| Author | Message | ||
     Wolfridgerider |
That picture just makes me happy! any suggestions on a set of bolt on gear driven cams? | ||
| Daddio |
Nice find! The '02s, IIRC, were the last E-Glide Classics to use a carb. I had an '02, mostly stock that went 70~ish thousand miles on the stock cam chain adjusters. When they were due, I swapped over to an Andrews '-21' cam (i forget the letter) and added a sportster-spec jet needle and needle jet, which have a slightly more aggressive taper. | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
TW21 looks like a good choice. Uses the stock springs and adds more TQ right where you want it. | ||
| Tootal |
I run the TW21G cams. G for gear drive. I had quite a few miles on my bike and it always seemed to vibrate more than other Harley's I've ridden. Knowing how they balance their cranks "to an average" you might or might not get a good one. I drove up to Wisconsin and dropped off the bottom end to Darkhorse Crankworks and they shipped it back balanced and welded. It had .0005" runnout. I ended up rebuilding my stock cam plate. I had to bore out the bronze bushing and make a new one, install it and then bore it to specs. I'm not saying you need to do any of this, mine had 85,000 miles or more on it at the time. Backlash is .0005" to .001" on the gears. You can buy different sized pinion gears,(crank gear), to achieve that. Ofcourse test that in at least four places in case there's tight spots. If set up right it will be silent. Most consider this cam as a joke. It's not. If in the future you'd like to enlarge the valves and port the heads this cam will pull 6000 rpm with no problem. Once broke in I stuck her in 6th and opened it up. It pulled hard all the way to 125 mph. At that point it hit a wall. I told my engine building buddy about it and he laughed and said, "yep, you ran out of cam!" Even without the head work it will make it run much better and it won't hurt reliability in the long run. | ||
| Tootal |
Great photo BTW. Speaking of bikers and kids, here's a pic of a great friend and coworker with his first granddaughter:  | ||
| Pwnzor |
Great photos! And... congratulations on the new bike! | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
Greg... I don't have the knowledge or skill to do any in depth motor mods. The last motor I did anything to was a 1983 Iron Head Sportster. I had the heads worked on a little and the jugs bored. I put it all back together, adjusted the valves and it ran pretty good... a miracle in my book! I now have a better understanding for whats at risk if it decided to grenade at any speed. | ||
| Tootal |
I assumed you were going to do the cams yourself. It will take some specialty tools like a dial indicator for setting backlash but you might be able to find someone local that can help you with that. You'll need some way of pressing the old cams out of their bearings and new ones back in. Here's a link to Pro Twin Performance in Winder Ga. They have a lot of excellent YouTube video's that might help you out. I really like Kevin Baxter and agree with most of his opinions even if he is an engineer!  Just some machinist humor! http://protwin.com/ | ||
| Ourdee |
I would listen to the engineers at work, because they set the parameters I had to repair stuff within. I always payed special attention to the machinist comments. They told me if it could really be done. Anytime a welder wanted to adjust the settings on my equipment, I let them. My machine would tell me if the welder knew anything. I could re-adjust it after he left. But I would figure out how he held his torch before I would re-adjust. After a while they would stop by to learn how to weld aluminum foil together. | ||
| Griffmeister |
Can’t the backlash be set with a gauge wire? I remember a buddy at work that converted his bike to gear drive and that’s how he did it. | ||
| Tootal |
Having gauge wire or shim at .0005" to .001 would be very difficult to work with I would imagine. If you can find that then it might work. It's nice to see it on a dial though. | ||
| Ourdee |
I had to go check my shims. Smallest I have is .0015" . That thing is thin. | ||
| Tootal |
There's the problem. Figure a hair on your head is an average of .003". .0015" is hard enough to work with. Less than that and it's so easy to tear or bend you can't really trust it. | ||
| Griffmeister |
Curiosity got the best of me and I had to find out. Turns out he was doing timing gears on an Evo engine. The kit he had came with multiple pinion gears of different sizes. He needed a 0.108 in wire to select the right pinion, I’m thinking checking root clearance rather than backlash. Oh well, apples to oranges. Of course he also mentioned that with a gear drive conversion the right side bearing should be replaced/ upgraded and the crank trued and tig welded. I’m thinking that’s not going to happen here, but might be a good idea at the beginning to check runout before proceeding. | ||
| Tootal |
The cranks in 2002 were pretty accurate on the runnout still. They say you can run the gears with .003" runnout but it's hard to set the backlash with that much runnout. Less is best! I remember setting up my 91 evo many moons ago. You're correct, he was checking pitch diameter with the pins. Putting a chain drive on them was to make them quiet according to the MoCo but I'm thinking it's a lot quicker and cheaper to slap some sprockets on there instead of having to properly set up a gearset! When the bean counters start to change design, quality usually suffers! | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
I messed around with it a little this weekend. Put the stock slip on mufflers back on and it ran great. No more popping when I shift gears. Ordered a gasket for the transmission cover and o-ring for the clutch cable. I also ordered a stock petcock. It has some aftermarket one currently installed. I'm getting old enough that I NEED readers and I sure as hell can't make out ON/OFF/RES on that little bastard. I also ordered a 2004 parts and accessories catalog off ebay... that should help me spend money I shouldn't. | ||
| Tootal |
My guess is they put a Pingel petcock on it. Does it look like this? https://www.pingelonline.com/Fuel-Valves/power-flo -single-outlet-reserve-fuel-valve.asp If it is it's a nice petcock, the trouble is some have a reserve and some don't. Reserve is in between on and off if it has one. Sounds like you were lean and the exhaust cured it. Good deal! | ||
| Two_seasons |
Feel your pain Wolfie..."I'm getting old enough that I NEED readers and I sure as hell can't make out ON/OFF/RES on that little bastard." You guys crack me up  | ||
| Screamer |
I apologize for being off topic - but I’m also sneaking in a photo of “kids on bikes”. My 3yr old son (30+ years ago), who loved riding in front (yes, we wore helmets and gear). His first Buell was an S1 - now an 1125r rider.  | ||
| Court |
Love it !! | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
What Court said! This has been a pretty good thread. Motorcycle people talking about motorcycles sprinkled with great pics of the same. | ||
| Tootal |
Well this thread started as a play by play of figuring out and fixing a transmission stuck in 6th gear. It's gotten better since then! I love old pictures so it's great to see them. Here's a really old one!  That's me on dad's Triumph Thunderbird. It's been cropped. I took out mom watching out from the door making sure I didn't fall off! | ||
| Buellish |
Wow Greg,you haven't changed at all! Still hangin' on to the handlebars with that silly grin on your face! | ||
| Tootal |
 Well duh! | ||
| Ourdee |
That is my favorite pic of Greg. | ||
| Griffmeister |
Internet username in 1962, “Toolitle” | ||
| Tootal |
 I've come a looooong way baby! I still know where that throttle thing is, I just don't twist it as far as I used to!  | ||
| Tootal |
Well it made it into the 70's yesterday. My old friend and I took a ride together for the first time in a long time. He and I have ridden together many times in the past with one trip all the way to Newfoundland. Some crazy stories came out of that trip. We used to joke that when I retired we would take another long trip. He just laughed and said, "by the time you retire, I'll be dead!" Well he's 77 now and we rode together so the jokes on him! It felt really good to get out on a beautiful day! | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
spent most of the day replacing 1 stinkin' O Ring. The amount of work it takes to just get the clutch cable removed is a bit of a pain in the ass. But I got to spend the day with a good friend and messing with a motorcycle. All in all... it was a fun day. He had all the original chrome exhaust covers so we put those on as well. There is a Walnecks Swap meet coming up in Springfield, OH January 3rd. I hope I can pick up some stock floor boards and a brake pedal. I'm on the hunt for a few other chrome bits, a low profile seat and detachable hardware for the tourpack.   | ||
| Tootal |
Lookin good Mark! What kind of shape was the old o-ring? You're right though, it's a pain to change! |
