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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, December 18, 2019 - 10:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Years ago, I was a participant on a Christian apologetics forum and posted a thread dealing with malicious activism against Christian businesses entitled "Brilliant Solution To Being Coerced To Serve Celebrations of Homosexual Behavior" with a link to the pertinent article by a Catholic priest...

http://cnsnews.com/blog/michael-w-chapman/christia ns-gays-well-accept-your-business-and-donate-your- money-traditional

Discussion ensued, some took great offense. I was then soon smeared by another participant there who wrote "You are not a Christian. You are a bigot. More specifically, you're a nasty bigot who relishes the suffering inflicted on vulnerable minorities..."

I disagreed, laughed it off, but then was then soon summarily banned from the forum by its drive-by secretive admin/moderator.

People are funny.

There's more to the story. Others have been banned from the forum there when their arguments against the social justice crowd were too effective. It always started with a certain cabal of leftists there who would gang up in attacking and reporting their most effective political opposition. Soon enough the secretive moderators would ban the targeted account.

It was very Orwellian.

I'm so thankful to have the custodial team here at BadWeB where we handle issues out in the open for all to see, and give people the benefit of doubt, and all the patience of Job. And then if they should rejoin and behave, we don't care. Who has time to spend trying to do such a thing? All we care about here is that people be respectful and thoughtful, no open malice.

The hatred and intolerance from the Leftists is just off the charts, even from those professing to follow Christ himself.

Yeah, some here might call me a hypocrite. This forum will have been around for almost 22 years come February. Been there, done that. It was a great lesson to have been able to learn.

I am concerned about our young folks. They're being massively indoctrinated. They don't believe in free speech.

(Message edited by Blake on December 19, 2019)
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Sifo
Posted on Thursday, December 19, 2019 - 05:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It's the tyranny of tolerance.
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Aesquire
Posted on Thursday, December 19, 2019 - 09:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/12/t ransgenders_attacking_gays_and_lesbians_for_refusa l_to_accept_them_as_athletes_and_same_sex_lovers.h tml

I openly support "gay marriage". I simply don't care what sex you are, it's a conservative ideal to live lives of commitment, without promiscuity. I get that some religions have problems with that, and am fine with them not wanting to participate.

You have a problem with professionally photographing a same sex wedding? Baking a cake with 2 dudes, or a Nazi flag? Fine. You'll lose business, and that's fine too.

It's not ok to deny your services to someone because they're black, or Christian, or Star Wars fans, however. That's the law, at least the racist part. ( alas, the ones who love Kylo Ren or Christ are not so protected, afaik ) So there are arguments that refusing service to, say, lesbians because they are who they are, should be as illegal as refusing service to blacks.

I think there's a fuzzy line between artistic services and "everyday" service... But it's hard to define. Should it be ok for your diner, open to the public, to refuse to serve black people your gourmet artistic omelet? Perhaps If a polite woman wants your cinnamon rolls you sell to everyone else, you are obligated to sell them to her, but it's ok to refuse to put an icing swastika on it if she requests?

Can I demand a Kosher deli serve me a BLT? A Muslim deli?

If it was easy, anyone could do it.

However, it is increasingly obvious that equal treatment under the law is not the goal of many "activist" groups. And the utter intolerance of many of them is... Unacceptable to rational humans.

Feel free to disagree with me. But don't you dare, with them. IMHO that's the fundamental difference, and not a bad, if imperfect, method to tell right from wrong.
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H0gwash
Posted on Thursday, December 19, 2019 - 10:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hate speech is a subset free speech. Free speech already has narrow legal constraints against creating clear and present danger to the public. The great majority of speech falls outside those constraints.

I welcome businesses posting their social policy. I don't want to support a business whose philosophy I don't endorse.
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Ourdee
Posted on Thursday, December 19, 2019 - 11:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have strange views on some topics and an opinion that there are rights that are over-written by laws. I do not endorse treating a man different based on skin color. While at the same time I do not endorse telling a man that he can't with a law. I do endorse vocalizing your belief that treatment is unjust. We must not indoctrinate, but should teach others and let them decide weather to be enlightened by our opinions. Education by laying out factual history before reasonable men can elevate the fair treatment of all by non indoctrinated humans.
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Ourdee
Posted on Thursday, December 19, 2019 - 11:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

A little of my history. As an author's background is relevant to a more concise understanding of his words. I grew up in the 60s with a prejudiced Grandpa for 6 years of whom I was the apple of his eye. I never saw the mean side of Grandpa that others felt free to share after his demise. He was an iron worker and an alcoholic. Grandma remarried to an older preacher that always lived right before me. My parents divorced and mom had custody while she remarried often. I lived with dad one year and with my grandma another. Had a room in a detached garage for a while. Most of my lessons were don't be like that guy. I moved out my senior year and finished High School at night school while holding down a full time job. I had credit for three majors in Industrial Arts and could have had 4 if I had stayed in day school. Then military for 6 years and out to explore life without rules. Got cleaned up and in church at 33 years old and married a year later. It was a good bible based church believing in the gifts. Only problem was the holier than thou that created a disconnect with what the bible said about treating others. God moved me out of State and to enlightenment about all that. Now retired and back in Indiana I struggle with finding a church to call home. I have one I go to but don't put my name on it. I have learned to look to God while keeping my eye on men. I have found as many good men outside of church as in the building. We are all rough around the edges. The only way worthwhile to make it out of this life is through Jesus. I believe in the gifts of the Spirit, and the power of prayer and fasting. I taught teen class in Sunday School for 17 years and preached a little. I never felt like I was called to be a preacher. Rather I filled a need in the church. My greatest pleasure was preaching acts 2:38 in a Catholic service of 300 in the Indiana Boys School and baptizing a man there in Jesus name in the same service. (Same prison Mike Tyson was in). No, I didn't see him. I have learned that a book must be read to be known, and men are a living epistle weather they want to be or not. I am a firm advocate of the constitution. I also believe that the ten commandments are all the law we need if people were all filled with the Holy Ghost.
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Tootal
Posted on Thursday, December 19, 2019 - 01:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Years ago I had a conversation with a friend that was gay. He knew I was on the conservative side and asked me why I was friendly with him. I told him that the Bible says that a man should not lay down with another man. But, that same Bible says that I'm not to judge anybody. Our country was based on individuality and so is the Bible. It comes down to, despise the sin but not the sinner. It's hard for me to get the speck out of your eye when there's a beam in mine! Nobodies perfect. My friend just looked at me, taking in what I had said, and finally reached his hand out and shook my hand and told me that he could accept that. I TRY not to judge other people giving everybody the benefit of the doubt, until proven otherwise.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Thursday, December 19, 2019 - 01:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Can I demand a Kosher deli serve me a BLT? A Muslim deli?

You should be smart enough to know that a Kosher deli simply doesn't have that sort of food in it anyway. If you're that dumb...seriously.

I don't go to a motorcycle dealer looking for parts for my heat pump. I don't go to church looking for a whisky. I don't go to the mobile phone store looking for a generator. Nor do I expect any of those places to completely change their business model to suit my whims - just because the mobile phone store is "easier for me to get to" doesn't mean I expect them to serve me a meal.

Gay marriage? Do what you want. Some guys like gingers, some guys like blondes, some guys like brunettes...some guys like guys. I don't get to tell you what to do or not do. But, if I don't want to make your wedding cake...YOU also do not have the right to tell ME what to do or not do. It goes both ways. Ditto "religious freedom" - people are tearing down crosses and statues because they're "obviously Christian" and that "offends" them. Well...yes, that's religious freedom. If you're not Christian, you can put up your symbols and I can't tell you not to. But, you don't get to tell ME not to, either.

That's the problem with all this "woke" crap - those people want to hem and haw about getting THEIR beliefs tolerated and accepted...but at the EXPENSE of those whom they disagree with.

That's not how it works.

"Allow alongside", not "allow instead of".
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Patches
Posted on Thursday, December 19, 2019 - 02:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Judge Not - The Sodomite Christian - YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYlDqUj4-Nk
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Torquehd
Posted on Thursday, December 19, 2019 - 05:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It's not ok to deny your services to someone because they're.....

"we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone"

If I decide I don't want to trade with you, I shouldn't be forced to trade with you, regardless of who you or I are.

I agree that it's wrong to shun people, and although I disagree with the ideal of sex-changes, I still got in line for a "tranny" cashier while Christmas shopping today, just because that was the shortest line.
However, no one should force me to get in his line, and no one should force him to check me out (no pun intended).
ie, if he knew that I don't like trannies, and decided he didn't want me in his line, fine with me. Although I would think he's narrow minded and dumb for refusing to do business with me because of my opinions, I still believe he should have that right.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Thursday, December 19, 2019 - 05:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone"

I agree in principal. However, in order to effectively use that argument, one must fall back on the "because I said so" defense...because anything else, to the "woke", anyway, is "discrimination".

For example...I was a Production major in college and worked my first decade after school as tech director for a live theatre house. 300 shows a season, roadhouse, all touring groups. Had one gay man who kept hitting on me at one show and I had to tell him in no uncertain terms NO. And to avoid "offending" a gay man...all I said was "you're not my type, and I need to get back to work so please, drop it". Technically...true - guys aren't my type, but that left the door open enough that he couldn't come after me or the City (who ran the facility) for "discrimination" of any sort against a homosexual.

"Right to refuse" is a similar gray area - have to find something non-offensive as grounds to back the refusal. My sound company now - there's certain music I flat-out don't want to produce, and certain crowds and/or venues that I simply won't expose my equipment to, for various reasons. Answer? "sorry, I can't, I'm booked for a private event that date". Or, "family in town". Or, "have other plans". Or something equally non-offensive. It sucks to have to think that way, but it's the way of the (twisted) world now.
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Aesquire
Posted on Thursday, December 19, 2019 - 07:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone"

You can refuse to serve anyone. Any single person. He might be A jerk, fair enough. Or she.

But you cannot by law refuse to serve, say, Christians, or Blacks, or a group identity. That will get you in trouble, and usually ought to.

There are exceptions. Young men with gang colors. You can post a dress code. Those usually hold up in court, but not always, depending on the judge and the specifics.

And, what if your dress code is "ethnically sensitive". Droopy pants with underwear showing? Face concealing masks and veils? You can argue fashion sense or fear of robbery... Still, I'd bet you lose, depending on the court.

The 2 big cases often yelled about are quite different. A cake maker happy to sell non custom items to gay people, and custom items that didn't offend him, personally, on religious or common sense grounds. ( he would probably refuse a swastika cake order ) A group of activists targeted him, possibly because of a statement made previously. Ruined his life. I don't think the legal crud is over for him.

The other case, was a "trans" person, male sex, born male, who demanded waxing/hair removal services on his/her/it personal area from a salon that serves women. They refused, on the grounds they didn't want to force a woman to touch male bits and were not experienced in the technique. It sued. And amazingly, lost, in Canada! ( which has acquired a reputation for insane rules imho )

A good bottom line might be, "you have no right to forced labor from another". Which is basically the court decision on police protecting you. That case was a women murdered by an ex who was violating a protection order, broke her door down and killed her.

If it was easy, there'd be no arguments.
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Patches
Posted on Thursday, December 19, 2019 - 07:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Leviticus 18:22 - Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.

Leviticus 20:13 - If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them.

Deuteronomy 23:17
There shall be no "BADWEB CENSORSHIP - girl who engages in sexual intercourse for pay : prostitute." of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.

1 Kings 14:24 And there were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before the children of Israel.

1 Kings 15:12 And he took away the sodomites out of the land, and removed all the idols that his fathers had made.

1 Kings 22:46 And the remnant of the sodomites, which remained in the days of his father Asa, he took out of the land.

2 Kings 23: 7 And he brake down the houses of the sodomites, that were by the house of the LORD, where the women wove hangings for the grove.

Romans 1:22 - 1:32
Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Romans 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Romans 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Romans 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Romans 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Romans 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Romans 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Romans 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

1 Corinthians 6:9 - 6:11
1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1 Corinthians 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Jude 1: 7 - Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
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God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; This is why you "DO NOT!" give into the "SODOMITE LIFESTYLE".---
Fiona Barnett Candy Girl Documentary Part 1 of 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q3yH9EIPfs

Fiona Barnett Candy Girl Documentary Part 2 of 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soZpqrCji5c

https://fionabarnett.org/candy-girl/
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86129squids
Posted on Friday, December 20, 2019 - 02:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Have a sword fight if you wanna. Don't poke me. If there's fresh tuna, let me know.
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Patches
Posted on Friday, December 20, 2019 - 06:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you are looking for a good church in your area this website might help.

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http://militarygetsaved.tripod.com/
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Patches
Posted on Saturday, December 21, 2019 - 11:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

1965 recording? If I were the devil | remastered audio | Paul Harvey


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LWPcEo2gV0&list=P Lhf4nURNRfLXp6-ywvixezqnnOAsr1ohK&index=216
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H0gwash
Posted on Saturday, December 21, 2019 - 12:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Eerily prescient.
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Patches
Posted on Saturday, December 21, 2019 - 04:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

TRUMP'S EXECUTIVE ORDER OUTLAWS CHRISTIANITY IN AMERICA, DEFINES JESUS CHRIST AS ANTI-SEMITIC
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Pedo Trump - the Khazarian Mafia - BlackMail for All
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Aesquire
Posted on Saturday, December 21, 2019 - 10:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/ricky-gervais-de fends-women-j-k-rowling-against-hateful-transgende r-allies/

'Free speech' *sounds* good until you realise it's actually just code for being able to voice problematic opinions without being put in prison for them. Don't be fooled.

Satire too close to truth.

I should be smart enough to know a Kosher deli doesn't have bacon? Yes. Actually, I am. I'm also not an evil prick who would demand a BLT from someone who every moderately well educated adult should know has religious dietary laws.

I have to add that qualifier because knowing a Muslim is forbidden to eat pigs isn't some mythical species memory. Fear of falling? Maybe. A lady in a hijab is unlikely to want to touch bacon? That you have to learn. The education system And what it teaches today is a subject worthy of serious discussion. Elsewhere.

And it's highly likely some mean jerk will demand a BLT from a Jewish owner of a deli out of hate and a desire for fame.
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Aesquire
Posted on Saturday, December 21, 2019 - 10:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't want to pick on "trans" people. They are a tiny minority of us who are desperately unhappy with the body and role they were given at birth. I have a fairly close relative with this problem. They've had it for years, it's not a fad thing from school, or child abuse by mentally ill parents.

Not to say abuse and a mentally ill parent are not possible causes for their woes. But this isn't a five year old Mommy wants to be a girl and destroys their future. This is a young adult. Bright, troubled, and under stresses this old fart no longer gives a damn about.

All I can do is listen, try to be supportive, and give the best advice I can.

These people exist, and don't need mocking, they need help.

Then there's the jerks who freak out because someone says something that "triggers" them, like the self evident fact that 99+% of humans are born male or female. ( and there are far more hermaphrodites in Japanese comic books than the real world, but they do exist. )

Ben Shapiro sometimes nails it.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UtmuEw-27Kw

I long ago learned the rightness of an argument can often, but not always, he determined by the ability to make me understand the logic and present verifiable facts. It's entirely possible to fool me, if you are better at explaining than others. And if I am ignorant of the truth of your presented facts.

Religious discussions almost always involve belief in invisible, unprovable things, and often quotes from sacred texts. My simple scale from above fails in the absence of logic & facts. Faith is required, and reason. In carefully applied skepticism. Because I can point to religious texts written by evil men for evil purposes. Quote from them, too.

However, on matters of fact, when one side refuses to allow discussions, and is intolerant to other views, it's a good sign to look skeptically at that side of the argument.

Even then, sometimes, the right side of an argument can be represented by an impatient, intolerant person.
Heck, I've got a Doctor that I doubt would debate vaccination well. It doesn't take a lot of idiocy for him to tell someone to get out of his face so he can go back to doing something more important, like studying the best drugs to use in open heart surgery .
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Patches
Posted on Sunday, December 22, 2019 - 10:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Kosher deli doesn't have bacon"
It's OK to eat Pork.

Acts 10:12 - 10:18 King James Version (KJV)
12. Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
13. And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
14. But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
15. And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
16. This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.
17. Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,
18. And called, and asked whether Simon, which was surnamed Peter, were lodged there.
http://bibleq.net/answer/2267/

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"trans people".
LGBTQ??? Movement does go against the Teachings of the Bible, no way around it.
It is rebellion. Please give yourself to Jesus before it's too late.

Jeremiah 1:5 King James Version (KJV)
5. Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

Genesis 1:26-28 King James Version (KJV)
26. And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Genesis 2:18-24 King James Version (KJV)
18. And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
19. And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
20. And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
21. And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22. And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
23. And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
24. Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

1 Peter 3 King James Version (KJV)
5. For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:
6. Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.
7. Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.

Deuteronomy 22:5 King James Version (KJV)
5. The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God.

Proverbs 3:5-6 King James Version (KJV)
5. Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

1 Samuel 15:23 King James Version (KJV)
23. For rebellion [is as] the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness [is as] iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from [being] king.

Exodus 22:18 King James Version (KJV)
18. Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
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Aesquire
Posted on Sunday, December 22, 2019 - 03:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Are you seriously telling me one line from an English King's vanity project bible cancels over a thousand years ( 6000 odd cumulative between Jews and Muslims alone ) of religious dietary law? For people who don't use that book?

Sure feel free to use it to justify eating pork chops if you want to. I don't need any religious justification. ( but, funny enough, pork is one meat that I can indulge in because of medical diet restrictions. Go figure. Irony. )

I wouldn't go.preaching the pork is legal thing at some of our local delis. They might just laugh.

As to the rest of your cavalcade of rules... Are you an anti Christian anti bible agitator? Because your choices of patriarchal old fart rules is just what one of the fake Christians out to discredit the faith would pick.

Other than that I feel no need to comment on ancient laws that I feel no need to obey or punish others for breaking.

Oh, it's not all dreck. not all those old Jewish laws of behavior are stupid or bad. You are right that the LGBT...ETC. Activists are intolerant, and because they chose to divide & use hate between groups they define, evil. Some are pedos that deserve to be thrown to lions, or Iranian Mullahs, or other unpleasant fates.

Feel free to be enraged at the parents who virtue signal while destroying their children's lives.
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Patches
Posted on Sunday, December 22, 2019 - 05:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Law ---
Romans 3:28 King James Version (KJV)
28. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Galatians 2:16 King James Version (KJV)
16. Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Romans 10:4 King James Version (KJV)
4. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Matthew 5:17-20 King James Version (KJV)
17. Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20. For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Pork and Shellfish made Clean ---
Acts 10:15 King James Version (KJV)
15. And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

1 Timothy 4:3 - 4:5 King James Version (KJV)
3. Forbidding to marry, [and commanding] to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
4. For every creature of God [is] good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
5. For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

Romans 14:14 King James Version (KJV)
14.I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that [there is] nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him [it is] unclean.

Bible ---
2 Timothy 3:16-17 King James Version (KJV)
16. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17. That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Jesus Christ ---
John 8:58 King James Version (KJV)
58. Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

John 14:6 King James Version (KJV)
6. Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Matthew 6:24 King James Version (KJV)
24. No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

John 1:14 King James Version (KJV)
14. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

What it Means to be King James Only - Pastor Steven ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkbI651WHl8

"Worshipping Mary Is A Sin" (Queen of Heaven, Idols, Graven ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zu_3PwX-YOI

"Why We are Baptist" KJV Bible Preaching
https://www.faithfulwordbaptist.org/transcript_why _baptist.html
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Whisperstealth
Posted on Sunday, December 22, 2019 - 06:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Torquehd
Posted on Sunday, December 22, 2019 - 10:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The old law wasn't cancelled. It has been fulfilled. And therefore nullified. Jesus took the test and answered every question perfectly and even gave everyone else (who's willing to believe in Him) a passing grade, even though we all deserve big fat F's.

The big things obviously don't change. 10 commandments, abominations to God, etc. But the nit-noi details that were evidently set up for men to fail have failed.
So eat pork and shrimp, wear mixed fibers, retain your foreskin if you wish, sit where your wife sits when she's on the rag. You're not being judged by any of those metrics.
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Aesquire
Posted on Monday, December 23, 2019 - 04:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://biblehub.com/matthew/6-5.htm
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Patches
Posted on Monday, December 23, 2019 - 08:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Aesquire, ""Are you seriously telling me one line from an English King's vanity project bible cancels over a thousand years ( 6000 odd cumulative between Jews and Muslims alone ) of religious dietary law?""

1- I speak/read English only.

2- I believe King James Version of the Bible to be the True Word of God.
2 Timothy 3:16 King James Version (KJV)
16. All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

3- Without The Word you don't have The Son or The Father.
John 1:14 King James Version (KJV)
14. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
1 John 2:23 King James Version (KJV)
23. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
John 1:1 - 1:3 King James Version (KJV)
1. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2. The same was in the beginning with God.
3. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4- Pork - all was made Clean. Read Acts chapter 10, 1 Timothy chapter 4.

5- ""Are you an anti Christian anti bible agitator?"" No. I don't cater to the Judaizing Hebrew Roots Movement. I am Bible believing Baptist, I believe Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and my Savior.
I believe The Holy Trinity.
Matthew 28:19 King James Version (KJV)
19. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

6- I believe Faith Alone.
Ephesians 2:8 - 2:9 King James Version (KJV)
8. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
9. Not of works, lest any man should boast.

7- Catholic are not Christian.
"The Roman Catholic Inquisition" (Baptist KJV Bible Preaching ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oRdLXksZMg


Matthew 19:17 King James Version (KJV)
17. And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
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Aesquire
Posted on Monday, December 23, 2019 - 08:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/12/22/u-s- establishment-media-run-away-j-k-rowling-transgend er-debate/

It's sad that a complex question boils down to one side insisting there can be no other view.

In my simplistic way to make an initial cut on an argument, the folk acting like Nazi pricks that punish dissenting opinions are wrong.

It's not always the correct answer, but it's the answer that allows further discussion.
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H0gwash
Posted on Monday, December 23, 2019 - 10:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This is why freedom of speech and a civil tone is crucial when discussing religion. Not even the Christians can agree on everything.

What's important is not the agreement on any particular idea. It's the working together despite all the little disagreements that's important.

Merry Christmas to all (even though I'm ultimately an atheist)
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Patches
Posted on Monday, December 23, 2019 - 11:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

J.K. Rowling teaches Satanism and is a Reprobate Devil Antichrist.

Leviticus Chapter 19:26 King James Version (KJV)
26. Ye shall not eat [any thing] with the blood: neither shall ye use enchantment, nor observe times.
Leviticus Chapter 19:31 King James Version (KJV)
31. Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I [am] the LORD your God.

Leviticus 20:27 King James Version (KJV)
27. A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood [shall be] upon them.

Deuteronomy Chapter 18:9 - 14 King James Version (KJV)
9. When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.
10. There shall not be found among you [any one] that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, [or] that useth divination, [or] an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,
11. Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
12. For all that do these things [are] an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.
13. Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD thy God.
14. For these nations, which thou shalt possess, hearkened unto observers of times, and unto diviners: but as for thee, the LORD thy God hath not suffered thee so [to do].

Your article reminded me of Sex Magick like Aleister Crowley taught. J.K. Rowling want too Legalize Satanic Ritual Abuse, NAMBLA, no Age of Concent and teach the Children it's OK.
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