| Author | Message | ||
     Blake |
It's now legal to wear a mask and carry a gun in Texas. Interesting times. | ||
| Aesquire |
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/04/c oronavirus_immunity_cards_kill_the_idea_right_now. html You'll need both, apparently. | ||
| Court |
Blake..... I was laughing the other day. . . . 90 days ago if I’d walked in a gas station wearing a mask and gun (legal here). . . . They’d have hit the silent alarm. Now they calmly look up and ask “cash or credit?” Interesting times, indeed | ||
| Chauly |
Source unknown.... but I like the message. Especially the paragraph that starts with... The whole premise "There are those wanting to reopen PA yet they’re being classified as selfish. There are those that rely on all kinds of people to supply them while they cower in fear at home. Isn’t that being selfish too? You expect your garbage to be picked up, you expect the grocery store to be open so you can get milk, you expect truck drivers to supply the stores, you expect farmers, meat packers, fruit and vegetable pickers all to keep food in that grocery store. You expect Amazon to still ship all the things you’re ordering while you sit at home shopping. You expect the delivery driver to leave it on your doorstep. You expect your phone to work, your power to stay on, and your mail to show up rain, sleet, or shine. And most important, you expect the doctors and nurses to be there if you need them. The whole premise of shelter in place is based on the arrogant idea that others must risk their health so you can protect yours. There is nothing virtuous about ignoring the largely invisible army required to allow people to shelter in place. I know there are some of you that are screaming mad about what I just said but stop and really think about what is allowing you to stay safe in your home. I truly believe that with some common sense on my part, I could easily go back to life as it was. I want to go to restaurants, I want to shop at the little store just up the road. And yes, I could catch COVID-19. I could also catch the flu or a cold, I could get run over by a bus, I could get struck by lightning. We take risks everyday. If you choose to stay home, that is absolutely your choice. And please don’t start screaming at me about how I’ll just spread it. Why are you worried? You won’t get it because you’re staying in your home. Are you going to shelter in place every time a new strand of the flu happens? Our economy can’t withstand much more of this. If our economy collapses, so will the rest of the world’s. If that happens, you will see the rise of tyrants I absolutely don’t want people to die...from COVID or anything else. I want people to live. But sheltering in place is not living." | ||
| Aesquire |
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/04/exp erts-worry-quarantine-fatigue-is-starting.php Other than "the media sucks" I don't have much to comment about the posted editorial. Re: Government Action/Reaction/Overreaction Next year, when SARS-2B or another as yet unknown mutant bug hits the travel circuit, choices on restrictions on travel etc. will have to be made again. I fear over reaction will become SOP. "If it saves ONE life!" is a great slogan, but insane policy. ( let's ignore folk using that slogan while supporting abortion, at least in this thread, eh? ) There's a slippery slope issue for an old Adrenal gland abused like me. If they'll throw out any limits on tyrannical power for the flu, I see skydiving being banned on a whim. Yeah, Pooh's Breath isn't the flu, and very few care about skydiving. But motorcyclists are visible, and some are loud, and a few obnoxious. People fracking die on motorcycles. For the good of the medical community, shouldn't they be banned? Bikers MUST be uncaring parasites to risk...blah blah, you get the idea. And how about "risk sports" that don't have corporate pockets to lobby against bans? Hang gliding manufacturers are few, niche, and barely existing. No millions from Bombardier to stop a ban and too few participants to make a voting block. | ||
| 86129squids |
"Source unknown.... but I like the message. Especially the paragraph that starts with... The whole premise" Allow me. I don't know yet, here in the Volunteer state. Here in the state of Tennessee, We Don't Have Enough Data. | ||
| 86129squids |
Tennessee has 95 counties (countys)? 89 have been OK'ed to open by Governor Lee. We've observed that on Sunday, Tennessee has seen the biggest day of new COVID diagnoses yet. Your News May Vary. | ||
| Blake |
Court, Be advised: Displaying an open barn door while wearing a mask remains inadvisable. | ||
| Blake |
Good! https://www.illinoispolicy.org/illinois-judge-rule s-against-pritzkers-extension-of-stay-at-home-orde r/ | ||
| Pwnzor |
More or less people being tested on any given day will mean that more or less people will be diagnosed. Testing is what drives these numbers, not actual infections. I'm over this crap. Meanwhile, I'll be heading to Chicago and Miami again in a few days... because there are no flights to Russia or Chile out of Atlanta with the temp controlled cargo holds my customers need. | ||
| Court |
Hahaha........the barn door was neigh on 20 years ago and one of the best, and most laughable, moments ever. I confess. . . . When I gave the Commencement address at Columbia . . ... it’s what prompted me the make a quick check as I walked on stage. Great friends Great times Great memories | ||
| Ducbsa |
Reminds me of the Commissioner's commencement speech in Police Academy and his "prompter" under the podium. | ||
| Slaughter |
We have too many old, too many sick, too many vulnerable in society. Passive Eugenics and Darwinism will improve the herd. Yeah, we lose a few hundred health care professionals but they're underpaid anyways and maybe this'll cause management to re-think their base pay. The deaths in the Navajo Nation? Screw them they lost the war against the white people more than a century ago. Retirement homes and hospitals? Hell, they're already vulnerable. We're only talking like what, 30-50K deaths more than the normal flu season? Small percentages. I don't want to be inconvenienced any longer. (Message edited by slaughter on April 28, 2020) | ||
| Strokizator |
There are about 330 million people in the US. At an average life span of 73 years (some older, some younger) and an even distribution of age groups, 4.5 million people will die per year from any number of causes. Every year. 50,000 deaths from a virus represents 1% of this number. Personally, I'm more concerned that my father and his father died from Alzheimer's; that's a hideous way to go. | ||
| Blake |
Steve, Let's please be real. Nobody here at least is arguing for eugenics or social engineering via virus. Nobody is arguing against helping people in need. And isn't the issue a lot more serious than "inconvenience"? That said, isn't inconvenience and freedom the reasons why we allow the killing of 800,000 unborn children every year. As the President has cautioned, the cure should not be worse than the disease, yeah? I think the issue being raised is absolutely valid, the very real costs associated with the shuttering society and our harming the economy. Neither avoid grave consequences. Might we ought consider those as well? If the mindset is that all stops must be pulled to prevent that which is a grave threat to people's lives, then where does that ever end? How many people die due to alcohol every year? Ban or ration it? Why not? Don't we care about the people ravaged by alcoholism and alcoholics? How many people die from vehicle accidents every year? Lower the speed limit to 30 MPH? Why not? Don't we care about all the people who die and or are paralyzed or horribly maimed from auto accidents every year? What about the children? How many people die from unhealthy lifestyles and the inevitable consequences? Force people to exercise and eat healthily? How can we live with ourselves if we allow people to behave so callously and irresponsibly with such grave results? Let reason rule. I think the numbers are in line with a bad flu season, not 30-50K worse in mortality. Which raises the question, why not mandate flu vaccinations for all? Don't we care about those 20-60K people who succumb to flue every year? 650,000 die from heart disease every year in the USA. Why aren't we marshaling society and government to the tune of $trillions of our children's future to wage a "war" against heart disease? The dichotomy as you frame it is a false one. There are many other options between the mindsets of callous disregard vs stop the virus at all costs. | ||
| Court |
Has anyone proposed basing health insurance cost on BMI or using it as part of triage when you arrive at a hospital? If you’ve ignored your own health please understand what we put you at the end of the line. I’m neither suggesting nor supporting that . . . But, it may be where we are headed. With all the “big data” you are ignorant if you don’t think your health insurance carrier doesn’t know when you buy those M&Ms and the Camel filters. They can’t DO anything with it yet. . . But, they are well aware of algorithms associated with increased risks and how to price them . . . The moment they can (Message edited by Court on April 28, 2020) | ||
| Slaughter |
Court is absolutely right. This is the downside of true capitalism. Sometimes people are inconvenienced. Sometimes people die. Sometimes LOTS of people die. Some people plan, some never do. | ||
| Ducbsa |
Slippery slope! This All Pro tub of lard has a BMI of 31.4 (Obese is >30) https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/J oneCh03.htm Of course, 99+% of obese folks are not in that category. (Ha! I just dared to check my BMI: only 31.0, I'm less of a tub of lard than Chandler!) | ||
| Ratbuell |
}This is the downside of true capitalism. No...it is the BASIS of Capitalism. In order to succeed, there needs to be a drive not to fail. Success is not guaranteed - you have to WORK for it. Participation Trophies don't buy groceries. | ||
| Pwnzor |
I'd say that's one of the many benefits of capitalism. Some win, some lose. | ||
| Ratbuell |
Well...there's a win/lose in EVERY system. Look at Venezuela. Difference with Capitalism? The INDIVIDUAL gets to choose. For themselves. Want to succeed? Work harder, make it happen. Communism/socialism? The individual has ZERO choice. The State decides. Just like they "provide for you" - that "free stuff" appeal...they also "DECIDE for you". It starts with simple things, like "you don't qualify for that much food", or "you don't qualify for that surgery", or "you don't get to open that business". I'll take personal choice over "free stuff" any day. | ||
| Aesquire |
https://americanmind.org/essays/the-pandemic-road- to-serfdom/ | ||
| Aesquire |
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/05/cal ifornia-is-great-if-youre-a-criminal.php | ||
| Two_seasons |
Blake said..."isn't inconvenience and freedom the reasons why we allow the killing of 800,000 unborn children every year." Amen brother. How can any one of us, with a straight face, say that our nation truly values life these days? Can't have Liberty, can't have Pursuit of Happiness without the first word of that proclamation being honored! | ||
| Aesquire |
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/05/bre aking-top-coronavirus-expert-busted-for-rank-hypoc risy.php Lovers don't count. | ||
| Rick_a |
BMI isn't always a good metric for health. Even at my trimmest, I still come up obese on that scale...and there's plenty of skinny people drinking, smoking, drugging, and making other poor health choices that are putting them in an early grave with medical complications. There's also those that are predisposed genetically. Like your driving habits, insurance rates should be based on your history and any pre existing conditions. | ||
| Aesquire |
But preexisting conditions are everyone in a world where Obamacare deliberately created requirements that has caused the insurance companies to cancel premium plans, in some cases, every year. ( mine cancelled 4 times ) The Law in New York makes mandatory "insurance paid free stuff" like aromatherapy and hot rocks and self esteem reinforcement... So insurance companies raised the rates to pay for the fluff & cranked up out of pocket expenses to keep the multimillion dollar performance bonuses for the CEO. As mandated by the Obamacare deal made with insurance companies. And individual State regulations, aka bribes & more bribes to Federal & State legislators and Governors, and especially, Obama's eternal campaign money laundering organization. To repeat, when everybody has to buy new insurance, and the deliberate price rise negotiated to maximize executive bonuses, political bribes, and the Cloward-Piven destruction of private sector health insurance, everyone has pre-existing conditions. That is the centerpiece of Obamacare. Mandatory insurance at super premium profits, until the engineered crash, and nationalization of the industry. | ||
| Ratbuell |
Court - you know me. MY BMI puts me at borderline-obese. 6'4", 190 lbs. I don't know where they set those standards, but...something's out of whack. | ||
| Aesquire |
The FAA standard passenger is 170 pounds. That's the number you plug in to calculate loads etc. Then smart American airplane designers plug in 200+ and recalculate. Older light airplanes often can't carry a full load of fuel and every seat full o fat guys. Not too unusual for the underpowered smaller ones to not tolerate a load of heavy people without luggage or enough fuel to go anywhere. The average soldier in WW1 was probably about 160 pounds. The C&Arsenal WW1 videos are hosted by a bear of a guy, so if he holds a, say, '98 Mauser rifle, it looks small. So they have the firing demonstrations and reviews by a lady shooter who is "right sized" to the context. The jiggles in slow motion to recoil ( of, say, a 11mm 19th century bolt action ) is bonus. And my insurance company insists I'm a foot shorter than my weight chart! | ||
| Zacks |
My doc has the same opinion on hypertension. Says the now recommended 'healthy' BP dropped since she first graduated med school. Coincided with the release of hypertension meds. Suddenly everyone had high or marginal BP. |
