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Willmrx
Posted on Friday, May 29, 2020 - 10:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

WTF! We have been balls deep into a pandemic, and than the other morning, I wake up, and now we are balls deep into a race war? I really would appreciate a day or two break, in between these manufactured events.
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Zane
Posted on Friday, May 29, 2020 - 10:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

NO JUSTICE, NO PEACE!

(and I need a new TV)
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Rick_a
Posted on Friday, May 29, 2020 - 11:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm both fascinated and appalled at the current concoction of rioting inner city masses and their liberal enablers virtue signaling from on high. They're both disgusting and appalling in their own way.

I wrote something like that on my Facebook page.

I've been blocked by a few "tolerant liberals" lashing out against me in anger over some basic truths and simple logic. Oh well. Sorry to rain on your superiority complex. I'm not buying what you have to sell.
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Hootowl
Posted on Friday, May 29, 2020 - 11:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The mayor could stop this trained behavior, but has not. Their angst is misplaced.

https://www.stltoday.com/news/national/the-knee-to -neck-move-used-to-restrain-george-floyd-isnt-enco uraged-by-most-police/article_10b14ba4-03e3-5999-a 28e-0dd785a6af4c.html

“I was trained to do this” will be his defense.
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Zane
Posted on Friday, May 29, 2020 - 11:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Anyone think this will matter in the least?

Asphyxiation not the cause of George Floyd's death: Autopsy

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/may/29/g eorge-floyd-died-police-restraint-combined-health/

https://www.news4jax.com/news/national/2020/05/30/ complaint-autopsy-reveals-nothing-to-support-stran gulation-as-cause-of-george-floyds-death/
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Rick_a
Posted on Friday, May 29, 2020 - 11:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:


Anyone think this will matter in the least?



Not while there's an agenda and narrative to sell. People are fully invested in their victimhood narrative and collective mindset.
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Zane
Posted on Saturday, May 30, 2020 - 12:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Rick,

Exactly!!!
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Blake
Posted on Saturday, May 30, 2020 - 05:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It doesn't matter if the cop's unnecessary brutality caused Mr. Floyd's death regardless. Kneeling on a cooperative handcuffed man's neck for 8+ minutes? Why?
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Rick_a
Posted on Saturday, May 30, 2020 - 07:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It's rude in the least.

I've had police mad/nervous enough to visibly shake. It's a subtle art , but haven't been unnecessarily physically restrained.

My take is that they have a job to do, but if they take the opportunity to turn my misfortune as an opportunity to denigrate or lecture me, they're getting a hard time in return.

Anyway, these days any time a black man (specifically) gets a
hard time from any white person on record, they're automatically a martyr for the oppression olympics.
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86129squids
Posted on Saturday, May 30, 2020 - 08:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"It doesn't matter if the cop's unnecessary brutality caused Mr. Floyd's death regardless. Kneeling on a cooperative handcuffed man's neck for 8+ minutes? Why?"

So, it was "manufactured" that the cop kneeled on the guy's neck for the better part of 10 minutes?!? Jeez, youn's need a check-up from your neck up.

WRONG IS WRONG, fellas. It's plain as day.
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Aesquire
Posted on Saturday, May 30, 2020 - 08:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm assuming Antifa, Soros, and every secret society ( except the Freemasons ) are causing the riots.

Or you can just say One Party rule is responsible, with poorly trained, corrupt, incompetent leaders, in police and across the board in local government.

If, as is apparent from several sources, the police abused a sick man, possibly directly causing his death, possibly through negligence of his proper treatment, then they deserve prosecution, and to be removed from their positions until investigating is completed.

The cops were removed. Didn't matter, "never let a crisis to go waste".
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Ratbuell
Posted on Saturday, May 30, 2020 - 09:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Besides - there's free TVs and liquor to be had...

Is it a shame? yes. Is it a crime? Most likely. We'll see what the independent autopsy says, but I agree that 8 min on a man's neck...there's no excuse.

However.

That does NOT excuse multiple cities' worth of rioting, looting, and burning. The police, and the NG, need to step in NOW and stop this bullshit before more people get killed.

"never let a crisis go to waste" - funny, when you look at the political affiliation of the mayors of the affected cities...you notice a trend. Isn't that interesting?
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Hootowl
Posted on Saturday, May 30, 2020 - 10:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The mayors own the city police. When democrats take over, chaos and decay soon follow.
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Bsanorton
Posted on Saturday, May 30, 2020 - 10:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Oh yeah I'd guess that cop is definitely a registered Democrat, NOT!
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Ratbuell
Posted on Saturday, May 30, 2020 - 11:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Not the point.

The point is the Dem mayors have told the police to stand down, and allow destruction and rioting and general unrest.

There is no rule of law.

They would rather have anarchy - better to serve their purposes, and the goals of The Party.

Republican-run locales? Where's the riots?

Right.

Because if anything got started, the police would shut them the hell down, immediately.
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Tootal
Posted on Saturday, May 30, 2020 - 11:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Oh yeah I'd guess that cop is definitely a registered Democrat, NOT!

Do you know this for a fact? I think we all agree that what this officer did was wrong but I don't think it had anything to do with politics.

So are all those burning and looting Republicans? I don't think it matters, it's wrong period. People are individuals, they made there own decisions. Many succumb to Group Think but that is also a decision.
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Hootowl
Posted on Saturday, May 30, 2020 - 11:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

“Oh yeah I'd guess that cop is definitely a registered Democrat, NOT! “

The mayor is a democrat, ergo, all his police officers are democrats? Is that your assertion? That’s a pretty far fetched assumption. It certainly wasn’t one I made.
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Hootowl
Posted on Saturday, May 30, 2020 - 11:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Oh, I see. Your assertion is that he’s not a democrat. I can’t imagine how you’d know that, but it doesn’t have anything to do with what I posted, which concerned the political leanings of the mayor.
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Aesquire
Posted on Saturday, May 30, 2020 - 11:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

His boss definitely is. His boss's boss is. And for many many years.

It's certainly true that Leftists don't have a monopoly on corruption & incompetence. Local corruption is bipartisan, we have overlapping D City & R County governments, and it's a coin toss which party the individual being indicted/arrested is.

But it's a trademark of the Klan Party to have racist attitude, and poor policing, since the anti-cop assumptions of hippie era raised lefties, now adults, cuts training and budgets for police, as well as withholding police protection from the "bad" ( black ) community in the name of "compassion" - "fairness" -"social justice" & "fighting racism". Not one of which applies in their original, un-propaganda forms.

As to the widespread riots, the anger may indeed be justified, & not because of a particular abuse like this dead man, it's accumulated rage that is a natural reaction of human pride to being continuously told that you are oppressed by "the man" & told you are not responsible for your own actions, since your skin color makes you inferior and subhuman, not to be trusted with your own fate, a perpetual child to be cared for by your Masters.

Only the oppression part has substance, and it's the people exploiting the rage who are the actual oppressors of rights and human spirit.

I freely admit my reaction to injustice may/might be just as violent as any other, I just hope my targeting is better.

One real reason I have not ever rioted/struck back/went vigilante is that I don't trust some pundit to give me the whole story. Only idiots like the Bernie fan attempted mass murdering fool who shot up the Republican Softball team, just buy the propaganda and dump morality and reason to express the rage induced by evil men to manipulate the "masses".

Oh, morals, reason, and responsibility of Citizenship also keep me from throwing rocks at anybody.

Avenging Angel fantasy ego insanity? Not playing with me.

And there is zero excuse for burning Mr. Or Mrs. Park/Jones/Abromowitz's shop because the Mayor and Police Chief of some city may be responsible for abuse. ( The reactionary in me may cheer burning CNN offices, but that's ironic humor, not real approval )

I would bet there are going to be buses chartered by a Soros Hydra organization found parked near riot locations.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Saturday, May 30, 2020 - 01:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Cops went overboard restraining this guy.

That being said, if he hadn't been resisting arrest, he would likely still be alive. Regardless of the cause of death.

In my experience, criminals are all treated equally.

All these people out in the streets making noise and burning shit could use some equality right now.

As for the guy in the viral video threatening to bring it to surburbia... Well, come on down buddy. Suburbia awaits.
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Tootal
Posted on Saturday, May 30, 2020 - 01:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

They threatened that in St. Louis during the Ferguson riots. Ended up they really weren't that stupid after all.
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Zane
Posted on Saturday, May 30, 2020 - 01:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Do we know that what Mr. Floyd did to get put on the ground in the first place? People don't get taken to the group for being cooperative.

Also how was the arresting officer supposed to know there were underlying medical conditions? I know I can't look at a guy and see how healthy his heart is.

My question is why did the officer think he needed to use his knee to subdue the subject. Was Mr. Floyd combative before he was taken to the ground? Mr. Floyd was employed as a bouncer so I'm guessing, force was part of his skill set. I notice there is no recordings of the incident before Mr. Floyd was taken to the ground.

I'd say there is a lot more to learn.

(Message edited by Zane on May 30, 2020)
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Hootowl
Posted on Saturday, May 30, 2020 - 01:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Word is he was being combative. Coroner says cause of death was not a knee to the neck. No suffocation. Any excuse to riot and loot, I suppose.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Saturday, May 30, 2020 - 03:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have been arrested a total of nine times.

A few of those times I would say that excessive force was used. When I look back at the situations, I recognize that everything was my own fault. If I hadn't been breaking the law, NONE of it would have happened in the first place.

I had lunch with an extremely liberal black man and his like-minded white wife in Baltimore yesterday. Both highly educated individuals. Both have traveled extensively in Africa. Neither of them is aligned with the sentiments being expressed by these so-called rioters.

There are so many things upon which conservatives and liberals can agree without compromising their other beliefs, some would be amazed by it.

He is Rastafarian, she is athiest. He served Wagyu burgers and grilled asparagus, while she made us vegan banana cake for dessert. A good time was had by all.
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Aesquire
Posted on Saturday, May 30, 2020 - 03:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Liberal doesn't mean progressive. Progressive aka neo Marxist. Culturally Appropriated the name.

Progressive equals regressive. A return to authoritarian elite rule. The opposite of progress and liberalism.
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Rick_a
Posted on Saturday, May 30, 2020 - 05:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Progressive consider themselves liberal when they are anything but.
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Aesquire
Posted on Saturday, May 30, 2020 - 06:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Hughlysses
Posted on Saturday, May 30, 2020 - 07:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Apparently the rioters are headed into Beverly Hills in California. THAT should get really interesting pretty quick.


lurk
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Tpehak
Posted on Saturday, May 30, 2020 - 09:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

L.A. Protests Cause Rodeo Drive, Luxury Retail to Shut Down

https://wwd.com/fashion-news/fashion-scoops/rodeo- drive-luxury-retail-in-l-a-shuts-down-over-riot-fe ars-1203644179/
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Greg_e
Posted on Saturday, May 30, 2020 - 09:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Had protests in my sleepy city today, I don't think there was violence, but still early in the night.
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