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     Aesquire |
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/01/trump hating_lincoln_project_announces_its_assembling_a_ blacklist.html Follow up on Republican Elite Trump Hatred. In partnership with Hydra. ( who sponsored Media Matters & Trump Accountability Project blacklist ) | ||
| 86129squids |
Back to my thread title. Graham and I (and his ex, "Vamps") got to be good friends back when we met at HC2010, after Wandell and morons sacked Buell Motor Company. I'd had his phone number, but that must've been a couple of "smart" phones ago. (Weird how I lose some numbers when my data transfers.) Anyhoo, it has become very evident that life in DC is wackier than ever, and that's the last known residence I have for him. We made it down to Suches together a few years back, so I'd like to hear how my BFAM is getting along. I'm sure I could use FacePalm, but I avoid it, creeps me out. Thanks for sayin', Mike. Dangit, but boy howdy don't we need to find a better way? Remember "WE" The People? NOT "you" on that side, "me" on mine, hollering across a shit filled moat? Where's the bridge? | ||
| Ratbuell |
Remember "WE" The People? NOT "you" on that side, "me" on mine, hollering across a shit filled moat? Where's the bridge? The Left has burned that bridge - it's called Cancel Culture, an offshoot of Identity Politics. It's the Left's two favorite methods. "If YOU aren't the same as ME, then you (and anything you want to say, or think) deserve to be cancelled. You do not deserve to exist, unless you get in line with MY way of thinking." Listen to the words of your party, Brad. Deconstruct their sentences. Listen to what they are actually saying - not implying, but saying, and DOING. "Fundamentally change the United States of America". How? WHY? If it's so bad here, why do we lead the globe in immigrants (both legal and otherwise)? Why do we have the worlds strongest economy (until the Left sells us to China)? Why do YOU owe money to blacks - who were never slaves - for slaves you never owned? Because that's what this whole "reparations" thing is. Why are we tearing down statues from history? Lincoln didn't do anything this year to piss people off...why are his statues being destroyed? Columbus? Lee and Grant? "Amen and awomen". Seriously? Can't say "man", "woman", "husband", "wife", "mother", "father", "son", "daughter", "aunt", "uncle", "niece", "nephew" - in our own House of Representatives. WHY? Listen to their words. Think about what they're saying. Look at what they're doing. Form your own opinions. Really LOOK at your party, with fresh eyes. Ignore media. Ignore tech. Draw your own conclusions. | ||
| H0gwash |
The Capitol riot was the ultimate cancel culture. It attempted to cancel an American election. | ||
| Pwnzor |
On the subject of term limits, just give a cursory examination of the situation involving Jerry Brown. Governor of California FOUR times. Why? Because the term limits didn't exist during his first two terms. But they existed during his third and fourth terms. Imagine for just a second if he were a Republican. | ||
| Ratbuell |
California. Republican. Riiiiiight. (but I get your point) | ||
| Needs_o2 |
Hog are you just COMPLETELY disingenuous, or are you in such a bubble that you HONESTLY believe there was no vote fraud? Even a blind squirrel finds a nut, and there were nuts EVERYWHERE in November! This is how the left has been putting up their wall as to divide everyone on Trump. | ||
| H0gwash |
What makes you think I believe there was no fraud? Barr: “to date, we have not seen fraud ON A SCALE THAT COULD HAVE EFFECTED A DIFFERENT OUTCOME in the election.” (emphasis mine) Sure there's fraud and errors all over the place and all of it should be stopped. But if I were to try and enforce elections myself by, say, breaking into the Capitol, I would probably get arrested, so I leave the enforcement decisions to those with jurisdiction. That's a 'rule of law' thing. Their attitude seems to be that one party's fraud tends to cancel out the other party's fraud if the fraud is small scale. They seem to be more concerned with organized widespread fraud which would be more likely to effect the outcome of an election. The audits of the Georgia election seems to confirm this. So yes, blind squirrels will find nuts all over the place, but it takes more nuts than that to make a difference. (Message edited by h0gwash on January 11, 2021) | ||
| Ratbuell |
Did you read my post about the election fraud? If there is ANY fraud, it needs to be investigated. Only once we start to investigate, will we know the extent of the fraud. But we MUST investigate. Period. | ||
| H0gwash |
It is one of the few things we agree on. | ||
| Ratbuell |
Great. So let's get started pushing for an investigation. This needs to be put to rest. | ||
| Chauly |
It's not the widespread fraud that swings elections, but the small targeted ones that corrupt the vote in a predominantly ?? county that swings a state to the side of the predominant party, that swings the electoral count to the candidate. That's why they are called "swing states". Coincidentally, they are also the ones that are sympathetic to the Democrats. Every single instance of voting discrepancy needs to be rooted out, investigated, and prosecuted with extreme penalty to discourage it from happening. It's like examining a persian rug with a loupe to figure out the pattern and size. | ||
| Needs_o2 |
Hog, do you also still believe in the Russia collusion simply because of the evidence that you know or don't know of? Do you also believe that states didn't break their own election laws? Do you believe that you know of all the fraud that took place, especially see the reversals that happened on election night? etc, etc, etc,..... | ||
| H0gwash |
True, closer elections are more sensitive to fraud, and many states automatically do recounts for this purpose. There were a lot of swing states that were put under the microscope by Trump, but he was unable to support his charges of fraud in court. Perhaps the voters in these states concluded that Biden sucked slightly less than Trump. IMHO the clock has run out for the 2020 election, but I support your investigations of fraud prevention in future elections so long as they don't involve things like bombs and hogties. | ||
| Ratbuell |
bombs and hogties. That's your party's methodology...goes along with burning and looting cities. | ||
| H0gwash |
I suspect Trump was pursuing a Trump Hotel in Moscow but without hard proof I deferred to the investigation which was inconclusive, so it was a dead end. Many states changed some voting laws legally prior to the election and they certified their electoral college votes legally. You may lead the race during most of the laps but it is the last lap that wins the race. That is the nature of a race. I don't claim to know everything, and neither should anyone else. | ||
| Ratbuell |
Many states changed some voting laws legally prior to the election and they certified their electoral college votes legally. Incorrect. States changed their laws ILLEGALLY. Their Attorneys General unilaterally decided upon new laws and methods, and did not consult nor get approval from the state legislatures, as per the state constitutions. | ||
| H0gwash |
I am not a democrat and I do not support the propaganda that supports the BLM riots. I am also not a republican and I do not support the propaganda that supports the Capitol riot. I've been Independent for a while although I do lean heavily democrat. I think being Independent allows me to better evaluate the arguments of either party more objectively. | ||
| H0gwash |
Please name state and specific illegal infraction and I will research and audit what I believe. | ||
| Pwnzor |
I have to say... as much as it seems like the election may have been stolen, I've not seen any hard evidence to back it up. I'm not very smart, I could be very wrong. It all seems very much like crying over spilled milk at this point. Trump lost. As for the so-called "riots" at the capitol, I don't see any real evidence of that either. Looks like a very few people got out of hand. That there was a large crowd of spectators is merely circumstantial. A large crowd with a few bad actors in it. The police were almost comically unprepared for anything because... well, let's face it. Large groups of conservatives rarely get out of hand like what we've seen in Seattle recently, or such as was the case with the "Occupy Wall Street" movement. | ||
| Zacks |
Here, I'll help (Wisconsin): https://elections.wi.gov/voters/absentee Any qualified elector (U.S. citizen, 18 years of age, who has resided in the district in which he or she intends to vote for at least 28 days) who registers to vote is eligible to request an absentee ballot. ... You will also need to provide a copy of your acceptable photo ID with your request. If you are not already registered, you will need to register to vote before an absentee ballot can be sent to you. And although the Election Commission approved sending out request forms to all registered voters, I personally received a ballot as did my parents, nephew and one of his daughters. These are ones I know personally know of. No ID's, no requests. | ||
| Ratbuell |
Here's the gist of it, you may do your own research - but it is the basis of the Texas court case that was rejected on procedural reasons: https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/12/17 /ken-starr-you-cannot-have-changes-in-election-law s-after-the-fact/ | ||
| Pwnzor |
What's that mean? Explain to me, I'm dumb. Looks like some duplicate ballots were sent out. Did you cast those ballots? I saw people in my precinct who were sent absentee ballots actually cancelling them at the polling place so that the computer would spit out an in-person ballot for them. It was an inconvenience, but they were not able to vote twice. Yes, the machines were from Dominion. It looked funny at the time, but actually thinking about what I saw, it makes sense. Some extra ballots went out. People came in to vote, were told "step over to that table and cancel your absentee ballot. OR, you can fill it out and drop it in that box right over there." No new ballots were issued to those people as far as I could tell. | ||
| Pwnzor |
---my response was for Zacks. As for Ratbuell's information, it sure does seem like a few states changed the rules at the last minute and may have violated their own constitutions. My understanding of that is, it's a state-level issue and it's up to the electors in that state to deal with it. | ||
| Ratbuell |
I believe Zacks point is, the state constition says a voter has to REQUEST an absentee ballot, and in order to receive one, they must provide I.D. These protocols were not followed - mass mailings of ballots were sent to EVERY voter in a district, regardless of request or I.D., which overpopulated the ballot pool and threw open the door for duplicate voting and/or substitute (i.e. "dad's dead but we'll go ahead and cast a vote for him", or "these people returned these ballots, empty, but we'll go ahead and fill them out the way we want anyway") voting. | ||
| Ratbuell |
Agreed - the state has to deal with it. However - states that performed these illegal changes should be nullified en toto, since there is no realistic way to track which votes are legitimate, and which are not. Either that, or re-vote, under scrutiny, and create new totals. | ||
| Pwnzor |
These protocols were not followed - mass mailings of ballots were sent to EVERY voter in a district, regardless of request or I.D., Ok I get that. I'm not sure what voting machines they have up there, so can't speak intelligently about fraud potential. My point was that my observations revealed that potential duplicate votes were being caught before they happened, at the polling place. | ||
| Ratbuell |
...or kept in crates, to be hauled in and counted after the polling places "closed" and all observers were sent home... There are too many "what if"s to let these numbers stand. Your observations revealed HONEST voters. We are not dealing with honesty here. | ||
| Zacks |
Hogwash asked about violations to state law so he could research. Pwnzer: Duplicates - yes. No question. Book was checked when I went to in person voting to verify it wasn't a duplicate. Can't speculate when updates to the book happened or how often. But, that's duplicates. As mentioned, since actual ballots were mailed out there's nothing to check the actual person it was sent to was the one filling it out and returning it. Nor that they were a qualified elector aka state law. 'Ship has sailed'? Certainly. What I (and I believe any reasonable person) wants to see is true reform and a process that ENSURES the votes cast are the one actually counted. If we have to endure the same opaqueness and BS in 2 years, then pluck the chickens, warm the tar and clean out all the State houses. | ||
| Tootal |
My brother sent me this link. I don't know this guy but he claims to be a Navy Seal. I haven't heard this anywhere else so probably bogus. Time will certainly tell! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaMvsMjr8U0&featur e=youtu.be |
