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Jaimec
Posted on Tuesday, November 05, 2019 - 03:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.cycleworld.com/harley-davidson-pan-ame rica/



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Aesquire
Posted on Tuesday, November 05, 2019 - 09:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/harley-gives -a-first-glimpse-at-new-revolution-max-engine

Interesting. I want more specs!

A buddy has been trying to get me on a Gold Wing. Not my cuppa. This? hmm. There's all sorts of funky in the styling, but it looks like they kept some lines to tie it into legacy products and customers.

They need younger riders to stay afloat, and something to be perceived as more fun than Candy Crush. I wish them luck.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Tuesday, November 05, 2019 - 09:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hmmmm...

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Whisperstealth
Posted on Tuesday, November 05, 2019 - 11:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

They are only TEN YEARS too late to the party.

Super sad seeing as how they were positioned well in time with Buell...
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Aesquire
Posted on Wednesday, November 06, 2019 - 02:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It wouldn't surprise me too much if it's too little too late to keep the company going, but even though there were people there in charge that made horrible decisions from my point of view, I don't hate the company. Lots of good people work hard there.

Now, you want to get angry, look at Kodak. A succession of CEO's looted the company, got mansions and exotic cars for signing bonuses, sold off every part that actually made money or sense, then took massive bonuses, and ran. Then the "leadership" screwed every retired person by spending the pension money, went bankrupt to avoid paying all their creditors, then gave themselves a Bonus for getting away with it, and the bankrupt ( pun intended ) court let them.

And that skips over the fact that this is the company that invented modern digital photography, made the best copiers in the world, ( so good REDACTED but that's probably still classified. I worked on that project ) Built a Hubble telescope backup mirror that wasn't myopic, And had other projects that were seriously bleeding edge, and still haven't hit the market. But Corporate leadership kept making the noises that I now know mean "We are looting the company and don't care about the employees, stockholders, community, or the ecological disaster we are going to stick the City with."

Hint, These words and actions tell you to dump the stock and maybe tell the FBI to check for fraud.

"We are returning to the company's Core Competency/talents/business" ( we won't sell anything new, because that would cut our bonus )

They demolish buildings on their property to reduce taxes. ( and bury toxic waste under rubble )

They use the term "new paradigm", or promise that the old business cycles don't apply anymore. ( it's not, they do )

The company gives gray market Porches and a 150 year old freshly renovated mansion in the most expensive part of town.

And they don't make anything new.

In Comparison, Harley has a shot. Good luck.
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Sifo
Posted on Wednesday, November 06, 2019 - 05:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Sifo
Posted on Wednesday, November 06, 2019 - 05:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I do have to say that that fairing or headlight housing, whatever they call it, looks hideous IMO. Is the adventure bike market really that big in the US? From what I've gleaned of a very good Triumph, Ducati, KTM dealer, it's a pretty small segment of the marketplace. Glad to see them expanding their line up, but I don't see this being any kind of a game changer for them. Then there's the question of how many dealers will park them in a back corner and ignore anyone who walks in and goes back to look at them.
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Gregtonn
Posted on Wednesday, November 06, 2019 - 09:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The styling looks Franken70s with a muffler straight from the John Deere Ag division.
That being said at least they see the need for something different.

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Crusty
Posted on Wednesday, November 06, 2019 - 09:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

A Bronx Cheer


Harley is displaying their new models at the EICMA show in Milan. I think itís in Milan, this year, but I could be wrong. The location doesnít matter; I wonít be going.

Anyhow, the new bikes are on display. They have 60 degree water cooled OHC engines, have high rev limits and make a lot of horsepower. And the styling is different. They donít look like Harleys, but they donít look like anything else, either. To be honest, I find the Bronx kind of attractive. I had a couple of Buell Ulyssesí Ė an í06 XB12X and an í08 XB12XT Ė and I really donít care for bikes that sit that tall. So I only have a passing interest in the Pan American. The Pan-Am has a chain final drive, but I canít tell if the Bronx does the same. Both bikes will be 2021 models, so Iíll find out soon enough. And though I do kind of like the Bronx at first sight, itís nowhere near as pretty as my Gentlemanís Express will be.

Iím getting a kick out of all the ďInternet ExpertsĒ who are piling heaps of scornful derision on the bikes. They know every reason why the bikes are going to be failures. Theyíve never ridden one or even sat on one; hell, theyíve never even seen one, except in a couple of pictures, but theyíre certain that the bikes will be colossal flops. They ďknowĒ the bikes are going to be too heavy even though no weights have been stated and the information released leads me to think the weight wonít be so bad. The engine is a stressed member of the bike and the bike has a trellis frame; those are weight reducing elements. The ďexpertsĒ also know that the bikes donít make enough horsepower. Everybody knows that you need at least 350 HP or nobody will buy one. The KTM makes 40 more HP, or the Kawasuki Turbo race bike makes a Brazillion HP. If it doesnít make that much, nobody will buy one. My Roadster makes something like 60 HP, I think and Iíve managed to pick up a couple of speeding tickets on it. It keeps up with the faster traffic on the Interstate and Iím quite happy with its performance. Happy enough that Iím going to buy another one in the coming year.

One thing I know; when they start offering Demo rides, Iíll take one out. It was a Demo ride that hooked me on Buells and it was a Demo ride that soured me on Triumphs. Maybe Iíll be pleasantly surprised and will get hooked on one. I donít expect it, but until I take that ride, Iíll never know.

In the meantime, Iíll look at pictures and check out details and Iíll reserve judgement.

But itís nice to see the MoFoCo making something new and different.
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Aesquire
Posted on Wednesday, November 06, 2019 - 11:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ugly? Remember the original Willie G. Tail? ; )

Or the BMW that looks like the cartoon cat with different sizes eyes?

I'm with Crusty!

Although I liked my test ride on a Speed Triple. Not enough to buy, when my Cyclone calls me to ride.

With "only" 91 stock ponies and a top speed of 135mph, ( which it does at will ) my Cyclone is far more bike than most can use to the limits, if they are self honest.
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Aesquire
Posted on Wednesday, November 06, 2019 - 11:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sifo, I agree the adventure bike market is a tiny niche. But perhaps a better seller in Europe and Asia and Africa and S. America!

Maybe the chopper look is just a local fad too...
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Sifo
Posted on Wednesday, November 06, 2019 - 01:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sifo, I agree the adventure bike market is a tiny niche. But perhaps a better seller in Europe and Asia and Africa and S. America!

I was just thinking the same thing. I'm pretty sure the dealer I mentioned that said adventure bikes are a small slice, had mentioned that this isn't a universal thing around the world.
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Jaimec
Posted on Wednesday, November 06, 2019 - 04:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Around the world, Adventure bikes are the HOTTEST selling bikes. Why do you think everybody (including Benelli and MV Agusta) have been jumping on the bandwagon?

Adventure bikes are to the rest of the world what SUVs are to "Murricans."
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Crusty
Posted on Wednesday, November 06, 2019 - 06:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

SUV stands for Sport Utility Vehicle. Shouldn't an Adventure bike be known as a Sport Utility Cycle or a SUC?
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Pwnzor
Posted on Wednesday, November 06, 2019 - 06:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Jaimec
Posted on Thursday, November 07, 2019 - 07:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

SUV stands for Sport Utility Vehicle. Shouldn't an Adventure bike be known as a Sport Utility Cycle or a SUC?




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Pwnzor
Posted on Thursday, November 07, 2019 - 07:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)



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