| Author | Message | ||
     Macbuell |
Work with the Democrats? When have they ever worked with anyone? Did the Dems work with Trump and the Republicans the last 4 years. Or did they just run fabricated investigations against Trump. Oh, and their definition of compromise is you give a mile, I'll give an inch. There is no working with the Dems when their stated goal is to destroy everything that conservatives value. | ||
| Sami |
Shoggin: "A few of us on here are preaching for American UNITY. Ya it's hippie crap but how can anyone claim patriotism without unity? At least it's clear hypocrisy is alive and well." Ya it's hippie crap. Hippies drop LSD and somehow that makes them experts on unity. There can be no unity between truth and lies. A "unity" between truth and lies is called a half-truth. How can anyone claim patriotism with such "unity"? | ||
| Needs_o2 |
I guess when one can't take part in a discussion and admit to facts that don't conform to the "facts and reality" as they see it, they just need to find their security blanket, their safe space, and scream at the sky. Being self-employed, I have no one else to blame when things go south, so I know I'm wrong a lot and admit it openly, but to deny facts that are irrefutable and accept falsehoods on their surface shows an extreme bias that can only be seen with a deep look into a mirror. This two party system has proven it's flaws, and with most sheeple not willing to think for themselves or break from their heard, this seesaw effect in congress, of who owns the majority, will continue. As far as the election fraud and/or hijacking goes, which is blatantly obvious, and if your comfortable that the correct candidate won the election, then why, why, why, why would you be against investigating the election? And, saying just suck it up and vote next time your vote will count, is beyond disingenuous. Why, why, why, why wouldn't you want the system fixed? Rhetorical, we all know why, it will give you the results you want and not the results the founding fathers brilliantly designed it to do, represent the country fairly. If anyone on the left could answer that question honestly, then we'd see their true colors. | ||
| H0gwash |
It takes $$$ to do the kind of audit I think you have in mind, especially to do it transparently, but yeah, if people want to put their money where their mouth is, spend away! | ||
| Needs_o2 |
We'll see if Mike has enough money from his American Dream to see it through. It's sad to think that money is probably what it takes to make things right and fair, since we all can't afford to be treated equally, even when it comes to one person, one vote. | ||
| H0gwash |
Don't take it personal. Money and effort is what you need to get something you want done the way you want it. It is much more practical to address election fraud going forward because there is already a budget earmarked for that. The budget for the 2020 election is already spent. IMHO in the spirit of conservativism, anyone who wants that redone should pay for it, taxpayers should not bear that burden. | ||
| Needs_o2 |
I really don't think it should be a matter of taxpayers money, it should be congress doing their job to fix what is truly wrong, we shouldn't have to buy justice. Correction: One citizen, one vote. | ||
| Pwnzor |
anyone who wants that redone should pay for it, taxpayers should not bear that burden If enough people are asking for it, then the taxpayers will bear the burden... just like we bear ALL other financial burdens of the government. I wonder how much money we could save if we didn't pay $174,000 per year to ex-bartenders with no background in economics (or any other form of education)? For my part, I'm with you on moving forward. Address what is happening and what will happen rather than mucking about over spilled milk. It's too bad that the people we're expecting to stay on top of it are the same ones who f***ed it up this time. The enemy's ground game worked. The schools are completely infiltrated and most young people are not taking an interest in being public servants. | ||
| Shoggin |
Sami, the "fact" is that BOTH parties are guilty for a long time now, and WE pay the penalty. That is why I feel, WE need to fight back, not fight each other. Needso2 I agree totally, and also know the ups and downs of being successfully self-employed. It does take a person comfortable with self reliance and responsibility. The election has been investigated? The EIGHTY SIX court cases filed by DT?? They ALL been thrown out. It's not a process controlled by the current President, or the past one, and thankfully so for both. I recall reading (I'll look if someone wants) that if ALL the cases brought by DT were won by him, he'd still have lost by a considerable margin. So now what? Is it time to reform the voting process to some sort of miracle perfect version? In less than 4 years? Good Luck, the feds can't even build a simple wall that fast. | ||
| Needs_o2 |
HOgwash, I don't take any of this personally, since no one on this forum knows me personally, so if someone does try to go after me personally, it wouldn't have any merit. Too bad others can't just discuss/debate an issue with insulting others or allow themselves to be insulted. (Message edited by needs o2 on February 08, 2021) | ||
| Ratbuell |
I think the point he was trying to make is, cooperation is a 2-way street. If you're so SURE there was no fraud, no shady business, no shenanigans...help out. Work WITH the "other side". Crow about "bipartisan cooperation" all you want, crow about "unity" all you want...but take the first step. Actions speak louder than words. If you don't want to take the first step, and you prefer to rule through dictatorial fiat (executive order, after executive order, after executive order)...then go piss up a rope. You fed us "not my president" and "#resist" for four years. Payback's a bitch. YOU put YOUR money where YOUR mouth is - if you want change, if you want unity, if you want reconciliation, YOU start the process. | ||
| Needs_o2 |
Shog, I guess it depends on who's numbers you use to determine how the election would have turned out, but it sure as hell shouldn't be swept under the the rug to be out of sight out of mind. | ||
| Aesquire |
The newspapers in Florida paid for a recount, found Gore still lost. That didn't stop complaints that Evil Republicans stopped blacks from voting, because, racist, but not much came of that. This isn't a recount solution problem. 2020 is allegedly a fraud problem. | ||
| H0gwash |
O2- by "don't take it personal" I wasn't referring to personal attacks, I was referring to the outcome of the election. Almost half of the country is upset with the outcome every 4 years, this year should be no different *especially* since no one can seem to show any fraud of any consequence. When you do your job as agreed and they complain about something that they can't prove do you redo your job for them for free? I wouldn't. | ||
| H0gwash |
I'm not sure how you could do the audit you suggest for unlimited amounts of money. Even if you mirrored whatever official numbers that existed somewhere, somehow, and even if they *truly* showed fraud and where and when it occurred, and *these* are the official numbers, crazy people would still cry foul if the results didn't suit them personally. So maybe no amount of money can buy the 2020 election, even for an audit. How do you treat a customer that cannot be pleased? You stop doing business with them. | ||
| H0gwash |
I wonder how much money we could save if we didn't pay $174,000 per year to ex-bartenders with no background in economics (or any other form of education)? I agree it is a terrible reality, but voters voted them in because it made sense at the time. I don't think it's right to put all the blame just on one party of the social contract purely out of convenience. | ||
| Needs_o2 |
I'm a way worse critic on my work than my customers are, but if they did complain about something, I would, AT THE VERY LEAST, let them show me what they see as a problem. Do you HONESTLY believe that's happen with the election results? Did you even watch Lindell's program? | ||
| H0gwash |
Do you HONESTLY believe that's happen with the election results? I do. The courts heard evidence that people wanted them to hear and they made judgements. Some of the evidence was so weak that some courts have threatened disbarring and fining for filing frivolous lawsuits. By analogy, the customer wasn't able to show that there was any problem, only that they were unhappy how your job turned out. I stopped watching after 37 minutes and scanned ahead after recognizing Phil Waldron and Russel Ramsland, whose testimony has already been discredited by Georgia and Michigan courtrooms. Other guests include Dr Shiva Ayyadurai, Patrick Colbeck, Melissa Carone, Matt DePerno, Mary Fanning, Gen Thomas McInerney and Terry Turchie. All of these people have already been discredited by the courts who heard their evidence, or else they did not provide evidence and only conjecture. | ||
| Aesquire |
*especially* since no one can seem to show any fraud of any consequence No one is allowed to show fraud. You're stuck on Phase 2. 1. No fraud, stfu. 2. Fraud, sure but not enough to matter. Stfu. 3. Yeah some fraud, but it's too late now to change the invitations. Stfu. Or we'll destroy you. And now... 4. Yeah, we withheld news unfavorable to our choice, lied consistently and in a coordinated conspiracy, paid by the richest guys around, who tell you what to think, and Thank The Goddess Gaia, we did that, because otherwise The bad orange man would have won. It wasn't Fraud, It was A Patriotic Coup. Now shut up and worship us. And phase 5. We'll sue or drive from office, job, and community anyone who questions the results of our Bravery. So you're 2 behind. | ||
| Needs_o2 |
HOg, What I do take personal, is the fact that I'm supposed to be okay with taking rule from Dirty Joe, when my or family's votes may not have counted at all, literally. I didn't care for Obama at all, but I accepted it, because I wasn't aware any real attempt to manipulate the election on SO many levels, from within and abroad. Now you're trying to tell me too bad and just accept it. If there wasn't so much evidence showing voting irregularities, I would accept Dirty Joe and Cameltoe, but I still wouldn't feel good about the path they're going to take us down. | ||
| H0gwash |
All is fair in politics, and when the wind shifts behind you, there is little that can stop you, only the consequences for when the winds shift again. But you can still show fraud just to stick it to the man. | ||
| Needs_o2 |
HOg, Are these the courts from the same states that were aloud to change their voting rules without going through their legislature as their laws require, those courts? | ||
| Ratbuell |
Time Magazine has at least advanced to phase 4... | ||
| H0gwash |
Some are. The court cases are easily searched at your leisure, I would recommend it, FWIW. Pennsylvania in particular had a republican controlled legislature that changed its election process legally (IIRC) and then the GOP complained about such changes after the election. I feel your pain about "your team" losing the election, I was there not long ago. You should not take the loss personally because IMHO it actually affects you very little. Many of the things that happen during any administration is bigger than can be avoided. The current administration can only deflect it slightly one way or another even with the best of luck, and that is what we all bicker about, much for personal identity and entertainment's sake. | ||
| Ratbuell |
The current administration can only deflect it slightly one way or another even with the best of luck ...except when they completely bypass the Legislative and Judicial branches, and rule through Executive Order like dipshit has been doing for the last two weeks, completely unchecked... If you think the bickering is for entertainment and personal identity, you need to pay attention to what this •••••• is actually signing. This is not "what color drapes do we put in the Oval Office" stuff... | ||
| Sami |
Shoggin: "Sami, the "fact" is that BOTH parties are guilty for a long time now, and WE pay the penalty. That is why I feel, WE need to fight back, not fight each other." Then fight back. Fight back with your wallet first and foremost. Stop financially supporting the people who hate you. Stop using their products and services. If you use Google, Twitter and other social media, then find alternatives. Stop thinking that they will solve your problems when they caused it in the first place. Both parties are guilty, both parties have sold America to the highest bidder. The main problem is that career politicians and lobbyists put a price tag on America. And guess what happens when they put a price tag on something, they attract buyers. Don't get upset at the buyers, get upset at the sellers. Make your money talk, that is the source of your political power at the present moment. Don't spend money on anything or anyone who hates you and your country. If enough people did this, then the system will change for the better far quicker than any election reform. They want you to believe that you have no power to make a change. That is a lie. Any power that they have is given to them by us. Stop giving them power, that's all. | ||
| Needs_o2 |
Been thinking about trying My Pillows for a while now, bought a couple on Saturday.  Will let you know if I like them once I get them, direct from the factory. | ||
| Macbuell |
I have to be honest ... the self righteousness and "calls for unity" are starting to piss me off more than anything that happened in the election. It borders on having your face rubbed in shit. For all those saying this shit, after the last 4 years where people that dared to have a different political viewpoint were called every name imaginable, and worse ... do you think your audience is going to accept/respect that message. | ||
| Crusty |
Oh, come on! Just because I'm a Racist and a Nazi and one of the Deplorables, I should be ecstatic for the opportunity to be groveling to the scumbags who stole the election? I've only been subject to five years of malicious stereotyping. I should be extremely enthusiastic for the opportunity to accept that the things I value will be completely discarded by the new Ruling Class. Or, I can just say, GO F--K YOURSELVES! | ||
| H0gwash |
Reconciliation is a thing any administration can use. Trump used it too. IMHO the income threshold for the stimulus is too high. |
