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Ratbuell
Posted on Wednesday, October 28, 2020 - 12:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So, the (asphalt) singles on my house are just starting to curl. Not finding any in the yard - yet - but it's about time for me to start shopping for roofing.

Stone colonial, very traditional look. I like both slate, and standing-seam metal. I grew up in a house with slate, and we never had a single issue - anyone have any thoughts or input on those materials? Longevity? Cost averages?

I figure I better get all this stuff figured out, BEFORE things start to leak!
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Hootowl
Posted on Wednesday, October 28, 2020 - 12:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Slate lasts a long time, but is expensive and heavy.

If i lived in a place that gets snow, as you do, a standing seam metal roof would sure be appealing. Expensive, but lasts forever. A nice 30 year architectural shingle is what I would choose, with a membrane over the eaves to prevent damage from ice dams.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Wednesday, October 28, 2020 - 12:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

30 years, I'd have to deal with it again.

I hate doing roofing. Whether I'm climbing and swinging a hammer or not, it's all a pain in the ass. I'd just assume get it done one time and be finished. Forever.

And, my house would look awesome with a standing seam metal on it. Super-traditional farmhouse look, very popular in my area. It would also discourage my (increasingly-old) ass from climbing up on the roof to do dumb stuff...

Great point on the weight of slate. Hadn't considered that, and with the open truss design my house has, probably not a good idea.
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Hootowl
Posted on Wednesday, October 28, 2020 - 12:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Like I said, metal roofs sure are appealing. Snow slides off, no ice dams. If you can stomach the upfront cost, go for it : ) Might even be worth having it done. You need some special tools and knowledge.
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Hootowl
Posted on Wednesday, October 28, 2020 - 12:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

There are artificial slate roofing materials out there that are light weight, if you really want that look.
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Hootowl
Posted on Wednesday, October 28, 2020 - 12:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

They also stand up to hail, unlike slate. Not sure whether hail is an issue in MD.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Wednesday, October 28, 2020 - 12:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hail? Very rarely.

Cost-wise...this is the right time for me, since I sold a house last summer and actually have the money in the bank right now.

It'll be a hire-out, absolutely. I know my limits. Shed? I'll do a roof. House? Nope. Too much at stake. And I did find a company in the Annapolis area who has a mobile metal-shaping machine they bring on-site, to custom bend per a project's specific needs and sizes.

I'm sure *that's* cheap...lol...
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Fireboltwillie
Posted on Wednesday, October 28, 2020 - 01:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

slate is heavy enough that you should check with an engineer to verify that the roof framing can handle it. a slate tile is about 4 times heavier per unit than asphalt.
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Two_seasons
Posted on Wednesday, October 28, 2020 - 02:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://eriemetalroofs.com
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Ratbuell
Posted on Wednesday, October 28, 2020 - 02:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Those are pretty cool looking.

I just love the traditional look of standing-seam...not the new, corrugated-metal / pole building style, but the total-flat metal with a single standing seam every 18" or so. The local company I found, had *copper* standing seam. S-E-X-Y. I'm sure *that's* not cheap...but damn, it looks good. And if it greens with age? Wow. I'd love that.
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Glitch
Posted on Wednesday, October 28, 2020 - 07:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Dan's got a really nice roof on his cabin.
Its metal, but I don't know anything more than it does come in different colors.
I can ask him for info if you'd like.
It wasn't a budget buster but it wasn't/isn't cheap.


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Griffmeister
Posted on Wednesday, October 28, 2020 - 08:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Slate lasts forever, expensive to install and heavy. One other consideration, in case of damage from an extreme event, requires an expert to repair and is also very expensive. A local private school had many traditional brick buildings with slate roofs, one of the dorms got hit by a lightning strike on said slate roof and caused a lot of damage. This was in spite of the usual protective measures in place. Just keep in mind, nature can always surprise.

Metal roofs, can they be noisy in rain or sleet? I think I heard someone say that they had an insulating layer underneath to keep things quiet.

As far as asphalt shingles, I know that GAF will warranty their architectural shingles for 50 years on a single family home if they are installed according to their specifications. Many well established roofing companies use their products and will honor this warranty. Still need to shop around as pricing seems to be all over the place even amongst approved contractors.

And you thought it was going to be easy.
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Daddio
Posted on Friday, October 30, 2020 - 10:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Up here in the Black Hills, we average 200" of snow per year, and get more that out fair share of hail, too. About 8 years ago, we were in the same place as Ratbuell, curling asphalt shingles, and winter coming on. My contractor installed a heavy gauge (29 ga?) steel roof, with 1.5" foil-face EPS between 2x4s on the flat sides, run laterally across, for extra insulation and sound control. A couple of years ago, we had peach-sized hail, and as long as a standing seam doesn't take a direct hit (none of mine did) one can barely see the few dents. FYI, that hailstorm punched through, or at least damaged every single flat roof in the area, as well as damaged most every asphalt shingled roof. A little more upfront cost, but well worth it in my situation...
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Daddio
Posted on Friday, October 30, 2020 - 10:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

..."our" fair share...
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Greg_e
Posted on Friday, October 30, 2020 - 11:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Metal goes on FAST, so there might be a labor savings there.
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Aesquire
Posted on Friday, October 30, 2020 - 12:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Not really. ( metal faster...)

Had a new roof installed this week. One day, tear off, 25 sheets of OSB, GAF Timberline HDZ attitudinal ; ) double nailed, & new roof vents. Metal might be slightly quicker, but it's the difference between lunch breaks. My house is a dead simple ranch. No valleys or angles. A complex roof may take longer with metal.

To be clear, I'm talking standing seam metal, not shingle styled, which is much more. ( stone coated steel pimped on the radio is shingle styled )

No one tried to sell me extra insulation for under a metal roof. Pity, that might have gone far to upsell me by the 70-80% higher cost.

There's more than up front cost to consider. Overhanging trees, shade that promotes moss, local climate, etc.

Looks are both an individual taste issue and how much you want to blend in with the neighborhood. I went with higher resale value for the local context which is blend in. That it saved me $7000 was a consideration.

I cannot stress enough. Read the bid with an eye to detail. Make sure you get what you asked for and was promised. If insulation isn't on paper, it won't be on your house. The salesman may mention wonders and miracles, but if it's not on the contract...

Example! One bid stated 5 sheets of OSB included & extras @ $50 sheet. Another none included @ $55. It adds up.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Friday, October 30, 2020 - 12:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yeah, I had a roof put on my rental duplex when I bought it back in '12. I know what to look for, and how to make sure there's enough coverage in the contract to cover for possibilities.

I like the sound of rain on a tin roof, so unless a metal roof insulates (temperature) LESS than the asphalt shingle I have on it now...I'll likely forego that. Depends what they say...if I ever hear back from anyone, that is!
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Aesquire
Posted on Friday, October 30, 2020 - 12:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Eire metal roofs!

AVOID!

I understand that you can get ok work, but they do high pressure sales and are typically DOUBLE THE PRICE!

Their bullshut includes "you need to sign a nondisclosure agreement so your neighbors don't find out how little you paid" & "the offer is only good until I drive off" & "I'll have to go off to my truck and talk my boss into the awesome deal & he won't be happy" ...

If you recognize any of that from crooked used cars sales and politicians ( often followed by failing transmissions and purges ) then you get the idea.

It's a huge national corporation that doesn't treat it's minions much better than it's customers. As close to the edge of prosecution and outright fraud as they can take it.

Thus calling them crooks might open me to lawsuit. The f$%&s.
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Two_seasons
Posted on Friday, October 30, 2020 - 01:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i have no history with eriemetalroofs.com

They are advertising locally here...look good, but as stated, read the fine print.

We recently had a 3-day Blinds bid for drapes...approx. $7500 for three windows...i actually went to credit union and got the cashiers check and on the drive back said to myself what am I thinking. Got home, called salesman, went back to CU and re-deposited my money!

All depends on the fine print...agree 100%

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Hootowl
Posted on Friday, October 30, 2020 - 03:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"One bid stated 5 sheets of OSB included & extras @ $50 sheet"

OSB was $7 a sheet just two years ago here in Houston. I just paid $25 a few days ago WTF? It's essentially scrap glued together!
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Aesquire
Posted on Friday, October 30, 2020 - 04:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Today, it's about $25 & up here, depending, so they double the price. I knew that up front, every roofer makes a bit of profit on lumber. I want them to still be in business years from now when I may need to make a warranty claim.

Hurricane season, and Election Resistance Liberation has run down the national supply.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Friday, October 30, 2020 - 05:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yeah, I'd say a combination of supply-side (COVID restrictions on production), and demand-side (riots, boarding up businesses, and hurricane season) conspire to make ply-board of any type, rare.

Which reminds me...I should stop and get TP on the way home, to prep for the coming shortages...
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Griffmeister
Posted on Saturday, October 31, 2020 - 12:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

OSB doesn’t install itself, maybe $55 includes labor? Yeah, on any kind of roof there’s probably going to be a big range in prices. Got a quote on my roof for $24,000. Had it done for under $10k with same materials (my own spec to match other quote).
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Ratbuell
Posted on Saturday, October 31, 2020 - 02:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yeah, when I had my duplex done it was a guy that a coworker knew, who ran a roofing biz. "Cash quote". $6k, 50 year shingles, single peak roof with a front porch, back porch, and side entry. Scraped 3 layers off, cleaned the entire yard (never did find a single scrap), replaced OSB as needed, even installed an attic fan for me while he was up there. I supplied the fan, said "that side"...and he installed it as they went.

Paid him in $100 bills.

We both made out on that deal.

I strongly doubt I'll get such a deal on my house though...especially if I do the garage at the same time.

House on the top of the photo.

Garage on the bottom.

The white square to the right is my old '92 Jeep Cherokee, and the box at the bottom of the photo is my 27' car hauler trailer (for size perspective) - it's a LOT of roof!



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