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Aesquire
Posted on Wednesday, October 07, 2020 - 05:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/byron-y orks-daily-memo-remember-the-riots-pt-2
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Chauly
Posted on Wednesday, October 07, 2020 - 11:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

How does one poison an idealogy?
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Aesquire
Posted on Wednesday, October 07, 2020 - 06:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

A good example is the Catholic Church. Liberation Theology.
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Aesquire
Posted on Sunday, October 11, 2020 - 08:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/09/a-riot-in-the -suburbs-inside-the-changing-face-of-wisconsin-202 0/
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Blake
Posted on Monday, October 12, 2020 - 04:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

At a Patriot vs Antifa scene in Denver:

When you carry a gun and walk into a fight that you could easily avoid, REALLY bad idea. Progressives ought be banned from owning guns.

https://nypost.com/2020/10/11/photos-capture-shock ing-moment-man-is-shot-dead-amid-denver-protests/
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Pwnzor
Posted on Monday, October 12, 2020 - 06:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Progressives ought be banned from owning guns.

That's a slippery slope.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Monday, October 12, 2020 - 08:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I thought the same thing when I first read it.

I understand the knee-jerk reaction, but...that could get us ALL in trouble.

Red Flag - he's a progressive, take his guns. He's a danger to himself and others.

Red Flag - he's a conservative, take his guns. He's a danger to himself and others.

Red Flag - he refuses to worship at the altar of The Squad, take his guns. He's a danger to himself, others, and to our vision of a new, Socialist Amerika.
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Chauly
Posted on Monday, October 12, 2020 - 09:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Knee-jerk reactions aside, would this be an opportunity to take the moral high ground, and stand on the position of self-defence? Granted, there was a disparate use of force, but had the roles been reversed and one of "us" had been maced, might many of us also reply with an escalation?
Just posit'ing...
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Ratbuell
Posted on Monday, October 12, 2020 - 10:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I would want to know, what started the conflict in the first place?

A "war of words", or a conflict in beliefs, should not have escalated in this manner in my mind. Granted, I was not there...but to go from 10' apart, to mace and gunfire? Something's going on that we aren't privy to just yet.

Unfortunately though...I think we're going to see more and more of this with the combative, insulting attitudes in general these days. Rational discourse is a thing of the past, it seems.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Monday, October 12, 2020 - 05:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Even people who are 100% in the right when defending themselves using deadly force...

...wait for it...

...have their guns confiscated and are often taken into custody. For questioning. Normal part of the process.

That is a F-D up process. Nobody wants to be a part of the process. Not you, me, or the officers involved...

But especially not you.

If you even let somebody see that you have a gun, you better be the first one to call 911. In that way, you can at least put the beginning of the narrative in your control.

In my humble opinion, the best thing to do is to get the hell out of wherever you are - or whatever situation you're in - the one that makes you even THINK about taking out a gun.

It really and truly needs to be a last line of defense, and never an offense.

Run the hell away. Look like a pussy, who cares? Your life will be so, so, so, soooo much easier.
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Tpehak
Posted on Monday, October 12, 2020 - 06:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you have a gun, use it. If you will run away the criminals will act just worst. Running away you allow them to treat you harder. It is not about how you look like.

(Message edited by TPEHAK on October 12, 2020)
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Zane
Posted on Monday, October 12, 2020 - 07:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've said it many more times than once.
On the street my gun is for when the bad guy won't let me run away.

Now in my house is a whole different thing. The bad guy comes into my house uninvited and I'll harvest him like a November deer.
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Hootowl
Posted on Monday, October 12, 2020 - 08:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

“If you even let somebody see that you have a gun, you better be the first one to call 911”

Fact. If you call, you’re the good guy. If the other guy calls, you’re the man with a gun the cops are responding to. My firearm safety course instructor told me that, and the folks at Texas Law Shield confirmed it.
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Tpehak
Posted on Monday, October 12, 2020 - 08:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You can hide your gun under the sleeves. You can even shoot from hidden under the sleeve gun without exposing it.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Monday, October 12, 2020 - 08:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Are you seriously that stupid?

Have you ever held a gun, much less fired one?

Why do you keep posting here...go take your meds and find someone else to bother.
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Tpehak
Posted on Monday, October 12, 2020 - 11:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Aesquire
Posted on Tuesday, October 13, 2020 - 01:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Categorically disagree with ignorant criminally stupid defense opinion of fool.

Advice sure to get you deserved prison time. (1)

Oh, I'm all for disproportionate response. In foreign policy. Jacksonian attitude!

And in personal defense matters, disproportionate in proper context. You kick my shin, I'm not justified by any sane standard to stab you with a knife. You're in a mob that knocked me down and are kicking me to death? Different story.

Responsible Citizens and Adults don't use deadly force except to protect life. There's a grey area in robbery, and the laws vary quite a bit. In general, unless you're actually involved in a robbery, you shouldn't assume force is justified. Guy running in a hoodie? Fitness idiot or looter? Are you sure? Neighbor's kid? Mistakes are permanent and tragic.


(1) Translation: "really stupid and evidence that could be used to convict you of premeditated murder."
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Aesquire
Posted on Tuesday, October 13, 2020 - 04:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/jim-treacher /2020/10/12/trump-supporter-shot-dead-in-denver-me dia-tiptoes-around-it-n1038934
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Ducbsa
Posted on Tuesday, October 13, 2020 - 06:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"It almost makes one wonder if the "security guard" who sure as heck wasn't doing security for the reporters the way normal security guards do, was actually some kind of protection-racket goon."

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/10/about _that_socalled_security_guard_who_gunned_down_a_tr ump_supporter_in_denver.html
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Pwnzor
Posted on Tuesday, October 13, 2020 - 07:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you have a gun, use it. If you will run away the criminals will act just worst.

That's completely retarded. Why not just go stand outside the prison and ask to be let in? Tell them you want protective custody while you're at it... see where that gets you. Hint: It's not what it sounds like.

The bad guy comes into my house uninvited and I'll harvest him like a November deer.

Better make sure nobody sees him enter your house or ever know that he was in there. You'll need to cut him up in small pieces and deposit them in various storm drains. And, make sure that zero blood gets anywhere. At the worst, you'll be criminally prosecuted after the DA considers all the evidence (most of which is not provided by you), and at the very least you'll be subject to a civil suit in which the evidence is completely useless. Civil court is 100% he-said, she-said...

You can hide your gun under the sleeves. You can even shoot from hidden under the sleeve gun without exposing it.

Yeah... because the sound of a gun going off and the resulting wounds (if you're lucky enough to hit your target) aren't a dead giveaway or anything.

You kick my shin, I'm not justified by any sane standard to stab you with a knife. You're in a mob that knocked me down and are kicking me to death? Different story.

LOOK what's happening to Kyle Rittenhouse.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Tuesday, October 13, 2020 - 08:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Agree to all the above comments.

When you carry - legally - you are aware of all the legal ramifications of even SHOWING your firearm in public, much less under duress (otherwise known as "brandishing", which is a crime in and of itself). Nevermind the ramifications of FIRING your weapon.

As for shooting inside your sleeve? Hope you like skin grafts. Two words -

Muzzle.
Flash.

Your skin will be roasted. Your clothes will be roasted and shredded. And, roasted clothing will become part of a new, exciting compound called "clothing-skin" as parts of melted cloth embed themselves in your melted flesh.

Go ahead. Try it. Make sure you put it on youtube so we can all see how it goes for you.

Also keep in mind the reason people wear ear muffs on the firing range. Guns are LOUD.

Wait.

Let me say that again.

Guns are LOUD.

This isn't TV. Fire a handgun without hearing protection, just once. And again - make sure you put it on youtube so we can all see how it goes for you. I fired my handgun once without hearing protection (outdoors) because I wanted/needed to know what effect the noise would have on me and my followup shots, if I ever had to use it in a defensive scenario. I ran a whole mag (8 shots) through it, and my ears rang for the better part of a day afterwards. I knew when it was going to go "bang" and it was still surprising, disorienting, and more than a little distracting.

You WILL be noticed, if you fire a gun of any kind.

Period.

As far as I'm concerned, Rittenhouse was absolutely, 1000%, in the right. He fired in self defense while in fear for his own life, and the statements by those he shot (the survivor, anyway) prove intent to kill him had he not defended himself. He is being shafted by the system.

THIS is the risk you take by firing a weapon at someone. Right, wrong, or otherwise, you WILL be arrested and you WILL go to court.

Firing a weapon is, absolutely, without a doubt...a last resort. No exceptions. Bravado where this is concerned is a bunch of bullshit, and it's a great way to get yourself killed.
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Tpehak
Posted on Tuesday, October 13, 2020 - 09:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

At least he is alive and not injured. If he would not shoot them he would be dead or injured.

If you are going to shoot from under your sleeve you have to protect your skin and sleeve with layer of fiber glass and insulation to prevent burning and melting. If you wear leather jacket you will not need to protect leather sleeve, just insulate skin on your hand.

(Message edited by TPEHAK on October 13, 2020)
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Aesquire
Posted on Tuesday, October 13, 2020 - 10:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Not just killed. The statement now permanently available to the police is evidence of premeditation.

( if it had been on Facebook they would have a file on Tpehak automatically created by algorithm for review by a leftist monitor in the company. As it is, Blake has no connection to the private companies that store comments on social media sites. That just means he doesn't get feedback on how they rate your comments automatically. But it's rated & saved anyway. Public. )

Any competent and responsible martial arts teacher will discuss the moral and legal issues with self defense. There's no universal format for that. In my case it was a warning that the skills come with responsibility and that the teacher was obligated to testify at the trial, and that the trial might be posthumous as the teacher was inclined to defend society against murderous idiots. ( so don't be one )

I admit my Sifu was a very responsible veteran and mentor.

My own teaching includes a lecture on responsibility and the fragility of life.

Full contact fighting techniques and weapons with armor, is lethal to unarmored civilians. Sure, it's just "a stick" & not naked steel. We simulate swordplay. Other organizations use blunt blades. But a "killing blow" ( by tournament rules ) with a rattan stick to a steel helmet with padding can be fatal against someone with less protective gear. If delivered with serious intent at tournament vs. light sparring power levels? It can be lethal even if you don't hit the head. ( I replace pells regularly, 4x4 wrapped in carpet! )

I'll spare you anecdotal bluster. I'm not going anywhere near a riot. So terms like "swath" and "carnage" won't be used.

I was in a work space for decades where the sense of humor approaches Black Rifle Coffee ads. Lots of veterans. See https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WXsrH3cuDMA

But even rough humor joking we didn't advise shooting anyone.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Tuesday, October 13, 2020 - 10:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you wear leather jacket you will not need to protect leather sleeve, just insulate skin on your hand.


Try it. Put it on youtube, I can't wait to see the results.

Firing a gun is an EXPLOSION. A leather jacket isn't going to contain it. Nor will fiberglass and insulation protect your arm. It will become PART OF your arm.

Go back to physics class. Stay awake this time.
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Crusty
Posted on Tuesday, October 13, 2020 - 11:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You folks do know that if you feed a troll, they won't go away; right?
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Ratbuell
Posted on Tuesday, October 13, 2020 - 11:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It isn't going away anyway...and admins don't seem to want to ban it, either.
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Tpehak
Posted on Tuesday, October 13, 2020 - 12:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Firing a gun is an explosion but is it managed and directed explosion. You do not fire directly to you hand, you fire it along the protected hand.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Tuesday, October 13, 2020 - 01:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Again - please, try it. Make sure you youtube it so we can all see the results.
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Tuesday, October 13, 2020 - 01:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Tpehak
Posted on Tuesday, October 13, 2020 - 02:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just don't use revolver.
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