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Sami
Posted on Monday, March 15, 2021 - 07:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Factoring in gravitomagnetism could do away with dark matter
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/03/2103 04145458.htm

Dark matter was discussed earlier in this thread, and people here agreed that it doesn't exist. This paper basically confirms what we knew already, namely that we can do away with dark matter.

Of course, the "scientific consensus" will try to downplay this study. The scientific community has a lot of vested interest in dark matter, similar to their vested interest in climate change. Lots of credentials and funding are at stake, never underestimate that. Don't expect the consensus to change its ways overnight. Money and power tend to corrupt people, and scientists are no exemption. You know there is corruption in science when they blatantly tell you to not do your own research.
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Aesquire
Posted on Tuesday, March 16, 2021 - 01:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The biggest breakthrough in science since Relativity might be the EM drive, if it works. Not only does it mean there's some serious rethink needed, it's a tool likely to be classified above details on thermonuclear weapons and silent submarines, both already known to the Russian and Chinese governments, in fact the Chinese may be selling it next year. I'd buy one just to play with it.

If it works. There is every reason to expect such a thing to be suppressed, for multiple reasons.

I don't believe or not, in Dark Matter, I just think there are better explanations and we need more data. When V'ger comes back... Or Pioneer suddenly slows?
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Sami
Posted on Thursday, March 18, 2021 - 10:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Patrick, I'm not familiar with EM drives. What does the acronym stand for?

There is quite a lot of suppression of knowledge in modern science. The knowledge provided to the public is already outdated by the time it is published. Not only that, the knowledge provided to the public cannot be reproduced in many cases (called the reproducibility crisis). So the public gets cheated twice: They are given non-reproducible and outdated information

Dark Matter is the problem child of Relativity. If it weren't for Relativity, there would be no need for Dark Matter in the first place.

So the basic question is not whether Dark Matter exists or not, rather the question is whether Relativity is true or not. If Relativity is wrong about space, time and matter, then a rethinking of the scientific consensus is at place.

Why is the pursuit of Dark Matter deemed important and even necessary by many Relativists? Why is the search for Dark Matter being continued even after decades of failure?

Dark Matter is similar to man-made climate change in the sense that both are politically motivated. Vested interests benefit from continuing with these "research programs" while the public pays for it. These research programs are a main source of their income. For the public to question Dark Matter and man-made climate change is tantamount to scientific heresy. This is one reason why the public is told not to do their own research.

This raises questions regarding the credibility of the scientific consensus on these subjects. When scientific research programs are politically motivated, then the scientific consensus that follows from it should not to be taken as credible.

Basically this:



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Aesquire
Posted on Thursday, March 18, 2021 - 12:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My tablet just got updated & now it won't copy paste URLs. So just search EM drive.

Short form, a reactionless drive run on electricity. Since that violates Dogma, it's called a fake. NASA did a faulty experiment that seemed to show... Maybe, but announced confusing contradictory results. The Chinese stole the idea and claim they'll make them, which means either they are lying, or will soon conquer the universe with unstoppable kinetic weapons that leave little fallout. Or both.

https://www.jerrypournelle.com/chaosmanor/reaction less-drives/

http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/react ionlessdrive.php


In principle, the EM drive is much like the fictional drive from a novel ( that after 57 minutes I haven't found on my shelf, but I have it) that takes advantage of Davis Mechanics ( involving the rate of change of acceleration ) to push on a container of plasma from inside. Radio waves presumably in a sawtooth form or some other handwavium.

Basically, if it works at all, even if it's practically useless, physics needs a rethink. If it has any practical use, arbitrarily produces more than .001 G thrust without propellant, in a craft you can put in orbit, then it opens the stars, at least for immortal robots.

I'm agnostic on the subject, I WANT a reactionless drive, despite the civilization ending possibilities, but want isn't fact.
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Aesquire
Posted on Thursday, March 18, 2021 - 12:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Oh, and to clarify the danger, if you can orbit a drive, guidance, and power source, like a RTG, or solar, then you can send it out to slingshot around Jupiter or Neptune, and come back at relativistic speed. Multi-megaton kaboom. Doomsday machine. Or at least Czar Bomba levels of destruction.

The downside from a military view, is you pull the trigger and then wait weeks or months to get results. Useless to strike back at an enemy except as vengeance after you're all dead, in a MAD, Mutually Assured Destruction, insanity.

From a totalitarian regime view, however, like China or Iran, where they have Holy Purpose, and a win is everyone dies except our elites, so no one can stop the Jihad! Then doomsday weapons you launch to murder civilizations next year, make perfect sense.
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86129squids
Posted on Sunday, March 21, 2021 - 01:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Whatever, Blake. .

Bye.
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Sami
Posted on Sunday, March 21, 2021 - 03:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Patrick, new technologies require new ways of thinking about things already known. The public is given crumbs, outdated technology. So I wouldn't be surprised if there exists technology beyond what the public knows.

This has always been true throughout history. Think of gunpowder, new technology at a time when people fought wars with bow and arrows. Gunpowder changed how people thought of war.

Same with the internet, it's changing how people wage war, the same way gunpowder did centuries before. Internet is the new gunpowder, it's how people use it that determines who wins the war.
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Sami
Posted on Saturday, May 22, 2021 - 05:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

A new replication crisis: Research that is less likely to be true is cited more
https://phys.org/news/2021-05-replication-crisis-t rue-cited.html

Modern science, modern mess.
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Aesquire
Posted on Saturday, May 22, 2021 - 02:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Certainly Bleeding edge tech is often first found in military use, but not always.

The common current thing is the shrinking of processors and the associated gear. In the 19th century, it was the steam engine and the new Internal Combustion toys.

A few decades ago, the most powerful computers were parked at NSA headquarters, the Cray Clusters which were roughly TARDIS sized beasts with air conditioning/cooling systems that plumbed through the floor, so the REAL size was large room sized, although the actual computer part was a stack of circuit boards you could fit in a hatchback.

Then the Bleeding edge was in Fighter planes in the smaller, high powered, computers controlling flight and sensors. ( and those were/are completely different systems packed in the same air frame. )

Today, Bleeding edge is back to room+ sized systems that might be the total size of a Cricket infield if you include the cooling systems. Again, owned and operated by big governments, ( I think China is ahead on this ) or the massive server farms, covering hundreds of acres, powered by massive power plants, owned by the Masters Of Tech like Google and Amazon. Those are Much lower computational POWER per cubic meter, but have information storage in incredible amounts.

And both will be available to consumers in a cell phone size in the not too distant future, with storage behind raw computational power until the next paradigm shift from magnetic to probably quantum bubble.

Alternatively, the Bitcoin mining servers are using off the shelf video cards, and while not up to the giant supercomputers in labs can be ordered in parts from NewEgg or Amazon and right now there are thousands of gamers wishing the Crypto-currency imaginary money fad would crash so they can get new video cards to play the latest games.

Not since the Tulip Craze has such insanity made so many so rich. The inevitable crash will probably start WW4.
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Aesquire
Posted on Tuesday, May 25, 2021 - 10:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://jewishworldreview.com/0521/lowry052521.php3

Scientific consensus, aka, what you are told to believe by Your Masters, isn't science. It's Power.

In this case it's the CCP dictating the narrative, aka The Lie, about their biological warfare attack on the planet.

They've threatened to nuke Australia if they don't stop asking annoying questions.

Don't know about legally, but that convinces me of their guilt. We may never know if the release of a "gain of function" ( make it nasty! ) experimental bat-derived virus was an accident, ( sick researchers indicate that ) or deliberate, but there is no doubt the Spread was a deliberate Act Of War.
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Sami
Posted on Tuesday, May 25, 2021 - 06:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Fifth Generation Warfare to be more precise. China has not made it a secret that it is waging war with America. The reason why many people do not recognise that there is a war is because this is not a conventional war. I have referenced this book before but worth mentioning it again:

"Unrestricted Warfare: China's Master Plan to Destroy America"

Part of unrestricted warfare is the weaponisation/politicisation of science. This is easily achieved by means of funding. Following the money is still a reliable way of seeing who pulls the strings and dictates the narrative.

Modern science and the scientific consensus have been compromised/corrupted by big money from organisations such as WHO and the UN. This isn't anything new, only this time around during the Plandemic it happened on a global scale for all to see.
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Aesquire
Posted on Sunday, May 30, 2021 - 10:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://9gag.com/gag/abVxjPr
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Aesquire
Posted on Tuesday, July 06, 2021 - 11:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://amgreatness.com/2021/06/25/dissenting-from -woke-superstition/
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Sami
Posted on Monday, July 26, 2021 - 03:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

How Science Lost the Public’s Trust
From climate to Covid, politics and hubris have disconnected scientific institutions from the philosophy and method that ought to guide them.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-china-media-lab -leak-climate-ridley-biden-censorship-coronavirus- 11627049477
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Aesquire
Posted on Wednesday, August 18, 2021 - 08:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/08/t he_rift_between_science_and_religion_.html

Like faith, science is a journey. Although technically a noun, in practical effect “science” is a verb, a process for trying to best explain the discordant carnival called life in which we are immersed. Like the winding journey towards betterment that can exemplify faith, science is never “settled.” In fact, “settled science” is the least science-y thing that can exist and is the opposite of the process. It is the equivalent of a merely skin-deep type of faith of transitory convenience because it denies the very concept of change in order to take advantage of the circumstances of the present.
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Sami
Posted on Thursday, August 26, 2021 - 09:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Lies, damn lies, and Science.

If the devil is the father of lies, then surely Science is his son incarnate.

God gave us five senses and a sober mind. Science gave us Dr. Fauci. Who do you trust?
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Aesquire
Posted on Thursday, August 26, 2021 - 10:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bureaucracy brought us High Priest Fauci.

It's possible the long time political animal who chose to take a job with pay & perks independent of performance, without the downside of patients that get sick & die because he made errors, isn't actually an agent of Satan.

You can interpret his speeches as desperate attempts to communicate complex subjects to the illiterate Press, a group that chose a major not requiring knowledge or skill. ( unlike electrical engineering or basket weaving. Far too hard for the Chris Cuomos and Lemons of the Party Apparatchiks. )

Obviously at first he had talking points handed him by underlings in the Organization. And later was fed his talking points by Party bosses.

You can even interpret his decision to violate the law against bioweapons research by outsourcing the work to a Regime that treats it's subjects as expendable resources, as a rational reaction to the Primitive fools in Congress and the Wretched Masses who are afraid of Progress.

You have to really be well indoctrinated, but you can Believe in Fauci as you Believe in other Higher Truths. Like the Negro is too stupid to get ID to vote or drive or anything. & God is a Superstition. & we've always been at war with Eurasia....
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Sami
Posted on Sunday, September 05, 2021 - 12:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The High Priest is Fauci. The religion is Science.

Fauci’s NIAID reportedly funded research that infected, euthanized dogs
https://nypost.com/2021/08/12/dr-faucis-niaid-slam med-for-reportedly-r-beagles-euthanizing-them/

Without God, everything is permitted. What good comes out of torturing dogs in the name of Science?
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Aesquire
Posted on Sunday, September 05, 2021 - 01:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Possibly a cure that saves lives.

Possibly a paper to get a job. With Dr. Doom involved could be either.

Just because it's puppies and not rats doesn't make it bad research. Cuteness of dogs is cultural. Cuteness doesn't make any difference except to publicity.

And as far as I can tell this is a group I'm not sure is legit complaining about a group that lost It's credibility headed by a man with none.

https://www.whitecoatwaste.org/

I don't doubt the facts but do the spin.

I'm all for using Hollywood actresses and Congresscritters for medical experiments instead of rats and rabbits. I just want the shampoo not to hurt me. If AOC has to get shampoo dripped her eyes, I'm good with that.
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Aesquire
Posted on Sunday, September 05, 2021 - 01:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The religion is Science.

Nope, the Religion is Power. Science is just a buzzword to them.

Science can't clear it's name, like Many use God as an excuse in the past. Neither can God clear it's name. Unless she chooses to violate the promise to not Flood again to reset the idiots
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Sami
Posted on Sunday, September 05, 2021 - 04:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't like shampoos that hurt me either, that's why I use soap. Soap has an excellent safety record dating back thousands of years, and if you add pine tar to it, then it also cures skin issues. Pine tar smells good, too.

There are many, many more cures that you can make from pine products. It kills germs and parasites like no other.

It is not about cuteness to me, it is about what is true. That is what I want to know, what good comes out of doing those experiments abroad? If the purpose is to find cures, then why not do those experiments closer to home instead of doing them halfway around the world in Africa and China?

Why is Science being outsourced? Doing so makes the people involved unaccountable. Who will be held responsible when things go wrong?

Whether Science is just a buzzword, a mantle or a coat, it doesn't matter at the end of the day. What matters is that Science, the de facto religion of the Powerful, has been stained beyond repair, for better or for worse. Power needs a platform, and Science currently serves as that platform.

What went wrong with Science is making materialism absolute. Questioning it is heretical.

Richard Lewontin: "Moreover, that materialism is absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door."
https://www.drjbloom.com/Public%20files/Lewontin_R eview.htm
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Aesquire
Posted on Sunday, September 05, 2021 - 05:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What matters is that Science, the de facto religion of the Powerful, has been stained beyond repair, for better or for worse. Power needs a platform, and Science currently serves as that platform.

the 3 faiths from the book ( J, C, & M ) all have been used as excuses for gaining Power. All are tainted by evil men using them.

Science is what it is. A Method of finding truth about the Universe. What these punks call science is just another form of religion. Most are influenced by the Marxist cults, which are Jealous of others.

Also, the Marxist cults are nearly unique in that the basis and methodology is dishonesty, from origin to end game. It's In the Holy Books. Spelled out.

“The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist”—Charles Baudelaire
“The second greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he is the good guy”—Ken Ammi”
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Sami
Posted on Sunday, September 05, 2021 - 07:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The third greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world Science is the answer to all their questions and problems.

Someone said that Envy is the hallmark of Marxism and that Greed is the hallmark of Capitalism. The Greedy Capitalist sells the rope to the Envious Marxist by which he will be hanged with.

Science is run by envious and greedy men. As such, Science is biased. Even more so now than ever. Science serves the powers that be, and will not bite the hands that feed it.

There are two kinds of people in the world, those who "Trust the Science" and those who don't.

I don't trust the Science.
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Aesquire
Posted on Monday, September 06, 2021 - 01:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What's to trust?

Ignoring so called Social Sciences, the Hard stuff is in a constant flux of change, as it should be. Sure, there's the Climate Con & Panicdemic but I still believe in the basic philosophy.

That the Church Elders are against dancing isn't new. That the Academics think they are Priests isn't new. And you're right about the Lies of Science replacing Faith as a Marxist Imperative.

Science ain't religion and those believing it is are misinformed or self important knaves.

Our disagreement may be view based not fundamental.

If there's any Trust, it's that there is objective reality and that theories can be disproven. If you don't buy those two concepts then you aren't doing science.

Objective reality is a Big No No in Leftist thought. Plus dishonesty about the concept of proof.
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Sami
Posted on Monday, September 06, 2021 - 05:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"What's to trust?"

The "scientific consensus" and "peer review", I don't trust any of them. I have seen plenty of "consensus" and read lots of "peer reviews" in my lifetime to know that putting trust in any of them is a fool's errand.

Science is less reliable than a coin flip. Science may get things right sometimes, but so does a broken clock. If I want a constant flux of change, then I go to the casino and test my luck there.

Science is a good servant, but a cruel master.

What is the basic philosophy of Science? Currently, the basic philosophy of Science is Materialism. I reject that.
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Aesquire
Posted on Monday, September 06, 2021 - 08:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The "scientific consensus" and "peer review", I don't trust any of them

That's not science. That's Politics. Reality doesn't care how many believe.

Peer review is just to separate your paper on how Global Warming Changes Blackjack Odds from Harry Potter fanfiction.

The story about Ron and Draco in Hagrid's hut is going to get more feedback from better qualified people. And more readers.

Your cynicism is deserved, but it's much like saying God is Dead because the Cardinal of New York sent a child raping priest from Parrish to Parrish then fled to Rome to escape prosecution for enabling and covering up the crimes. ( fact ) I don't claim science is wrong because Marxist religious cults claim a steak dinner kills the planet.

I just point out the institution is dishonest, and I don't care if you still want to light a candle to focus your prayers for the dead. I still use the Euler equations to determine if the wing I design will take a load, or fold. ( Xfoil and other simulations weren't written when I last spent days with a scientific calculator doing stress analysis. )

Btw, I flew that wing and I'm still here. That's Science.
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Sami
Posted on Monday, September 06, 2021 - 10:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Science has become political, but it's more accurate to say that Science has always been political. Politics funds Science, this was true of the past and this is true of the present. There is a Revolving Door situated between Politics and Science. I don't trust Science for the same reason I don't trust Politics. The two are like hand in glove.

Another reason why I don't trust Science is the Reproducibility Crisis. Even disregarding the Political aspect, there still remains the crisis of reproducibility that has no easy solution. A coin flip is more reliable than Science.

Science is wrong about Reality. Reality is not Materialistic.

"Btw, I flew that wing and I'm still here. That's Science."
That's not Science. That's Engineering. I trust Engineering.
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Zac4mac
Posted on Monday, September 06, 2021 - 12:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Engineering is science.
All my Physics classes were in the Engineering building, specifically EE.

Z
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Sami
Posted on Monday, September 06, 2021 - 12:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Not all sciences are created equal. Engineering is the practical application of science.

Science asks: "How?"
Engineering asks: "How much?"

The "much" part is key. Engineering is science, but Science is not Engineering.
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Zac4mac
Posted on Monday, September 06, 2021 - 03:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Nope, just like squares are rectangles but not all rectangles are squares.
Engineering can’t exist without science.

Z
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Sami
Posted on Monday, September 06, 2021 - 04:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

There is a distinction between Science (capital S) and science (small s).

Science with capital "S" is politicised and faces a reproducibility crisis. Science with a small "s" does not have those problems.

A wing needs to be built in a certain way in order to work as intended. You cannot wing your way (pun intended) into designing wings without having practical applications first. The Wright brothers experimented with many practical applications, they didn't just "trust the Science".

The best engineers don't just trust the Science, they trust the results of practical applications (science).
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Sami
Posted on Monday, September 06, 2021 - 04:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If it helps to clarify, I will use Science® (with trademark) to distinguish it from other sciences such as Engineering.

I do not trust Science®, that's all. I have nothing against Engineering.

We know from people such as Richard Lewontin that Science® requires Materialism to be absolute. Lewontin was a Marxist. I don't trust Marxists and their Science®.
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