of them. The video series "All the World a Stage" shows all media forms of entertainment including sports was invented for one purpose and that is to discredit God. The video series is to damn long. Science Fiction goes back to when people worshiped the host of heaven at lest since Noah's flood. | ||
| Aesquire |
Ok, I'll assume then it doesn't exist. Further, Thanks for letting me know to ignore the "stage" series. Personally I've found considerable understanding of issues of faith from speculative fiction. | ||
| Patches |
You believe "star trek" is real? Michio Kuku believes "star trek" is real. Michio Kuku: Can Nanotechnology Create Utopia? | Big Think ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzgVWpa4fzU --- Myself I believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God. The Only True Gospel. | ||
| Aesquire |
You believe "star trek" is real? Nope, it's a semi utopian fictional world by a veteran. ( the Original series ) I also don't believe you aren't a shill for atheists, but I could be wrong. The problem with that belief is it's logically impossible to prove. Is someone who is offensively intolerant to the point of parody actually a really bad example of a faithful man? Or someone pretending to be a really bad example to discredit the faith they say they follow? You see the quandary. It's especially difficult when The Enemy of Christianity that Actually Exists on the Earth, the cultish Left, uses exactly that strategy to discredit good people. Today. In multiple contexts. I really have no idea how you could prove yourself to me, and certainly wouldn't ask you to even try. But I am curious if you had thought on that logic puzzle. | ||
| Patches |
Aesquire, This video is for you. More than likely your not smart enough to understand it. Science Fiction Religion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEfeMKeZHf4 | ||
| Patches |
Why is it open season on The King James Bible? Censored War on Free Speech https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9a52qvDI6jY | ||
| Aesquire |
"you're" btw. Science Fiction Religion is a sermon about atheism. Not atheist. I disagree with what seems to be his thesis. I also see no difficulty in the Big Bang Theory and Genesis both being true as far as the moment of Creation. I'm not at all certain either is right, since I wasn't there. I won't waste my time on the Free Speech one, since I'm in favor, and totally agree bad people want to destroy faith in anything except their own construct. As to why it's open season? It's open season on EVERYTHING, you just notice when your own ox is gored. Not a slam on you, I often feel the same. You want MY opinion on the KJV? I'm not a good enough biblical scholar to tell you why a different version is a better translation, if one exists. I simply object to the myth that there is divine perfection in a human product. Just because it says on the label that it's perfect doesn't make it so. That label is on a lot of things that just obviously aren't. But in honest and open discourse, The KJV and the Quran and Plato's Dialogs all are open for criticism and praise. The treatment of Faith, in fiction is also open season. There are lessons to be learned about faith, in the tales man tells. From Beowulf to Babylon 5. | ||
| Sami |
Having experienced the "tolerance" of the Left, I no longer mind the "intolerance" of the Right. If I had to choose, I choose genuine intolerance over fake tolerance. The question of entertainment goes way back thousands of years and was discussed by people such as Plato and Aristotle. There are basically two schools of thought on entertainment. One view is that entertainment is a tool of the State to indoctrinate people into a certain way of thinking. Another view is that entertainment induces catharsis that, when used right, can heal people. There is truth to both views, entertainment has been used as a tool for indoctrination, and entertainment has been used to heal souls. My experience is that there is no such thing as neutral entertainment. Entertainment is always an instrument for something or other, be it a tool for indoctrination or a tool for catharsis. | ||
| Aesquire |
Sometimes a cigar is just a smoke. | ||
| Sami |
And sometimes cigars are "Torches of Freedom" (Newspeak). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torches_of_Freedom | ||
| Patches |
Sami, Lucifer has been using woman to destroy Gods creation sense the beginning of time. Aesquire, Don't you have to have atheist to have atheism? I wasn't there for the Creation ether. It takes faith to believe. The KJV is not a human product. God is the Author of the bible. How could the Word of God not be true when it is related to physical places that exist today, and people that have existed throughout documented history of the world. As far as fiction (science fiction), they tell you upfront it is "NOT" real. Still people will worship it or wish it to be true. It is "!!!unintelligent, brainless, foolish, irresponsible, unthinking, ridiculous and insane!!!???" to think "science fiction" holds more weight than The Word of God. | ||
| Aesquire |
I like the Torches of Freedom reference. I don't worship SF or romance novels or Big Bang Theory. Although "Penny" would be an object for appropriate worship if real. Beowulf to Babylon 5, many lessons in fiction. If you can't grasp the concept of fiction? Best avoid all literature. Especially the stuff people tell you was written by invisible omnipotent omniscient beings. | ||
| Pwnzor |
The KJV is not a human product. Patches, it's right in the name - King James Version. "Version" The Arch Bishop of Canterbury, commissioned by King James I of England, oversaw the project, wherein many human beings wrote the actual collection of stories... 47 human beings to put a finer point on it. God didn't pick up a pen and write anything. God causes things to be written by men, whom He inspires to do so. Or, in this case, were ordered by their boss to do so. AND, in this case, translating from texts written by countless others who died many hundreds of years previous to the occasion. KJV is my preferred version. I like the language in it. To others that method of writing or speaking isn't so clear... the New International Version, I think, does a pretty good job of getting it into plainspeak. I believe that Jesus Christ, the son of God, betrayed by Pilate and others, was crucified in a symbolic gesture by which all those who believe in Him shall be washed of their sins and accepted into His Kingdom. The books that tell the story are subject to quite a bit of interpretation, not to mention the fact that KJV is a collection of books approved by KJ himself, with others being left out. Many subsequent versions have been based on KJV instead of the original texts... including the leaving out of a lot of books that could or should have been included. But that would muddy the waters, wouldn't it? The King of the Britons had his eye on preventing the Fall of the British Empire, upon which the sun never sets. Got to keep the narrative on track, eh? Well, what better way than to eliminate things that could be interpreted differently? Like what, you ask? Well, let's look at just one of them, only have to go to chapter 6 of book one: The Nephalim are mentioned over and over - Giants in the land, and sons of God coming home and impregnating women. Aliens perhaps? Coming from their distant star to perpetuate their own species through interbreeding? To me, "aliens" are part of the story. I believe it is folly to think that we are alone. Not just folly, but vanity. They are not truly aliens, they are us and we are them. But, I digress. The Word of God in written form are merely the words of man, interpreted from a vision had by another man or men or women - two thousand years ago, give or take. | ||
| Aesquire |
https://www.amazon.com/Torch-Freedom-Honorverse-Da vid-Weber/dp/1439134081 Part of the series. I'd start at the beginning myself. I am amused and occasionally appalled by folk who do complex math based on the Bible. Multiple translations and the 4 different number systems... Aramaic to Greek to Roman/Latin to "arabic"/English. Systems with & without zeros, systems with & without exponents. "Calculating" the age of the Universe or days until it ends seems beyond iffy to me. I too prefer the "flavor" of the KJV, as far as language goes. Not buying the Holy Editor idea though. Don't recall Jesus of Nazareth making such claims about a book written 1600+ years after he shattered the gates of Hell. Not that it would make sense over 2000 years ago. "Some of you guys will write a best seller about all this. ( outcry of disbelief) A King in a land beyond the Pillars of Hercules will have the book translated from the Roman language ( angry mutters ) and it will miraculously be correct, although, ( points) your chapter will get tossed out. ( wailing ) People long after we're gone will throw in a selection from the Torah as the first half, call it "Old" and they'll leave out the explanation of why you shouldn't buy lottery tickets." ( cries of anger ) Yeah ... don't think so. | ||
| Patches |
Pwnzor, You do know King James I of England commissioned the "THE HOLY BIBLE". Modern bibles which Rome claim to be older were translated from manuscripts ie: codex sinaiticus(found in the garbage can in a catholic monastery) and codex vaticanus(found in the basement of the Vatican) both manuscripts are catholic that was used to translate the "NonInspiredVersion". The niv was translated by a "team of 15" which were Jesuits "Society of Jesus" Rosicrucian Freemason Catholic priest. The "Society of Jesus" was formed by the Catholic church with ONE purpose - To Destroy The WORD OF GOD. And the Dead Sea Scrolls(which contained a small portion of Leviticus and Numbers) is a joke. The Dead Sea Scrolls is from a Qumran sect of Gnostic Doomsday Occultist. 99.995% of what they found was PURE CRAP! Another that helped with modern versions was Virginia Ramey Mollenkott, lesbian best known for her "God of the Breasts" interpretation of El Shaddai, spent her 44-year professional career teaching college level English literature and language, but developed specializations in feminist theology and lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender theology during the second half of that career. Mollenkott served as an assistant editor of Seventeenth Century News from 1965 to 1975, and as a stylistic consultant for the New International Version of the Bible for the American Bible Society from 1970 to 1978. Do you really believe Lucifer the Morning Star? Aesquire, "why you shouldn't buy lottery tickets" Matthew 6:24 KJV is why. The other crap you wrote I tried to explain before. You will never get it. |
