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Zacks
Posted on Monday, January 11, 2021 - 09:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Question for the hive because this group is as diverse a set of talents as I know.
Daughter's Kitchenaid stand mixer circa 2005 stripped a couple of gears.
Replaced the main drive gear, planetary had a bent shaft and was replaced along with the outer ring gear. And of course all the grease.
There's nothing that feels odd when spinning the motor by hand, but it's noisy when running.
Almost like a rear differential that the lash wasn't set correctly.
Any ideas?
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Ratbuell
Posted on Monday, January 11, 2021 - 10:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Are the gears directional maybe?
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Tootal
Posted on Monday, January 11, 2021 - 10:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If it's whining the gears are too tight. If it's more of a ticking noise then they're too loose. Gears would have to be made the exact same size as the old ones or they're going to make noise. This could also be bearing noise if there's a bearing damaged when the shaft was bent. This will be a high pitched screaming sound.
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Greg_e
Posted on Monday, January 11, 2021 - 11:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Some of those mixers just run like that for a while, the gears eventually find their set. I'm guessing there aren't any ways to adjust the gear mesh for tighter/looser.

But I'd be inclined to check the bearing and maybe motor brushes. Pull the gears back out and run the motor, still have the sound?
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Zacks
Posted on Monday, January 11, 2021 - 11:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

All the gears are either helical or bevel cut, so certainly directional.
There is a tiny thrust bearing (new), otherwise everything rides in bushings.
The exception being the planetary drive and ring gear.
I was leaning towards Greg's idea.
remove the inner gear on the planetary so that the ring gear is out if the picture and run it.
Although, it'll probably be easier to separate the motor from the driveline first to eliminate that.
At least all the grease is new and doesn't have to be cleaned out again.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Monday, January 11, 2021 - 12:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Isn't it great that something as mundane as a mixer is so user-serviceable? It's refreshing to see this in the disposable world we live in.

I think Greg's got the idea here.

I've got a $3500 Samsung refrigerator that was great for a year, and now I'd like to roll it out into the street and let it get smashed by trucks.

I think a thread dedicated to appliance-related grievances could turn epic.
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Ourdee
Posted on Monday, January 11, 2021 - 12:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Replace brushes?
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Aesquire
Posted on Monday, January 11, 2021 - 01:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Kitchenaid mixers come in plastic and metal gear versions. Emiril used the plastic gear ones on tv, because of the noise, & burned out several making bread dough, etc. On air. He just had a spare under the counter. I've got the metal gear version. It's noisier, but I'm not sure how to rate your repair vs. New.

My sister and I have new-ish Frigidaire refrigerators. The defrost mode is weirdly noisy. "Appliance possessed by devil" is actually in the FAQ/service online. Mine sounds like demented chuckling. Other than that, works fine.

Since I'm told "they all do that" & the suggested "repairs", leveling, did nothing... as did calling service. ( who say, they all do that, & would be willing to charge for a call, but no promises... )
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Zacks
Posted on Monday, January 11, 2021 - 01:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Update:
Disconnected the motor from the gear train. Quiet enough for a fractional hp universal AC motor.
Pulled the driven gear off the planetary to remove it and the ring gear from the equation. Also quiet enough.
Pulled the micrometer out and the ring gear to housing dimension wanders thru about 3/4 mm. So, I'll seat that a little better.

Also noted that the motor only mounts at the rear with the nose shaft captured in a 2 piece plain bushing with one half being the top of the gearcase housing.
The gearcase housing has 2 locating pins - one is broken off and missing.
So, it's possible the motor and drive gear could be also misaligned slightly.
Parts book again.
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Tootal
Posted on Monday, January 11, 2021 - 02:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Good catch Zacks! Sounds like you're honing in on it.

After 40 years my Frigidaire refrigerator, that came with the house, finally died a year or so ago. Yes it was Harvest Gold! I went to buy a new fridge and jokingly complained about it ONLY lasting 40 years. The shop owner laughed and said don't worry, your new one will only last 10!
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86129squids
Posted on Monday, January 11, 2021 - 04:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Digging the thread. We managed to score a Kitchenaid mixer at AMVETS, all parts included and in plastic, for about 1/3 retail. M made Cuban bread with it a couple of weeks ago, as we already had a pork roast and all the other fixin's for Cuban sandwiches. Including a panini press.



Here's the recipe- it will produce the real deal, authentic Cuban bread. Even without a mixer and hand-kneading, it's awesome. You're welcome!




Pan Cubano -- Cuban Bread
By Three Guys From Miami
Prep time: 2 hours
Cook time: 18 minutes
Total time: 2 hours 18 minutes
Yield: 1 large wide loaf
With a crisp crust on the outside and a lightly textured inside, a warm, fresh-baked loaf of Cuban bread is the next best thing to heaven.

INGREDIENTS:
1 tablespoon active dry yeast
2 teaspoons sugar
1 1/4 cups warm water
2 cups bread flour (see instructions)
2 cups all-purpose flour (see instructions)
2 teaspoons salt
1/4 cup lard (melted in microwave)
2 tablespoons warm water (to brush on loaves before baking)
1. Grease a large bowl, and set aside.

2. Take a small bowl and dissolve the yeast and sugar in 1/4 cup of warm (110 degrees F) water. Place the bowl in a warm place and let it stand until it starts to foam and double in volume, about 10 minutes. If it doesn't foam and bubble, you have some bad yeast!

3. Meanwhile, measure out 1/4 cup of lard and place the lard in a Pyrex measuring cup or other suitable container. Heat in the microwave on high for about 90 seconds until melted.

4. Place the water/yeast/sugar mixture in the mixing bowl of a stand mixer. Add the rest of the warm water and the salt. Using the dough hook, mix on low speed until blended.

5. Take your measuring cup and dig in to the flour bag, scooping out two whole cups of each flour. Now the important part: in a separate bowl, sift together the two flours. Sifted flour has more volume than un-sifted flour, so you will use approximately 3 1/4 cups of sifted flour in the following steps.

6. Gradually add the flour mixture, a little at a time, to the wet ingredients in your mixer -- mixing constantly. At the same time you are adding flour, gradually pour in the melted lard. Keep adding a little flour and a little lard until all of the lard is added.

7. Continue adding more flour -- A LITTLE AT A TIME -- until you make a smooth and pliable dough. Try to add just enough flour to make the dough elastic -- just as much as necessary so that the dough hook barely cleans the sides of the bowl. Too much flour and your bread will be too dense! You will use approximately 3 1/4 cups of sifted flour to bring the dough to this point. (More or less, this is where the art of baking comes in!) Save any leftover flour mixture for rolling out the dough.

8. Now let the machine and the dough hook go to work kneading the dough. Set the mixer on a low speed and knead for about 3 to 4 minutes, no more! Your dough will be fairly sticky at this point.

9. NOTE: If you don't have a mixer with a dough hook, you can also do this the old fashioned way. Turn the dough out onto a lightly floured surface. Pound the dough ball down and knead by hand until the dough is smooth and elastic, about ten minutes.

10. Shape the dough into a ball and place it into that bowl you originally greased in the first step of this recipe, what was that, something like a week ago now? We know, we know -- bread making is a long and involved process!

11. Flip the dough ball a few times to grease it up on all sides. Cover the bowl with a damp cloth and place in a warm place. (We like to pre-heat our oven to 160 degrees F and then turn it off, thus creating a perfectly warm environment for our rising bread.) Let the dough rise until it doubles in size -- about 45 minutes to 1 hour.

12. It's at this point in the process that you can usually find three guys, covered in flour, sitting by the pool with their feet up and enjoying a cold beverage. It's also about now when Raúl always asks, "Why didn't we just pick up a loaf of bread at the bakery?"

13. When you return from the pool, turn the dough out onto a lightly floured board, using the leftover flour you have in the bowl. Sprinkle some flour on the dough and use a rolling pin to roll it out. We like to make a large loaf, shaped to fit our longest baking sheet diagonally -- about 20 inches long. So we try to roll out a 12 x 20-inch rectangle. Sprinkle more flour on the dough and turn it over a few times as you roll it out, to keep it from sticking to the rolling pin. The added flour at this rolling stage should take care of most of the stickiness of the dough.

14. Roll the dough up into a tightly rolled long cylinder, with a slight taper at both ends. Wet your fingers and pinch the loose flap of the rolled dough into the loaf, making a tight seam.

15. Grease a baking sheet and sprinkle lightly with cornmeal.

16. Place the loaf diagonally onto the baking sheet, seam side down. Dust the top with a little extra flour and cover very loosely with plastic wrap. (You don't want the rising dough to dry out or stick to the plastic wrap.)

17. Place in a warm spot and allow the loaf to stand and rise once again until it is about 2 1/2 times it's original size, about 45 minutes to 1 hour. Cuban bread is wider than French bread, so expect your loaf to spread out quite a bit as it rises.

18. Preheat oven to 450º F. Place a pan of water on the lowest rack of the oven.

19. Use a sharp knife to cut a shallow seam down the middle of the top of the bread, leaving about two inches of uncut top on each end of the loaf.

20. Brush the top of the loaf with water and place in your preheated oven on the middle shelf. After about 5 minutes of baking, brush some more water on top of the bread.

21. Bake the loaf until it is light brown and crusty -- about 12 to 18 minutes total baking time.

22. We all know that oven temperatures do vary -- so keep an eye on it!


Baking Bread is an Art
Baking bread, any kind of bread, is truly an art. Baking a perfect bakery-quality loaf of Cuban bread is the ultimate accomplishment for any home bread baker. On the surface, Cuban bread seems so simple; it consists of just five main ingredients: flour, water, yeast, lard, and salt.
The challenge, however, is putting these simple ingredients together in exactly the right way. The goal is to create a loaf with a crisp crust on the outside and an airy, lightly textured inside.
The key to baking a great loaf of Cuban bread is in knowing exactly how much flour to use to bring the dough to the perfect consistency. Too much flour, and the bread will be too dense. Too little flour, and the dough won't rise properly, resulting in a very wide, flat loaf of bread!
If you don't mind a challenge, the quest for that perfect loaf of Cuban bread can be very rewarding.
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Two_seasons
Posted on Monday, January 11, 2021 - 05:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Good to see someone that sees value in fixing things. Me too.


Speaking of sump pumps, no really!...

Jim Murray Sump Pump

Only lasted 45 years (if anybody remembers, it ran 24/7 the last several years). Said the same thing to the sales guy as Tootal did with his fridge. Had a good laugh with the guy.

After spending $16K this summer for stormwater runoff re-route, were in business!
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Zacks
Posted on Saturday, January 23, 2021 - 09:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ok, closing the loop for anyone interested.
Found that the ring gear for the planetary drive wasn't seated 'square'. Micrometer showed it wandered 3/4 mm from the face.
Brass punch and hammer took care of that.

As noted, the gearcase was missing a locating pin. This conceptually allowed the motor to be skewed in the plain bearing.
Replaced, but first loosened the motor screws to let it find home.
Bolted down the gearcase cover without the gasket to reduce clearances. Screwed down the motor. Pulled the gearcase cover, added the gasket and replaced.
Now it's quiet as it was new 15 years ago.

I'm leaving out all the crap I went thru finding parts. While they are readily available, everyone wants a model number.
15 years ago, no model number stickers - according to Kitchenaid.

So, tell my daughter it's all ready and get a 'well... we picked up another one, so hang on to that one since we already have 2 here'.

Moving on to adjusting the jointer I picked up and the reduced effort clutch kit for the 1190. The bathroom addition for my niece is on hold since her kids tested positive for Covid yesterday.
Plenty to keep me busy.
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86129squids
Posted on Sunday, January 24, 2021 - 12:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Tootal
Posted on Sunday, January 24, 2021 - 01:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ahhhh YES! Doesn't it feel good to beat the system?! Good job!
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Zacks
Posted on Sunday, January 24, 2021 - 01:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yep. Other than the 'thanks but' from my daughter.
Sounds like I'm bitter, not the case. More ironic.
This mixer was trickled down from our kitchen when the wife pulled the 'Home Improvement' excuse on me (more power).
Since this one had replaced a previous one already, I declared a moratorium on Kitchenaid mixers.
Don't get me wrong, they get used. A lot.
But the next step is a floor stand Hobart commercial unit. We're not going there.
Daughter keeps dropping hints about one to her hubby. He plugs his ears nah nah naaah.
She does bake bread for their farmers market, but...
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