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Hootowl
Posted on Thursday, December 05, 2019 - 10:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I wouldn’t even buy it for bird cage liner. A sale is a sale. Same reason I don’t click on cnn or msnbc links. I don’t want their advertisers to think people actually read that crap.
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Patches
Posted on Thursday, December 05, 2019 - 10:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Trump out of court settlements paid to silence his victims and their families.
— Kelly Feuer, 12 years old, $1 million settlement paid in 1989, allegations of forced intercourse, Trump Towers, NY.
— Michael Parker, 10 years old, oral rape, Mar-a-Lago, FL. 1992. Trump paid his parents a $3 million settlement.
— Maria Olivera, 12 years old, her family was paid $16 million to settle allegations of forcible intercourse, occurring in Mar-a-Lago, FL in 1993.
— Charles Bacon, 11 years old, $3 million, allegations of oral and anal intercourse, 1994, Trump Towers, NY.
— Katie Johnson, 13 years old, rape, Jeffrey Epstein’s mansion (71 St.), NY. 1994.
— Kevin Noll, 11 years old, anal rape, Trump Towers, NY. 1998. Settlement details unknown.
— Rebecca Conway, 13 years old, intercourse and oral sex. Trump Vineyard Estates, Charlottesville, VA., 2012. $5 million.

https://googletrumpisachildrapist.com/2018/01/27/t he-journey-begins/
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Hootowl
Posted on Thursday, December 05, 2019 - 11:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Holy crap, you’re gullible.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2016/06/23/donald-trum p-rape-lawsuit/
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Aesquire
Posted on Thursday, December 05, 2019 - 11:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If true then I'd be happy to pull the lever on the execution. Heck, give me the old axe, it's more humane than lethal injection. And I'm anti capital punishment.

But the election was 3 years ago and none of the now useless major news organizations bothered to uncover this? 7 cases going back to 1989? They chose Trump to be the loser to Clinton. That's why they didn't bother to report diddle on the other R candidates. That and The Bad Orange Man was awesome for quick headline sound bites, and great for ratings.

They could have made Watergate a pitiful blip with a story of child rape by a Presidential candidate! Hillary would be in the White House!

What possible reason do I have to believe that this website is anything other than the most blatant case of the Democrat Party strategy of blaming others for crimes they actually committed?
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Aesquire
Posted on Thursday, December 05, 2019 - 11:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

And in the real world.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/iran-is-secre tly-moving-missiles-into-iraq-us-officials-say/ar- BBXM675

I'm going to lay the basic blame here on Bush the Younger's poor judgment on the occupation and creation of Iraq's cruddy government. Bad advice and an insane State Dept. Certainly didn't help.

We needed to follow the WW2 Japanese post war rehabilitation model. That's the rare case of establishing a Republic out of a dictatorship that worked. ( probably because it was a very Roman model )

I don't think Bush was an idiot, He was a fighter pilot. That doesn't say anything about maturity, and to be honest, you can teach a chimp to fly a hang glider, or a Cessna. But he flew F-102s and those will kill you if you don't have some smarts. IMHO an above room temperature IQ, but not Saudi desert numbers. ( to be fair, I haven't flown a F-102, I could be wrong )

I don't know Bush's motives, but I believe he was a political animal who assembled a staff to do his thinking for him. And listened to some very wrong folk. Got some stuff right too. Meh.

To be fair, Barry also gets the excuse of Bad advice and an insane State Dept. There's multiple possible motives for his foreign policy, and I don't know which ones are accurate.

I've got opinions, but can't know another's heart. I don't want to buy into any cult of personality, and I'm pretty much peak cynical today. Meh.

Have a great day and keep your powder dry.
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Aesquire
Posted on Thursday, December 05, 2019 - 11:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That Snopes article is just a report on another article from 2016. I didn't see a rebuttal or rating. Did I miss it?

Don't care who they are. If guilty and properly tried in a fair court, I don't want child rapists and slavers in my society.
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Patches
Posted on Thursday, December 05, 2019 - 12:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jeffrey Epstein is dead.

"As of now, all of the information about this lawsuit comes solely from the complaint filed by “Katie Johnson,” and no one has as yet located, identified, or interviewed her. She was scheduled to appear at a press conference on 2 November 2016 but didn’t show up, claiming that threats to her life kept her away. She reportedly dropped the lawsuit again on 4 November 2016 for the same reason.

A status conference for the lawsuit was scheduled to be held on 16 December 2016."

https://www.snopes.com/news/2016/06/23/donald-trum p-rape-lawsuit/

Democrats Guilty,
Republicans Not-Guilty.
Based on what Standard?
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Sifo
Posted on Thursday, December 05, 2019 - 12:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

As of now, all of the information about this lawsuit comes solely from the complaint filed by “Katie Johnson,” and no one has as yet located, identified, or interviewed her.

And this is reason to assume guilt? Have you seen the number of people who have actually come forward to attack Trump and his supporters that have been proven to be completely dishonest? Sounds like this is just one of those who got cold feet before getting used like a condom by the liberals.

Based on what Standard?

It's called evidence.
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Patches
Posted on Thursday, December 05, 2019 - 12:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

How does a "13" Year Old Child get Cold Feet when She is about to get used like an Old Condom by a "48" Year Old Man?
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Sifo
Posted on Thursday, December 05, 2019 - 01:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Did she even exist? Not to anyone's knowledge apparently, according to what you wrote. Amazing that this is ignored by even the most anti-trump MSM. They just make stuff up, and won't touch this BS.
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H0gwash
Posted on Thursday, December 05, 2019 - 01:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't think Independents take that kind of material very seriously. It is the Independents whose opinions matter because the hardcore Republicans and Democrats are hopelessly deadlocked.
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Patches
Posted on Thursday, December 05, 2019 - 03:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Katie Johnson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbFJWo3gdRI

There is no difference between Republicans and Democrats. They Drink from the same Cup of Elitism. Above the Law. Belief that Democrats can Commit Vile Acts and Republicans cannot is Moronic.
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Hootowl
Posted on Thursday, December 05, 2019 - 03:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That’s absolutely true. But the left has made so many baseless accusations, many of them conjured up from whole cloth, that my default position is to not believe them until they can definitively prove it. Trump is a child rapist is one such farcical claim.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Thursday, December 05, 2019 - 04:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

There's a difference between "Collusion" / "quid pro quo", and being ON CAMERA saying "I leave in six hours and if he's not fired, you don't get 15 billion dollars...sonofabitch, he got fired".

The trend is, if a Democrat makes the accusation, it's built on sand, and lies, and unicorn farts.

Also part of the trend - if a Republican makes an accusation, there is actual evidence behind it.

Neither party is made of saints...but the Left definitely lives in fantasy-land when it comes to accusations, and not getting what they want, and getting butt-hurt about it.
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S2t_bama
Posted on Thursday, December 05, 2019 - 04:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What's interesting about that list, is that I don't see anything about any criminal charges being filed. That, despite the fact that it's a list of heinous crimes.
I wonder why the families of the victims didn't support them in filing complaints to the police?
Is it possible that it has to do with the fact that there are laws with serious consequences against filing false police reports, but no such repercussions for frivolous or baseless lawsuits?
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Ducbsa
Posted on Thursday, December 05, 2019 - 04:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't think all Independents are such discerning saints. A lot of them just can't make up their minds. On the other hand, my brother-in-law claims to be an independent, but is a lefty.
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Ourdee
Posted on Thursday, December 05, 2019 - 05:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think a lot of peeps claim Independent to avoid being attacked by others.
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Sifo
Posted on Thursday, December 05, 2019 - 05:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What's interesting about that list, is that I don't see anything about any criminal charges being filed.

DING, DING, DING!!!

Trump is known for throwing Epstein out of Mar-a-lago when his pedophilia was brought out. Clinton is known for flying the Lolita Express 26 times. This isn't a partisan, our guy good, your guy bad thing. It's the known facts. The left wing media wouldn't touch these stories in the 2016 election. If they felt they could stir some solid facts on that crap, you know they would have. They still haven't. Why? They tried with many other sex scandals. The worst they came up with was probable consensual sex with a porn worker. Does anyone really think that they wouldn't have crucified him as a pedophile if they could come up with the dirt? Wouldn't Hillary have used this info in the election? Instead she ran with other, proven to be made up scandals. Seriously, why has virtually EVERYBODY ignored this stuff?
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Patches
Posted on Thursday, December 05, 2019 - 06:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Clinton is known for flying the Lolita Express 26 times."

Trump had his own Ride.

Trump had two 234 Commercial Chinook choppers and three 24-seat Sikorsky S-61 choppers that plied the Hamptons route.
(Airliners cannot land on Little St. James.)

http://www.danspapers.com/2017/01/trumps-choppers- from-1989-92-trump-ran-a-hamptons-helicopter-servi ce/

On April 30, 1961, Eastern inaugurated Eastern Air Lines Shuttle. Initially 95-seat Lockheed Constellation 1049s and 1049Cs left New York-LaGuardia every two hours, 8 am to 10 pm, to Washington National and to Boston.[13] Flights soon became hourly, 7 am to 10 pm out of each city. Shuttle emphasized convenience and simplicity—revolutionary in an era when air travel was considered a luxury.

Internationalization began as Eastern opened routes to markets such as Santo Domingo and Nassau, Bahamas. Services from San Juan, Puerto Rico's Luis Muńoz Marín International Airport were expanded. In 1967, Eastern purchased Mackey Airlines, a small air carrier primarily operating in Florida and the Bahamas as part of this expansion.

In 1989, Lorenzo sold Eastern Air Lines Shuttle to real estate mogul Donald Trump (who named it the Trump Shuttle) while selling other parts of Eastern to his Texas Air holding company and its subsidiary, Continental Airlines, at terms disadvantageous to Eastern.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Air_Lines
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Patches
Posted on Thursday, December 05, 2019 - 07:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jul 17, 2019 - Newly found footage from NBC News' archives shows Donald Trump ... Donald Trump, Jeffrey Epstein At A '92 Party
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ad1ysX2iLmA

Oct 12, 2016 - A New York Times report shares the accounts of two women who say Donald Trump inappropriately touched
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L35mQ3zwL5Q

Oct 12, 2016 - Donald Trump greets a group of young girls at Trump Tower.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRAPLodRnd4

Jun 23, 2018 - There are a lot of aspects of Donald Trump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h8XzB6-m1s
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Sifo
Posted on Thursday, December 05, 2019 - 08:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Patches, you really need to examine the time line of all the dots you are connecting. I think you will find that you are making connections of things that didn't are separated by time in a way that simply doesn't make sense. This is not unlike the Johnson lawsuit where she never came forward until Trump is running for President. This would be questionable under normal circumstances, but it became a pattern for the Dems against Trump and those associated with Trump. Trump is quite a flawed person IMO, but this stuff is just baseless allegations that don't add up. It's kind of sad that you can't see that.
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Hootowl
Posted on Thursday, December 05, 2019 - 10:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

And as has been already stated, if there were a smidgen of truth to any of this, the press and the democrats (but I repeat myself) would be on it like stink on shit.
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Patches
Posted on Friday, December 06, 2019 - 12:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Trump had as many reasons to want(or not) Epstein dead as Clinton.
Jeffrey Epstein is in Hell and Torment Burning for Eternity.

Tax brakes for the Top One Percent does not help the other Ninety Nine Percent.
Reaganomics Has Destroyed The Middle Class, waiting for over 30 years for something to "trickle down".

Where are the Jobs Trump Created? Canada, Mexico, Russia or Israel.

If You are not on the "D.C. Elite Social List" You are not Rich. Being Republican(or Democrat) Availeth you Nothing.
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Sifo
Posted on Friday, December 06, 2019 - 06:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Where are the Jobs Trump Created? Canada, Mexico, Russia or Israel.

Short on time, heading to work soon so this will be short, and only on one of your points. I have Fox Business News on right now and they are discussing the fact that we are at 3.8% employment. 4% has always been considered "full employment. It seems we have jobs!
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Patches
Posted on Friday, December 06, 2019 - 08:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

60 percent of Americans live at or below the poverty line. Three times as many as the Great Depression. The Employment numbers just don't Add Up. AS I stated "Where are the Jobs Trump Created?" they Sure As HELL! not here.

https://www.googleadservices.com/pagead/aclk?sa=L& ai=DChcSEwjXxeuijKHmAhXKwMgKHQaMCXQYABAAGgJxdQ&oho st=www.google.com&cid=CAASE-RorzX4wdM0f8RWVn0lyIdk -WE&sig=AOD64_2Kq4x0LCclkWwIR7__sVx6R8DO4A&q=&ved= 2ahUKEwj64eKijKHmAhVHmlkKHWqDDTgQ0Qx6BAgOEAE&adurl =
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Sifo
Posted on Friday, December 06, 2019 - 08:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

60 percent of Americans live at or below the poverty line.

Citation please. Or should I just provide one?

BTW, just got home from my AM shift. Turned on FBN. Unemployment in the new jobs report is 3.5%! 266K jobs created in November!
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Hootowl
Posted on Friday, December 06, 2019 - 09:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Patches, from your posts in this thread, you appear to be the victim of leftist fever dreams and conspiracy theories. You also appear to be making stuff up, since you didn't provide a citation for the 60% figure. It's pretty easy to demonstrate that you are incorrect.

https://www.google.com/search?q=percentage+of+us+p opulation+at+or+below+poverty+level&rlz=1C1GCEU_en US824US824&oq=percent+of+us+population+at+or+below &aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l7.17603j0j7&sourceid=chrome& ie=UTF-8

So, what's the issue here? Are you trolling us, or are you that ill informed?
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Sifo
Posted on Friday, December 06, 2019 - 09:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Trump had as many reasons to want(or not) Epstein dead as Clinton.
Jeffrey Epstein is in Hell and Torment Burning for Eternity.


What reasons? Clinton is documented being flown there 26 times! Trump, you assume he flew himself there. Pardon me if I don't just take your word for it. There needs to be some verifiable proof.

Tax brakes for the Top One Percent does not help the other Ninety Nine Percent.
Reaganomics Has Destroyed The Middle Class, waiting for over 30 years for something to "trickle down".


More dishonesty on your part. All tax brackets got a tax break. Since then the economy and job market has been doing very well, increasing demand for workers, which of course increases the price of workers. That would be wages.

Where are the Jobs Trump Created? Canada, Mexico, Russia or Israel.

Of course if Pelosi would get USMCA passed we would have a much better agreement with Canada and Mexico that would benefit US workers. Still, the jobs report today is very positive. USMCA would just make it great. Call your representative and tell them to make it happen! Instead they are looking for something to impeach Trump for. I assume that eventually they will settle on something.

If You are not on the "D.C. Elite Social List" You are not Rich. Being Republican(or Democrat) Availeth you Nothing.

Very vague, but quite untrue. There's plenty of rich folks that stay far from DC. There is a real problem in DC though. Far too much money being spread around in bad ways. Far too many politicians that get rich. You shouldn't get rich as a public servant. PERIOD. Trump is working to fix some of that, but there is a huge push back in the swamp. Just take a look at what the Dems are doing instead of passing USMCA. If this is an issue for you, Trump should be your guy.
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Xbduck
Posted on Friday, December 06, 2019 - 09:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Closest number I can find to this is povertyusa.org statement that 29.9% of Americans have an income less than 2X their poverty threshold.

They state that the 2018 poverty rate was at 11.8%.

Another interesting item they state is that 6.9% of the employed are in poverty.
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Hootowl
Posted on Friday, December 06, 2019 - 09:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Speaking of jobs, here's more good news.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/november-jobs- report-employment-data
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