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     Patches |
First, Jesus is the One that brought Light onto the world Filled with DARKNESS, NOT that ball of Fire in the Sky- that is Sun Worship like the Catholic church, Chaos or Egyptology. Modern New Age bibles take out the name Lucifer(the light bearer) because that is who they worship the "sun god" NOT! The Son of GOD. "The Morning Star is Venus." that comes from Pagan Sun Worship. Revelation 22:16 (KJV) Jesus is the Morning Star. Isaiah 14:12 (KJV) Lucifer, son of the morning "morning stars" are the Angels in Heaven. Aesquire, The Word of God is NOT a "medieval tract" that is Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. Modern New Age bibles ARE based on the Codex Vaticanus, Codex Sinaiticus, that are Jesuit Jewish/ Catholic church manuscripts only existence is to Destroy Jesus Christ. And to get you to worship the Beast/ ANTI-Christ. | ||
| Aesquire |
No, the Morning Star is a Planet. You know, Science. Objective Reality. Medieval tracts are Medieval tracts. Written by monks. Not The Word Of God. That's called a Bible. The Jack Reacher books are novels, not the Word, either. Other books exist! In separate centuries Christian and Muslim fanatics burned the Library at Alexandria. The excuse was if it was important it was in the Holy Book, and it it wasn't in the Holy book, it wasn't important. 2 different books btw. And the King of Axxum held the title "he who brings the dawn", among a list of the territory he held. Updated to add conquests and delete break aways. No one really thought he moved the heavens at his whim, it was just a flowery language thing. Queen Elizabeth has some over the top titles beyond Duchess of Edinburgh. Defender of the Faith is a good one. Few expect her to behead Corbyn, but technically she should. | ||
| Aesquire |
Torque, the Morning Star is a mass weapon, and doesn't need to index in the hand like a sword. slower, no point. There was a fighting Bishop who favored a mace. No cutting edge, thus a "peaceful" weapon. ( crushed skulls were ok. Stabbing, not.  ) The Talhoffer manuscript, 15th century, is a surviving "unbroken" lineage of martial art. ( I've got my copy ) OTOH sword & shield had to be reinvented from fragments. Multiple "schools" and organizations. http://www.thearma.org/manuals.htm#.XgtFijVOl0s I've got the 1970's Oldcastle manual too. Obsolete, but I learned from it. Off topic though. In martial arts I'm a Fusion guy. Modern Olympic sports medicine to Roman Legion training, The Asian arts too. Use the good, discard the chaff. A lot of people do the same with faith. There are jokes about American Cafeteria Catholics, taking one from column a... "I like do not steal, but covet doesn't apply, right?" ; ) | ||
| Patches |
Torq, "First of all, that's a 1611 website - I doubt you read the 1611 KJV as you haven't mentioned it." Did you look at the chart where it shows the different versions. NIV, NASV, NKJV, RSV, NRSV, NCV, LIV I am KJV Only. It's been since 1971 I asked Jesus Christ to save me, I've only read Old Testament 3 times beginning to end, New Testament 5 times beginning to end. Both 1611 KJV and 1769 KJV. I can not put a number on research I have done no words and verses in the KJV to better understand Doctrine. | ||
| Patches |
Aesquire, Worshiping the Planets and Stars(host of heaven) goes back pre- flood earth mother goddess cult. God commands you Do Not Learn there Ways. Jeremiah 10:2 King James Version (KJV) 2. Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. Gods Word is a Weapon- Hebrews 4:12-13 King James Version (KJV) 12. For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13. Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. There are only two religions in the world that is Christ Jesus and Anti-Christ. Once you take your last breath ALL bets are over. | ||
| Torquehd |
That's a cool website, Patrick! Thanks for sharing. | ||
| Pwnzor |
Here's another good website... http://unravelingtheword.info/ | ||
| Torquehd |
That is cool. However, Hebrew was a dead language for several hundred years, and I'm not an expert on Hebrew. I don't think there are many experts on Hebrew. There are a lot of preachers who take a couple semesters of it in Seminary, profess themselves to "have studied Hebrew", and then use it as a tool to totally twist the words of God. I know of a couple preachers who avoid Hebrew for that very reason. they don't want to get led down a rabbit hole that is man-made. | ||
| Aesquire |
I do love me a pre-flood Earth Mother Goddess Cult. I'm not in one, but I would attend services to be polite and out of curiosity. I doubt there are any authentic ones, though. but... you evade the point. Venus is a ball of rock with noxious gasses on the surface, that because of orbital position is often called the Morning Star. and has been since long before some guy named Joseph had to deal with a pregnant Virgin wife and the need to return to his old home town for a darned Roman census. What some Roman, or Indus Valley guru, though about some planet doesn't make the Planet a Satanic object. That's all laid on later by crazy people. Ans while I have studied Greek mythology, it's a bit too... best shown in a chart.  | ||
| Patches |
"long before some guy named Joseph had to deal with a pregnant Virgin wife" See "Aesquire" that's your problem- Before Joseph was Jesus IS, Before Virgin wife was Jesus IS, Before Adam was Jesus IS. When you worship the DARK you can NOT See in the LIGHT. God commanded to Worship Him. | ||
| Crusty |
Why? If God is all knowing and all powerful, why does he want you (or anybody else) to grovel? | ||
| Crusty |
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| Aesquire |
As a mortal, I'll keep using Time's Arrow terms like before, and after. No one in Israel met the guy before he was born, right? So his Eternal Existence ( which was a major issue in the Trinity arguments 1500 years ago ) is entirely impossible to perceive in any Human senses context. No mortal living had a clue some guy would call Mary's son the Morning Star before he was born. No one probably did ( except maybe his Mom ) before he was crucified either. So no Before. Christ. Indian, Chinese, or European scholar, peasant, or prostitute could have known that the bright light often seen in the sky had anything to do with the Son Of God. Before has meaning. And by the time of the Classical Greeks it was understood that the Wanderers weren't normal stars. It was centuries later that we learned that they were balls of matter much like the ball we were living on. (Message edited by aesquire on December 31, 2019) | ||
| Ourdee |
Trinity arguments 1500 years ago? People still argue today about the godhead. I avoid the arguments. Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: | ||
| Aesquire |
And not just arguments, burn at the stake heresy persecutions. Even the Church of Rome keeps those in the dungeons today. Islam is still really into that, though. A lot. And it's hard to explain what, really, the problem was with Trinity disputes. Father, Son, Holy spirit... How literal can you spin that? 3 is 1. 3 faces of the Diety. Metaphor. And the knives come out over wine and crackers. In cynical moments I blame the sexual repressive attitudes that skip the Greek myth versions of conception. Zeus "appeared to women" as a swan, a bull, a shower of light, and probably the milk man. Jehovah sent an Angel to reveal the cosmic pregnancy test, and the divine act is censored. Just as well. That spared us 2000 years of "and how can an oil lamp( whatever ) get you pregnant?" And burning Bush jokes! | ||
| Ourdee |
What got me was how so many decided that Mary should be deified out of it. | ||
| Patches |
That is Oneness Pentecostalism doctrine. "Oneness" doctrine exposed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLfnrHX80W8 "Isaiah 9:6 Explained to Modalists/Oneness Pentecostals https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MgOvjHAtOs Pentecostal "Oneness" Doctrine Debunked https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVcC0rNfFTw | ||
| Patches |
Mary was highly favoured with God. And blessed among women. Luke 1:26-35 King James Version (KJV) 26. And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, 27. To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary. 28. And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. 29. And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. 30. And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. 31. And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus. 32. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33. And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. 34, Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? 35. And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. | ||
| Torquehd |
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| Patches |
Just trying to show you the way, the truth, and the life to save you from yourselves and the danger of eternal damnation. "the way, the truth, and the life" John 14:6 King James Version (KJV) 6. Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. "save you from yourselves" James 5:20 King James Version (KJV) 20. Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins. "danger of eternal damnation" Matthew 7:21-24 King James Version (KJV) 21. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23. And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 24. Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: Matthew 25:46 King James Version (KJV) 46. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. | ||
| Torquehd |
I'm surprised you didn't delve into the Catholic church turning Mary into another Semiramis, Ishtar, Lilith, Diana, etc, in order to secretly continue the old Babylonian mystery religion which is attributed to Nimrod in the valley of Shinar. I thought for sure you'd be all over that. | ||
| H0gwash |
So what is your world view, and why? Don't be skeered. Maybe be the phrase "don't be skeered." should have been omitted. Don't ask don't tell!! <laughing> Happy late new years, all.} | ||
| Ourdee |
There was this can just sitting there. And I thought. "What is the name of God?" I inserted the church key and started turning. Well in Acts 2:38 Peter said to baptize them in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of their sins. So, I looked in Matthew at the end of the 28th chapter to see what Jesus said to do. He said, "... baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost..." Well there was not an s at the end of name. That would indicate that there was one name for those three titles. May be that Peter knew that one name after hanging out with Jesus the son. Now there was a place where Jesus said, "Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom." It is my understanding that a King was only allowed to give up to half the kingdom because the other half belonged to the son. The only way Jesus could give all the kingdom away would be if he was the father and the son. Do you think the Holy Ghost's name may be Jesus. (We can discuss God's name being placed over his head on the cross?) May be a little later. | ||
| Ourdee |
From Isaiah 9:6 you don't derive that it is saying Jesus is the Father as much as you have to first from the verse determine that Jesus is the father of everlasting. | ||
| Ourdee |
I am amazed at how "False Doctrine" is thrown out there as soon as you point out that the word trinity is not used in the bible where God changes not, and from the beginning and I know I am repeating myself there is the Hear O Israel........... He is a jealous God, "For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God." | ||
| Ourdee |
Please, remember: No censorship other than keeping discussion within PG-13 family oriented bounds. Not everyone's cup of tea, but it's interesting to me. So what is your world view, and why? Don't be skeered. I like discussing God. I do not like arguing about God. Especially when a doctrine has me shouting Hallelujah and the person on the other side of the discussion yelling and angry. If you discuss while foaming at the mouth it will not end well. | ||
| H0gwash |
RD, I wish everyone approached life with your positivity. | ||
| Ourdee |
Gerard, Happy New Year! This is going to be an amazing year. | ||
| Patches |
"I'm surprised you didn't delve into the Catholic church turning Mary into another Semiramis"- Catholic church is based on the Babylonian mystery religion which is based on the worship of 'Dagon/ Baal worship' and all the other mystery religion which is based on the 'Cult of Cybele or Earth Mother Goddess'. No matter how they re-package it there is only two religions throughout history, Christ and Anti-Christ.    | ||
| Patches |
"Don't be skeered" I fear the wrath of God not man. Matthew 10:28 King James Version (KJV) 28. And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. |
