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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2020 - 04:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hogs:

You're still asking me to trust the guy who was out partying with Dominion folks on election night? It's all in the weeds to me.

Answer me one simple question, just this one question:

Why were GOP/Trump poll watchers prevented from scrutinizing and challenging the chain of custody and processing of mail-in ballots in the canvasing centers of major Democrat stronghold counties in battleground states?


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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2020 - 04:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hogs,

As to the CISA list of rumor controls:

1) "Reality: Robust safeguards including canvassing and auditing procedures help ensure the accuracy of official election results."

Those procedures were NOT followed. That is primary among the testimony of a host of eyewitnesses who've signed sworn affidavits. Machines were connected to the internet. Chains of custody were non-existent. Election system hardware protocols were constantly violated. USB cards commingled and connected to machines with ZERO security or chain of custody protocols. 60 USB election cards no unaccounted for in Delaware county, PA. It is OFF THE CHARTS corrupt and incompetent.
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2020 - 04:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

(cont,)

2) "Reality: Voter registration list maintenance and other election integrity measures protect against voting illegally on behalf of deceased individuals."

The voter registration lists of some states are horribly maintained and include tens of thousands of deceased and non-residents. Sworn testimony from one rare case of a water being able to see verification of ballot envelope signatures, says that signatures were not verified, and in other cases that signatures were observed to look like chicken scratch with no resemblance at all to signatures on state record, but those ballots were accepted anyway.

Other witnesses testify to seeing poll workers filling out voter information, adding names to the voter registration list.

Solution: Audit the envelopes.
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2020 - 04:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

(cont.)

3) "Reality: In some circumstances, elections officials are permitted to “duplicate” or otherwise further mark cast ballots to ensure they can be properly counted."

That process is required to be subject to scrutiny of certified watchers In many cases it was not, or was made essentially impossible (one watcher to 50-100 poll workers doing duplication). In other cases poll workers were observed to changing the vote from Biden to Trump. When objected to, the GOP poll watcher was set upon by agitators, bullies, and thugs, even threatened with violence. This is in sworn testimony on affidavits.
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2020 - 05:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The problems with counting center consolidation, drop boxes, security, chains of custody, mail-in ballot deliver, Good information and testimony from a USPS contract trucker who saw and experienced major issues concerning ballot deliveries:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5lbzTSoQ90

That video cuts out intermittently from 6:28 through 15:27.

The following version plays without cutting out, but has an annoying buzz throughout. Watch the first 6:28 on the above to avoid the bus, then go to

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=av-yC4mR5xo&t=6m20 s

Then at 15:30 or so, go to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5lbzTSoQ90&t=15:2 7 for a buzz-free audio.
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Steveford
Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2020 - 07:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Christ, even Billy Barr said to throw in the towel.
Face facts, Dump lost and it's like Michael Cohen said, this nonsense with the donations to do recounts goes into Dump's pockets. Read the fine print.
This Stop The Steal garbage was hatched way back in 2017.
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Two_seasons
Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2020 - 08:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Steveford
First, don't use the Lord's name in vain
Second, you are not being honest if you believe this election wasn't frauded to the max.
Even Biden said something to the effect"we've got the largest fraudulent elections that have ever been set up"
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Aesquire
Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2020 - 08:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So, as the Democrats were claiming that the Russians influenced the election, and a multi year multi million dollar investigation showed that, yes, Russia did pay for Facebook ads attacking both Trump and Clinton, and there was Zero evidence of "collusion", THAT was necessary?

Yes, sure. Gotta know the President isn't saying "this can be solved, but it’s important for him to give me space" to a Russian Putin Minion asking for time to commit treason after the election.

Gotta be sure the President isn't a tool of China after they gave his son's company 1.6 billion in "investment", right? I'd think an investigation wise, eh?

And today, with multiple cases of obvious, witnessed, and blatant election fraud, there's No Need to look behind the curtain?

The steal the vote thing started LONG before 2017. Trump may have jumped on the trailer after he'd been in office a year, since Hillary was still insisting she won, and by then it was well documented that her minions had cheated the voters, but just not hard enough.

I'm not insisting Trump won. I am insisting the Democrats cheated. That's not even in question. They did.

The only question left is how can you have any trust that in 2024 some rich Republican that owns the voting machines ( as was complained about in 2016, remember? ) won't make a coded text to an underling ( something like "Did you get the family turkey, yet?" that can't be shown in court as an order ) to push the key that "elects" Jeb Bush President, even if the majority voted for Harris?

Sure, I think the majority of vote fraud is by Democrats, but I could be wrong. I know it is a crime politicians of both Parties commits. ( since a R pol was busted very recently )

If "they" get away with it today, a different "they" will get away with it tomorrow. If the crimes aren't exposed, and the system fixed, there is no social contract to our Republic.
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H0gwash
Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2020 - 08:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hello Blake- you already asked me this on 11/23, and I answered on the same day. I wrote, "Pollwatchers of all types are an essential part of the election process and should be accommodated. If the GOP is suing the system and demanding restitution, they need to provide proof they GOP pollwatchers were discriminated against. The defendants no doubt showed extensive logs showing the maximum number of GOP pollwatchers were already in the building at all times. Trump was unable to show that the excluded GOP pollwatchers were being treated any differently from all the other excluded pollwatchers all around them. Trump will probably appeal so maybe we'll hear better evidence next time."

So far the courts are still waiting for evidence.
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Hootowl
Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2020 - 09:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

“ The defendants no doubt showed extensive logs showing the maximum number of GOP pollwatchers were already in the building at all times”

I watched sworn testimony today of a person claiming Republican poll watchers were logged in and not out, the effect of which was to artificially limit the number of watchers in the building. When they say the maximum number of watchers were in the building, they are lying.
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2020 - 11:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hogs,

You are not answering the question.

GOP poll watchers were prevented from scrutinizing or challenging ballot processing and chain of custody of mail-in ballots. That is fact.

If you're equating being in the same building or room to being able to scrutinize ballot processing, that isn't being honest or rational. The watchers were corralled much too far away to monitor a room full of ballot processing, or were hounded and badgered, or locked out after leaving for lunch or what have you. Others were blocked from even entering some ballot processing rooms. It's off the charts corrupt. Watch the eyewitness testimony itself. The "news" is not reporting it at all.

You can read sworn affidavits and watch actual testimony at recent hearings with PA, AZ, and MI legislature members. The Democrat behavior was appalling, bullying thugs.

(Message edited by blake on December 01, 2020)
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2020 - 11:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hogs:

Michigan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTvFMTdDZCA

(Message edited by blake on December 02, 2020)
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2020 - 11:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hogs:

Pennsylvania: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rjPTWK8-xs

(Message edited by blake on December 02, 2020)
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2020 - 11:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hogs:

Pennsylvania: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zPyydlcVTU

(Message edited by blake on December 02, 2020)
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2020 - 11:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hogs:

Michigan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gf_Dr2NzmmA

(Message edited by blake on December 02, 2020)
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2020 - 11:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hogs:

Delaware county, PA:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgG53TRhvXQ
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, December 02, 2020 - 12:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hogs:

TCF in Detroit, Michigan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jL8XTm32SWA
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, December 02, 2020 - 12:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hogs:

As I noted last time you didn't answer, the standard for watchers is that they must be allowed to scrutinize the ballots and their processing. They must be able to inspect and challenge the validity of the voter for mail-in ballots just like for election day voting.

The standard is not that poll watchers so long as they are all treated the same may be prevented from scrutinizing ballots and their processing. That's silly and you know it.

And the GOP watchers were not treated the same. They were bullied and antagonized and prevented from doing their jobs, then driven out of the facility. See above.
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, December 02, 2020 - 01:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Democrats are just back to their same old thug tactics they used in the South when they were intent to prevent blacks from voting.
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, December 02, 2020 - 01:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Steve Ford,

Watch out for the fake news.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/doj-not-done-investi gating-election-fraud-spokesperson-says_3601350.ht ml
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H0gwash
Posted on Wednesday, December 02, 2020 - 10:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Plenty of ballots got scrutinized and challenged by poll watchers for everything imaginable. Everyone says they were bullied and antagonized and frustrated. While these are valid complaints, they don't seem to rise to the level of fraudulent intent or conspiracy and so likely had minimal net effect on Trump and Biden. Numerous manual recounts have confirmed this. If anyone can show they rose to the level of conspiracy, the evidence should be brought to court. But currently, even the AG Barr doesn't see any evidence of fraud in the election.
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Aesquire
Posted on Wednesday, December 02, 2020 - 11:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/12/is_bi ll_barr_a_bad_guy_or_helpfully_spreading_disinform ation.html

But there hasn't been an investigation by his ( Barr's ) department. So how would he know?

I'm not as optimistic as Blake. I'm certain that there was fraud. No doubt in anyone's mind, except idiots. Oh, the Propagandists are lying that there's no evidence, but they know there always is.

Normally, with a few exceptions over the last few Centuries, there isn't enough fraud in a Presidential election to change the results. In local elections, yes, it does happen. Al Franken is a recent example, his margin of victory was less than the known votes of ineligible felons. But it's seldom that obvious.

Taking the 2016 Hillary loss, where it's Probable that her "popular vote win" was mostly illegal immigrants, illegally voting in CA, as a prime example, the fraud didn't change the result.

Yes, some pundits today are pushing the story that the Dominion servers were programmed to not be obvious, in 2016, so she didn't win. And in 2020, in the early hours after "counting was paused" the Evil Overlords told their server running minions "screw subtle! Trump is winning! Push the button! The media will cover for us!".

And viola! The media is all in on denying there ever could have been any wrong ever done by the Holy Swamp!

Otoh, that's as predictable as winter coming, or fire is warm, so if I was trying to push a lie, I'd certainly put that in to give it credibility.

And that's the problem, basically. If you say anything that isn't Media Agenda Approved, especially anything pro-Trump, they will deny, lie, and attack. And, of, course, refuse to report anything that might be favorable to the Enemy. Peace treaties with Arabs and Israelis? No new wars? Troops pulled out of useless death trap hell holes with no hope of doing good? ( Afghanistan & Syria ) Those facts Must Be Suppressed!

If Trump cured cancer the headlines would be "Trump hates Doctors and wants them to starve!".

So if CNN & MSNBC &... Insist there's no possible way the election was stolen, that practically proves it might have been.

And "fraud, but not enough to change the results" doesn't apply here. We're up to far more than needed, and oh! Look! The results changed!
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Hootowl
Posted on Wednesday, December 02, 2020 - 11:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Numerous manual recounts have confirmed this"

Recounting fraudulent ballots that have already been removed from their envelopes is useless.

"even the AG Barr doesn't see any evidence of fraud in the election"

Because the FBI has not conducted a single interview of any of the people with first hand knowledge of the fraud that was committed. The rest of the story is that Barr has directed that those allegations be investigated. I know that you know that, it was posted recently in this thread.
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Hughlysses
Posted on Wednesday, December 02, 2020 - 01:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

DOJ stated yesterday afternoon that they had NOT concluded there was no fraud. As usual the MSM was wrong.
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Hughlysses
Posted on Wednesday, December 02, 2020 - 01:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Correction of fake news regarding DOJ finding no fraud:


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Blake
Posted on Thursday, December 03, 2020 - 12:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

H0gwash:

You're being lied to bro. For days, zero mail-in ballots in Philadelphia were allowed to be scrutinized or challenged by GOP poll watchers, as they (the poll watchers) were corralled and unable to even discern anything on the ballots.

You can recount fraudulent ballots, but the result doesn't change. Mail-in ballots must first be verified before even looking at the ballot. If the signature, name, and address on the outer envelope don't match with voter registration records, they get rejected. It's intended to mirror the procedure when you go to the poll in person and are asked to provide ID and verify your current address.

GOP watchers were consistently prevented from observing that verification for mail-in ballots.

So Trump is asking for audits of the envelopes. Democrats are refusing. They are refusing for a reason. It is for the same reason they prevented GOP watchers from scrutinizing the verification of mail-in envelops and the ballots as well.

And those recounts you heard about? Were they hand recounts witnessed by GOP watchers, or were they by machine? Cause... https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2020/12/01/287829- n287829


The legacy fake "news" is wholesale covering up this entire fraud. I've never seen anything like it. New media is reporting on it, some better than others:
www.theepochtimes.com is exceptional.

www.NewsMax.com,

www.breitbart.com,

www.oann.com,

www.americanthinker.com,

www.townhall.com,

www.redstate.com,

and NDT on youtube. There are some other cable/Pluto TV channels that I'm not recalling.
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Blake
Posted on Thursday, December 03, 2020 - 12:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It cracks me up that people are demanding "EVIDENCE" that proves conspiracy and fraud. It's been under a month and evidence is just now really coming to light. How long did the Mueller investigation take? The DOJ criminal investigations take forever.

But cases about unconstitutional actions are moving forward. The DOJ doesn't go after those cases. Those are civil cases, and civil cases only require a preponderance of evidence to succeed.

Consider this case:

https://www.cruz.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=54 82
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Blake
Posted on Thursday, December 03, 2020 - 01:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So Georgia is doing a hand recount, right? So then why are they finding votes on USB drives and having issues with servers??? That ain't "hand recounting!"

Verify all the envelopes of mail-in ballots, and hand-recount the actual paper ballots!!!

Why not?
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Blake
Posted on Thursday, December 03, 2020 - 01:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hundreds of thousands of PA ballots coming en mass from NY city (Bethpage, NY)? Wha?

https://www.theepochtimes.com/up-to-280000-ballots -disappeared-after-being-transported-from-ny-to-pe nnsylvania-amistad-project-director_3600718.html
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Blake
Posted on Thursday, December 03, 2020 - 01:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

How Leftist thugs work, same party that used to beat blacks to keep them from getting a fair and honest election.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/sidney-powell-allege s-witnesses-threatened-and-beaten_3600524.html


quote:

Attorney Sidney Powell told Fox news host Sean Hannity Monday night that witnesses to election fraud have been threatened, and in one case, beaten up and is in hospital.

“They’re gonna lose their job. Their lives have been threatened. One witness we know of got beaten up and is in the hospital. There have been all kinds of repercussions against people who have come forward to tell the truth,” Powell said.


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Blake
Posted on Thursday, December 03, 2020 - 01:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Another new complaint/appeal. The math is stark and obvious. The 2020 absentee ballot rejection rate of 0.34% is less than 1/10th that of 2018 ballot rejection rate which was 3.46%. This is likely due to greatly relaxed machine signature matching and suspect manual review.

https://cdn.donaldjtrump.com/public-files/press_as sets/11-30-2020-letter-to-the-hon.-brad-raffensper ger-re-fifth-request-for-signature-matching-audit_ 1.pdf

(Message edited by blake on December 03, 2020)
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