| Author | Message | ||
     Sifo |
To me, it looks too much like someone photoshopped the tank and fairing onto something else. The rear fender has the styling cues of my camper. It's a good looking camper BTW.  | ||
| Jaimec |
On a side note here, Crusty: Now that David Robb has left BMW, they're no longer building motorcycles that look like they've suffered a concussion...  | ||
| Rick_a |
The headlight shroud looks like something out of an old Dennis Kirk catalog. Like guns, I like most of 'em, would try most any of 'em if offered, but would buy very few. | ||
| Mnscrounger |
Ourdee: I like Kung Bo Shrimp, and Egg Foo Yung, but not enough to waft the scent into the liner of my helmet. | ||
| Skntpig |
750 Nm and 2.7 sec 0-100kph? I would guess the Flow was way quicker. I’m also guessing there’s never a situation that the motor actually produces that in the chassis but instead strapped to a dyno. Seems interesting for sure. | ||
| Torquehd |
This post will make me unpopular. The Fllow is ugly. The EBR models were beautiful. "modern proportions", i think was the term they used. The Fllow looks like someone from 1989 designed a motorcycle for back to the future. | ||
| Jaimec |
You're not alone. I'm not really a fan of the Fllow's looks either but in functional terms it really is quite amazing. Function before form, definitely. OTOH, there is absolutely nothing practical about the Livewire. | ||
| Ourdee |
Jesse, An opinion on aesthetics should have no effect on your popularity. I do not like the paint job, but recognize what a great canvas it could be. I think a rusty rat rod paint scheme could be neat or...... | ||
| Midknyte |
https://techxplore.com/news/2019-10-lithium-ion-ba ttery-electric-vehicle.html "...Scientist have developed a lithium ion battery that charges at an elevated temperature to increase reaction rate but keeps the cell cool during discharge, showing the potential to add 200 miles of driving range to an electric car in 10 minutes..." | ||
| Jaimec |
Last year I'd read an article regarding Tesla developing 1GW chargers for the Model3. When the car sensed that it was approaching one of these stations, it would start heating up the battery to the optimum temperature to accept that charge. The feature was ONLY going to be available for Model3 cars, though (maybe the upcoming ModelY). The older (and more expensive) cars wouldn't be able to utilize them. | ||
| Ourdee |
Tesla cars can be programmed to raise their suspension height where speed bumps are. | ||
| Sifo |
Tesla cars can be programmed to raise their suspension height where speed bumps are. That's actually pretty slick. | ||
| Ourdee |
Every time I towed one with flat tires on one side from a chuck hole, I would program the car to raise all the way up if it was in that area again. Maybe they would see the hole next time. | ||
| Blake |
Just imagine if ten years ago they'd let Erik and associates loose to develop an electric bike. Still THE single most short-sighted and idiotic business decision I've seen. I still can't stomach the idea of riding any Harley, let alone an aesthetic abomination like this. | ||
| Oopezoo |
I can confirm the model 3 does this. When approaching a supercharger on an extended trip it heats its own battery to prepare for the onslaught of current it is about to receive. Its a necessity for the LiIon cells to be able to handle it safely. I have 5-6 coworkers with model 3s. We are getting quite the collection of electrics and PHEVs now......a Honda Clarity, 3-4 model S, a model X, an E-Golf, and 4-5 Chevy Volts (mine included). If the coming electric bikes in the pipeline are as good as the electric cars on the road currently, its only a matter of time before the ICE is a niche product. I love my stable of bikes, and things like my S1 are irreplaceable to me, but for a daily rider........it wouldn't take much for me to jump to electric. I don't like the looks of the Livewire either, and the price is laughable, but its a starting point. It won't take long for things to get better. I've always been more concerned with what things feel like from the cockpit and what a bike is capable of, looks have always been 2nd fiddle to me........but thats me. There will always be a place for a loud stinky toy in my garage, but I'm 100% in on electrics being the future and its going to be awesome. I just hope someone else other than HD corners the market. | ||
| Rick_a |
The continuing problem with electric bikes is that 20G gets 10G performance with a limited range as compared to their petrol burning counterparts. I like the idea of essentially nothing but daily charging and little but chassis maintenance over hundreds of thousands of miles...but damn...the nice ones...even the not so nice ones, are still too damn expensive.  | ||
| Jaimec |
Keep in mind: Electric bikes are expensive to purchase, cheap to own. ICE bikes are the opposite: Cheap to purchase, expensive to own. The longer you keep your bikes, the better off you are with electric. This from a guy who still rides a 20 year old BMW. | ||
| Torquehd |
Until it comes time to replace those batteries.... I'm still waiting for a Nuclear motorcycle to be developed. (Message edited by Torquehd on November 03, 2019) | ||
| Zane |
As an around town, daily commuter I think electric makes sense. But I keep coming back to range and time of charge. Say someone comes out with a 250 mile range bike. Great. But if I'm trying to get to from Phoenix to Las Vegas, do I need to plan a 5 hour rest stop each way for a battery charge? That just doesn't work for me. I think the answer for mobile energy is Hydrogen. | ||
| Ourdee |
Or a mono-wheel trailer with an ICE driven generator. And a stack with a flapper Mad Max style. | ||
| Ourdee |
OR... An ICE driven one wheel trailer and a stack with a flapper Mad Max style. Use regen. braking to recharge while the trailer pushes. What has become of the Hero (spit) generator bike? | ||
| Pwnzor |
My z costs next to nothing to own. Next argument. | ||
| Crusty |
I like my Roadster. | ||
| Jaimec |
Not everyone has access to a free gasoline supply... OTOH, with my solar panels (and the new employee-only charge stations at the office) I do have access to free electricity. | ||
| Froggy |
Then replace them. It is not a big deal and by time it happens, newer better tech is available and your "old" bike can be better than new. Both my hybrid cars have had the batteries replaced with higher capacity units. | ||
| Rick_a |
The biggest expense in owning a motorcycle is tires. 10K buys a lot of gas and oil changes. | ||
| Jaimec |
...spark plugs, coolant, valve shims, filters, gaskets, throttle body adjustments, timing... | ||
| Crusty |
In the early part of the 20th century, you could use many of the same arguments for why a horse was better than a motorcycle. The limitations will be overcome and the electric bike will be the future. I have nothing against progress. My grandfather died young because of a heart problem; I had my Aortic Valve replaced with a stainless and carbon mechanical valve and my heart was then in the best shape it had been in for my entire adult life. Electric bikes are the wave of the Future. They aren't capable of doing what I require yet, but they will be. I'm looking forward to it. | ||
| Sifo |
Electric bikes are the wave of the Future. They aren't capable of doing what I require yet, but they will be. Maybe. Maybe not. The future is very hard to predict. It may be an energy source not even in the public eye yet. CFL lighting was supposed to be the future. Even with a big push by the government, they have been leapfrogged by LED lighting for many applications. Honestly, with the direction that transportation is going, more autonomous and the younger generation having less interest in the driving experience, I wouldn't be too surprised if the MC market shrinks into oblivion in the coming decades. But as I said, the future is difficult to predict. | ||
| Jaimec |
Right now my Zero is the PERFECT "Second bike." It suits 90-95% of my riding, which is commuting, morning rides for fun, running errands, shopping, meeting friends, etc. Not EVERY ride is trans continental. For long trips, I still have my ICE bikes, BUT the fact that I'm riding my Zero 95% of the time saves wear and tear (and the accompanying costs) on my ICE bikes. I still do 15,000 -- 20,000 miles on two wheels every year, but instead of bringing my LT in for service twice a year it's more like twice every THREE years. Since the maintenance service on my 2018 Subaru is pretty much free for the first few years, that doesn't count yet. |
