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     Ebutch |
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| H0gwash |
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| Blake |
https://hereistheevidence.com https://hereistheevidence.com/election-2020/stats/ 2,036,041 Ballots Touched By Anomalies 923 Sworn Fact Witnesses 50+ Courts Blocked An Evidentiary Hearing 7 Key battleground states with unconstitutional elections 0 Audits of key counties' election materials, machines, & systems | ||
| Zacks |
And if you think for one second that the allegations of fraud weren't reviewed and will be corrected (aka hidden better) in two years, you're being blistering naive. | ||
| H0gwash |
Regardless of affiliation, politicians are not unlike inmates in a prison talking shop. They compare notes on the newest techniques that will fly under the radar of an unsuspecting mainstream population. So yes, fraud will continue to evolve as a tool used by any politician. I am sorry to say this is the nature of the beast. Hopefully changes will be made that will increase confidence in future elections. | ||
| Ratbuell |
Changes start with shining light on existing problems/irregularities/illegal actions. We should be investigating this not based on the idea of "enough" fraud to change the outcome...but under the idea that "any fraud is too much". Only once we investigate, will we know the extent. And I suspect that's why the Left refuses to allow an investigation to begin...but only an investigation will tell for sure. | ||
| H0gwash |
https://www.newsguardtech.com/wp-content/uploads/2 021/01/HereIsTheEvidence.pdf This appears to be a donation site to unknown owners which features already debunked and misleading claims. | ||
| Blake |
Hogs: That aggregation of references to election issues cannot no so glibly dismissed with the wave of a hand. The site is a massive aggregation of references that are each rated for their significance and admissibility on a scale of 1 to 4 with 4 being the greatest possible score for each. So the site openly concedes that some of the references are poor. One should expect that those rated poorly, 1's and 2's, might not pan out. So then focus only on those that are rated highly, 3's & 4's, or even just double 4's. There are a lot of them. Have they all been refuted? Any of them? Or did your fact checking source just refute a small sampling? It's a "donation site"? You mean the owners ask for donations to help with the costs involved, like BadWeB? So what? That is a diversion, and has no effect on the site's aggregation of known election issues already out there. You don't know who the aggregators/site owners are. So what? That's just another diversion that has zero effect on the aggregation of existing election issue reporting. The site doesn't really make claims on its main page. It merely presents a long list of categorized references for various types or indications of possible/alleged election fraud, and rates each for admissibility in court and significance in effect re the election. The "Stats" page presents factual information, data, and statistical analysis. If that's been refuted, I'd like to see where. Don't let bias cloud your view of reality. It's a tough thing to avoid for sure. I can't get any Biden voter to answer my question: Why not have conduct open transparent audits of the election materials in counties alleged to have major anomalies? Half the country thinks the election was a fraud, stolen. We won't have a country like that for long. So why not prove Trump a lying clown and allow the audits and help restore trust in our election? Only one reason not too. Two reasons to delay it for months. Given enough time, tracks may be covered, new envelopes with signatures matching state records may be produced. Computer files wiped or altered. Only one credible reason not to do so. Massive fraud. | ||
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| Blake |
Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, Amazon are now shutting down Trump and free speech barring any mention of election fraud, de-hosting Parler.com, and de-platforming the President of the United States of America!!! They're not doing that for any small reason. Our Republic is being dismantled. Does anyone here recall what our old friend CityXSlicker was telling us years ago? He was dead on accurate, but many scoffed at him. HBO, no ally of conservatives or the right, did a decent documentary on the massive vulnerabilities of computerized voting systems, https://www.hbo.com/documentaries/kill-chain-the-c yber-war-on-americas-elections. Your jaw will hit the floor. Turn on the voting machine, opening screen presents a choice, asking "would you like to connect to the network (LAN)?" They also reveal that Dominion voting stations print out a vote ticket for each voter showing the voting selections chosen, but the vote tabulator only reads a QR code, which the voter has no way of checking. Machines and tabulators routinely connect to LANs, and so may easily be on the Internet. Facebook's android in chief, Mark Zuckerburg invested a half BILLION dollars into putting vote drop boxes in select precincts, 90% of which were heavily Democrat. Drop boxes are illegal since they break chain of custody requirements. They are the perfect mechanism enabling ballot stuffing, and for hiding vote harvesting. Psychology 101 says that whenever there exists a great motive, a simple means, and lots of opportunity, the crime will be perpetrated, guaranteed. "Trump is Hitler"? Could there be a greater motive? Well yes if you add to that great power and wealth. If you have the voter roles and new mail-in ballots, drop boxes, or the ability to hack the election computer systems, the means are readily available, trivial even, so long as you can also control access to the scrutinising of ballot processing, can stop counting, can insert cases of ballots in the wee hours, etc, etc. Opportunity? All you need are drop boxes and or access to election system computers, by Internet hack works fine. Given that along with the significant collection of circumstantial evidence, wild statistical anomalies, illegal behaviour, and nearly 1,000 sworn testimonies, it is impossible for massive election fraud to not have occurred. (Message edited by Blake on January 19, 2021) | ||
| H0gwash |
The 4s are debunked with little effort as well. While they are technically true in that the court cases were filed for example, they are not relevant because court cases that Trump won forced a change from noncompliant election policy to compliant election policy. Other times courts dismissed the Trump case for improper filing, and Trump dropped the case rather than file properly. Those are generally cases where Trump would not support his own evidence. A donation site without known owners suggests the unknown owners are benefitting by maintaining misleading claims. No law against that, but I would not donate to that site and expect anything in return. I'm okay with open transparent audits of materials and whatever, even beyond automatic state election recounts. These cost money and the challenger usually pays. There is management and labor costs to auditing to ensure votes are kept confidential consistent with existing election law. Trump paid for a 2 county recount in Wisconsin if I remember correctly. It did not change the results. But sure it can be done, someone just has to step up and foot the bill and commit to the time. I don't think Trump is interested in election fraud, it is easier to cry wolf. In 2018 Trump disbanded his own Voting Integrity Commission after he was unable to show voting fraud cost him the popular vote. If Trump was interested in voting integrity, he would have put in place safeguards for the next election so he could collect proof of fraud against his own re-election to show to the courts. Clearly, he failed at that. Courts also noted that Trump unreasonably delayed his own court filings putting artificial pressure on the courts to rule quickly, which is why those cases were dismissed. I agree there was massive fraud. The fraud was Trump. | ||
| H0gwash |
NOTE: Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, Amazon, etc, are not shutting down the Republic, they are just shutting down the death threats to overthrow the Republic. Republican who don't post death threats online can still express first amendment rights on the web. Also- in order to demonstrate fraud on the QR codes, you need to show the vote was switched, not just that you think it was switched. Where is that evidence? | ||
| Blake |
The party of mass protests & defunding police is now the party of no protests allowed and DC marshal law. There was zero added security in preparation for Jan 6th rally in DC? Early requests from Capitol Police Chief for more security were denied on Jan 6th? Smells rotten to me. No identification yet of murder suspects? We're told they are Trump supporters, nothing else to see, it was an insurrection. That despite over 600 other Trump rallies to date, none suffering anything like the violence of Jan 6th. The gaslighting is strong and relentless. Do not be fooled. You KNOW how the Left works. You've seen its history planet-wide repeatedly: False flags, massive media control/propaganda, public shaming, violence and destruction, division, critical theory, speech/thought control, marshall law, struggle sessions, deplatforming, cancel culture, lists, and demonizing of political opponents. Plot out the trajectory of tyranny/oppression in America over time. It has gone exponential. | ||
| Zacks |
Blake: I'm not disagreeing with your points at all and tend to think along the same lines. The issue I've been struggling with personally is what person or group has overriding control and direction of any/all fraud/irregularities? Do they have Zoom meetings to coordinate? I realize the idiots-in-charge here in the sovereign state of Wisconsin put a bunch of improper (aka illegal) things in place this time around. But where did that germ of an idea get it's start? Hog: Yes, there were 2 counties where a recount repeat: recount occurred - Milwaukee and Dane (Madison). Not an audit, not a review. Both heavily Democrat. And Mayor Barrett (Milwaukee) complaining at the time that it was racist for the Trump campaign to select these 2 counties - in other words, the default excuse position. BTW, Census bureau data has Dane at 85% white and Milwaukee at 65%. | ||
| Blake |
Further discussion with someone who thinks the president was deplatformed from Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube and others for posting death threats is pointless. Further discussion with someone who thinks Parler.com had anything uniquely problematic in character on its site compared to Twitter or Facebook or YouTube such that one lone warning a 24 hours notice was a reasonable just act is pointless. Such a person has willfully chosen to deny reality in preference to the narratives of Leftists. QR codes issue? Allow the audits, all of them, ballots, printed versus scanned images, mail-in envelopes and signatures and ballots, all ballot physical evidence, and the full gamut of election computer/networking evidence. Why not? Leftists refuse to answer that simple question, and that says all anyone need know. They all know the election was a fraud. Otherwise they'd be leaping at the chance to put the nail in Trump's political coffin. It's not worth further discussion that I can see. Willfull denial of the evidence and glib dismissal of the beliefs and observations of half the country is a shocking thing to see in fellow Americans. | ||
| Aesquire |
Zachs, who the Evil Overlords are is the subject of many conspiracy theories. I know folk who think it's the Rothschild dynasty, & some here blame the Illuminati or Masons. ( hilariously, every Mason I know tells me the Illuminati was eliminated centuries ago... A Masonic subcult that scared them ) I tend to point to our real life Red Skull, proud Nazi Soros, who is a real life partner with Barry. Who paid for Barry's career, education, and spent millions to launder Barry's past? Unknown. So obviously it's more vast than just Hydra ( the hundreds of Soros sponsored sub organizations ) And the Clinton crime family, Biden Crime family, & The British Royals. ( 2 of the above being prime suspects in cancelling Epstien's investigation. ) I'm pretty sure the rumours that Hillary and Susan shoot up with drugs made from tortured baby's spinal fluid are Bull, since it's a rehash of old antisemitic propaganda. Other than that, if it seems crazy, it might be real. See how good "They" are at convincing people about... Covid/not enough fraud/peaceful protests, etc. So, I don't know, & if I did, They'd have to kill me.  | ||
| Blake |
Zacks: Two fronts in play: 1) Getting election rules changed in key states to support poorly secured/vetted mail-in voting, mass mail-in balloting, and drop boxes, see https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/11/04/marc -elias-democrat-lawyer-who-pushed-vote-by-mail-in- 2020-also-behind-russia-dossier-in-2016/ and also Stacy Abrams and the feckless traitorous Georgia GOP Sec. of State. 2) Election fraud, 2 types: A). Ballot fraud only required in just a select 7 or 8 counties, some/many of which are already well known for serious problems with election fraud. B) Systemic within certain computerized election systems makes it trivial for a skilled hacker anywhere in the world. It never required any massive coordination once the election rules were subverted. After that it was just run of the mill ballot stuffing. | ||
| Blake |
There is a third type of election fraud, vote suppression. I saw it here in Kilgore at my own polling station. It shut down for an hour early in the morning due to some "glitch" in their computerized system. But some people couldn't miss being to work on time. How many people did that "glitch" keep from voting? It happened in many other precincts, including some of the large ones in key states. One even made national news. | ||
| Zacks |
I'm repeatedly amazed that the same folks that can come up with 56 theoretical possible means to get infected by Covid can't envision ONE method of mail-in voter issues. Wasn't former President Carter involved with an entity monitoring foreign elections after leaving office? That should offer some veneer of legitimacy to any findings of inconsistencies they identified. Any comparisons to this election? | ||
| Ratbuell |
I'm repeatedly amazed that the same folks that can come up with 56 theoretical possible means to get infected by Covid can't envision ONE method of mail-in voter issues. Because COVID serves their needs; voter fraud does not. Selective truth. It's the new reality. "Truth" is no longer absolute - it is subjective. Just ask anyone on the Left. | ||
| H0gwash |
Trump was deplatformed because he was unable to follow Twitter's Terms of Service. The others deplatformed Parler because Parler could not control death threats being posted there. Thanks for the fact check Zacks. I suspect there is no overlords to pin blame on because major corporations don't bribe one party over the other, they bribe both parties. The super wealthy would not do such a thing if they didn't think they would have to. | ||
| Aesquire |
he others deplatformed Parler because Parler could not control death threats being posted there. Really? Nothing to do with competition? The internet Giants have it both ways, the protection of free speech, the censorship of Will. ( I don't like it so I ban you ) Or, you could argue they are under tremendous pressure, from Europe, China, Iran, and American Busybodies, to censor political speech, and terrorist propaganda, and thus can't stay in business unless they Obey the laws passed in foreign countries, to censor whatever annoys the local Rulers. Both have a lot of truth. Banned Parler for having free speech? Nope, not buying it. Shut it off because it was competition to their services and viewpoints. Great excuse though. Might even have some truth to it. Who wrote the threats? A rare right wing loon? Or tech #2765 Shift 2 at Amazon because it was on his work ticket. "Let's see, reroute server traffic to bypass the backup in sector 128, change the price on all Xmas themed costumes, write death threat, see attachment. Light day." | ||
| H0gwash |
Amazon has already offered to rehost Parler once they have a moderation plan. So, no, I don't think it's competition, it's liability and again it is a simple Terms of Service violation. | ||
| Gregtonn |
Hogs reminds me of my oldest sister who is a year younger than me. When we were kids she was sitting on the top rail of the hog pen making fun of my brother and I as we were cleaning out hog shit and being harassed by the hogs. She got to laughing so hard she fell in the pen. We let her scream bloody-murder for a while as she wallowed around in the shit. After a bit we helped her up and out of the pen. Fortunately for her it was a warm summer day because mom wouldn't let her into the house until she hosed off most of the hog crap. Janice is a liberal to this day and many of her ideas remind me of the smell of hog crap. G | ||
| Ratbuell |
So I guess those same terms of service don't apply to the Ayatollah, who is screaming "death to America" on Twitter and Facebook? Or to any of the others (Madonna, or the redhead bimbo, or Maxine Waters) who openly declare hatred for Trump, and America? That's all OK? Bullshit. Wake up and pay attention. Today is the start of American Dictatorship. Pages of E.O.s slated for right after inauguration - E.O.s which are designed to be used only when the House and Senate can't reach an agreement, and the President has to step in. But, Sleepy Joe's handlers have told him he simply needs to decree new rules through executive fiat, because the Democrat party knows best and the rest of us are simply serfs. 25,000 troops occupying the Nations Capitol, to make sure the area surrounding the "inauguration" is clean enough for television and no disruptions are shown. Gas prices are already rising. This is how it begins. Wave goodbye to freedom. Now we're all stuck with what you voted for. | ||
| Pwnzor |
Amazon owns their servers, and as such they can host who they want. Or not. Amazing to me that the concept of private property escapes so many people these days. I don't like wearing masks, but when I go to Costco I have to put one on. Just because I'm a member doesn't mean I don't have to follow their rules. Wasn't Parler founded by some billionaire? Why doesn't that person build their own server farm? I have my own private 8TB cloud, right here in my living room next to my routers. I can host anything I want. | ||
| Pwnzor |
I've got news for everybody. Biden or no Biden, life will go on. Taxes will go up. Services will go down. Lather, rinse, repeat. I'll point out again that this physical life is not the goal. It's eternal life that is the goal. We're here for a minute. That minute should be focused on what comes after this. | ||
| Sami |
Joe, those 25,000 troops are meant to secure Trump's Inauguration Day, not Biden's. Trump is the commander in chief, not Biden. Those troops follow Trump's order, not Biden's. Those troops have one goal: To ensure law and order. | ||
| Ratbuell |
Sami - I understand the concept, and I hope you're right. However, 48 years living within 90 minutes of the Beltway has taught me that's not how things work in the Swamp. I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it. |
