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Pwnzor
Posted on Thursday, September 26, 2019 - 08:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you're deep webbing it... you'll also want to use a double VPN connection.

NordVPN works well. And it's cheap.
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Torquehd
Posted on Thursday, September 26, 2019 - 10:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I thought a TOR worked better than/ regardless of/ a VPN. I also thought you had to be on a TOR to use the dark web. I downloaded a TOR but never found a reason to use it. Google Incognito plus my VPN gives me a moderate sense of security.

Anyway, Bill Whittle, spot on it as usual.
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Crusty
Posted on Friday, September 27, 2019 - 07:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Headline from NBC this morning on MSN:

'Total panic' as White House struggles to find impeachment footing

They screwed up. They didn't use the word Chaos!
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Ratbuell
Posted on Friday, September 27, 2019 - 07:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bill is spot on, but he needs to take it a step further. There's the argument that Trump only talked to the president of Ukraine about this to help his campaign, and that Biden went after the crooked prosecutor because that prosecutor was crooked and he did it in the name of global justice and good.

Maybe...just maybe...President Trump isn't doing this to help his campaign - maybe that's a byproduct. Maybe his TRUE goal is to keep a criminal out of the White House, for the sake of the American people. Maybe his TRUE goal is - still - to drain the swamp, and keeping swamp critters from being elected in the first place is the most effective way to drain it.

I honestly believe our President isn't doing this for himself - he hasn't done ANY of this for himself, he could have sat at Mar-a-Lago and counted his money and ignored all of it.

But he didn't.

I won't say he "walked away" from all that...but he has certainly put it on hold, and has endured endless heartache and abuse since the day he walked down that escalator.

And, he's done it for US.

And I think THAT'S what scares the DC establishment the most - he ISN'T self-serving, he ISN'T doing this for greed or for personal advancement...and as such, he can't be bought, cajoled, or threatened into submission. He truly has the interests of this great Nation in his heart, and they simply don't comprehend that...hence the fear, and the ad hominem attacks - because they don't know how else to fight something they don't understand.
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Aesquire
Posted on Friday, September 27, 2019 - 08:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://meaninginhistory.blogspot.com/2019/09/impe achment-be-careful-what-you-wish-for.html#more

Impeachment as the Ultimate Trump win.
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Sifo
Posted on Friday, September 27, 2019 - 12:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Want to see heads explode? The might have the votes to impeach. I really doubt the Senate would vote to remove him, but imagine if they had enough (R) never-Trumpers to remove him. Then imagine him winning next year's election... I don't think there's anything to keep him from taking office again at that point. There were literally people screaming at the sky last time. The poor snowflakes would be absolutely suicidal!
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Chauly
Posted on Friday, September 27, 2019 - 02:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Tom,
I think one of the consequences of conviction by the senate is a prohibition against running for any public office, but hey, what do I know, I've never seen a successful impeachment...
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Gregtonn
Posted on Friday, September 27, 2019 - 02:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

re: Impeachment

There have been several successful Impeachments including Bill Clinton. He was Impeached in the House but was not convicted by the Senate.

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Sifo
Posted on Friday, September 27, 2019 - 07:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It was my understanding that impeachment is just a political process to remove someone from office before their term is up. I would think, and certainly hope that such a political process could be reversed by the vote of the people in the next election. Of course I could be wrong on that point. I can't see this getting to the point of the Senate convicting, so the rest of the unlikely scenario would never play out that way.

If it did manage to play out that way, I would bet on it going to the Supreme Court.
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Torquehd
Posted on Friday, September 27, 2019 - 07:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Impeachment doesn't remove someone from office. IIRC It's an investigation and judgement process that is supposed to determine whether the person being impeached is guilty of a stated crime or not. You can be impeached and remain in office. Bill Clinton was impeached but remained in office.
I'm sure someone knows more about this and can fill in more info than I can. I researched this a few years ago and don't remember all the details.
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Sifo
Posted on Friday, September 27, 2019 - 07:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You are correct. Impeachment is the political equivalent of criminal indictment. The other part of the process is trial, with the Senate as Jury. Only upon conviction is the removal from office to happen.
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Aesquire
Posted on Saturday, September 28, 2019 - 03:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/09/snitc hes_and_rats_and_backstabbers__geraldo_rivera_of_a ll_people_sympathizes_with_trump.html

Go Jerry!

If I understand it, The Bad Orange Man is accused of doing what several ( 3? ) Democrat Congressmen did in fact, do, ask a foreign government to investigate their political enemies. I'm told This is a Crime! And worth impeachment, ( if they are a Democrat ) Or execution ( if they are a Republican ) although no one has actually mentioned what law, exactly, has been violated.

I don't like Trump. Never did, probably never will. But by golly I admire the man for having such enemies.
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Aesquire
Posted on Saturday, September 28, 2019 - 06:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/how-gop-will-a nswer-pelosis-pre-planned-lawfare-assisted-impeach ment-plan

No minority participation in the impeachment process?
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Ratbuell
Posted on Saturday, September 28, 2019 - 07:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I still don't think it can get through the Senate (GOP majority)...but I'm more concerned with how Pelosi was able to push through NEW RULES that contradict our Constitution, as far as impeachment proceedings go. That alone should be grounds to get her and her kind out of office - you don't go changing the rules as spelled out in the document that CREATED our nation.

I pray Barr has something up his sleeve, being a true Constitutionalist and I believe a 3d chess player like our President...
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Steveford
Posted on Sunday, September 29, 2019 - 05:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I can't wait to see what else they hid on that server.
And the Helsinki notes he confiscated after his private meeting with Putin.

Yes, I know, don't believe your eyes and ears as what's happening isn't what's really happening, truth is not truth, Deep State, Fake News, totally corrupt enemy of the people reporting on what I'm doing, etc.

The Russians were the ones who gave Trump the idea to run for President when he was playing Mr. Beauty Pageant over in Moscow. You know, the one where he'd walk into the dressing room to inspect the merchandise.

What does that tell you? Do you think Russia wanted to do us a favor?
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Aesquire
Posted on Sunday, September 29, 2019 - 07:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yet it was The Bad Orange Man's opponent that took massive multi million dollar bribes from Putin's buddies. Investigation is ongoing. It is The Bad Orange Man who's policies have frustrated Vladimir in owning Europe with Energy dependence, so far.

If Russia supported Trump they screwed up.

How many times does the Press have to lie to you with malicious intent to believe they are, indeed, The Enemy of The People?

How many times will you believe the Party of The Klan that someone else is racist?

Senator from New York on the intelligence bureaucracy. ( deep state ) https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/schumer-warns-t rump-intel-officials-have-six-ways-from-sunday-at- getting-back-at-you

I don't like the Bad Orange Man. Never did. He's full of crap. Egotistical, blunt, rude.

Just look at the facts available on video.

He asked Russia to hold off on rocking the boat & promised Putin he'd have more flexibility after the election to stop missile defence. Oh, wait, that was Barack.

He took millions for his money laundering charity organization to approve the sale of an American Uranium company to friends of Vladimir. Oh, wait, that was Obama's Sec State.

He told Iran to just wait until after the election because then the President who opposed their conquest of the region would be replaced by one sympathetic to them. Oh, wait, that was Obama's other Sec State.

In short, I agree with you that I'd like to see the highly classified documents in deals made by the White House to see who belongs in Prison.

Then you repeat a bunch of indoctrination lies.

Hate to ruin your day but the Left lies to you. Don't be a fool.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Sunday, September 29, 2019 - 07:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I thought a TOR worked better than/ regardless of/ a VPN

It can't hurt to further insulate yourself from what's in there.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Sunday, September 29, 2019 - 08:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You know, the one where he'd walk into the dressing room to inspect the merchandise.

Oh, perish the thought of a president that is a... Man... who likes looking at women.

Begin the wailing and the gnashing of teeth.

In short, who gives a flying f**k? I don't care whose pussy he grabs, and I don't care if you're offended by it.

I didn't know Trump well enough to vote for him when I did, but I did because the alternative was the end of our nation.

This time, I will vote for him with both eyes open and firmly on the prize.
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Crusty
Posted on Sunday, September 29, 2019 - 09:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This time, I will vote for him with both eyes open and firmly on the prize.

+1
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Hootowl
Posted on Sunday, September 29, 2019 - 09:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Trump talked about running for pres on the Oprah Winfrey show decades ago. You’re being lied to.

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Sifo
Posted on Sunday, September 29, 2019 - 09:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I can't wait to see what else they hid on that server.

It's funny that the liberals socialists have their panties in a was over what server things were stored on, like there was some major issue with it being moved to a slightly more secure government server. It's not like Trump set up a private server in his bathroom and started communicating with an alias to foil FOIA searches or some crazy shit like that. It humors me watching them trying to blame Trump for their own sins. Disgusts me too, but it humors me.
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Sifo
Posted on Sunday, September 29, 2019 - 10:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Oh, wait! Speaking of server scandals...

State Dept. ramps up probe into Clinton email server: report

I suppose Hillary will have to declare that she is running for office. That way she can't be investigated, right?
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Aesquire
Posted on Sunday, September 29, 2019 - 11:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://amgreatness.com/2019/09/25/ukraine-gate-is -about-the-russian-hack-that-wasnt/

The prime source for reports that Russia interfered in the election is the DNC.

That doesn't count the Facebook posts by Russian paid agitators. It was known for years that Facebook management refused to stop that kind of propaganda on their servers. Conservatives, Constitutional rights devenders, those get banned. Jihadist groups and Russians, no.
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Court
Posted on Sunday, September 29, 2019 - 11:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

They ...... all of ‘em ..... have a problem on their hands.

Difficult to referee when everyone in the game is cheating.
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Aesquire
Posted on Sunday, September 29, 2019 - 12:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/eight-keys -to-the-coming-trump-impeachment-fight

There's an excellent sci-fi series.

https://www.goodreads.com/series/51166-troy-rising

Where the hero is being threatened that if he doesn't surrender the Bad Guys will destroy D.C. He tells them to please do so, since he doesn't like them anyway. ( he's bluffing, mostly )

Of course, in the real world, that will never happen. Every evil group in the world knows that's where their greatest allies are. ( and unlike in the Novel, we aren't being threatened by aliens who don't know that )
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Sifo
Posted on Sunday, September 29, 2019 - 07:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So I understand the "whistle blower" is going to testify in front of the inquisition, or what ever they are calling it. Given that we already know he had no first hand knowledge of anything, what can he possibly add of value? I know in a court of law, everything he would have to say would be tossed for being hearsay. I suppose the Dims in charge will use a much lower standard though. Sad state of our union.
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Aesquire
Posted on Sunday, September 29, 2019 - 08:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Pelosi announced an inquiry. ( inquisition ) Not an Impeachment hearing.

There's a difference. It's a circus with zero legal meaning. An Impeachment hearing/proceeding requires a vote. There will be no vote.

2 reasons.

The vote probably wouldn't pass. None of the Rs would vote yes, as it would imperil their reelection. Several of the Ds wouldn't vote yes, same reason.

And if there was a vote, and it did pass, then Republicans would be part of the process, and he able to subpoena and question folk the Democrats desperately don't want heard.

So the whole thing is theater.

Could be effective theater. The Trump loyalists won't be fooled. The wait & see folk that understand what's going on won't be fooled. But the information incurious ill informed folk that don't care much and only watch the Evening news after dinner before their favorite reality show, could be. And that's a LOT of people. Most Americans aren't that into politics, it annoys them.

Frankly, I'd be in that category, but as a History buff, the Evening news is so obviously biased it has scared me into looking for facts, instead of my old habit of just listening to the biased reporting from both sides, then splitting the difference, cursing both their houses, and ignoring the mess.

Oh, I've been an unrepentant counter revolutionary since High School, but it took the Civil Rights abuses of the Clinton regime to get me interested in digging through the dung to find the foundation of the positions I was being lied to about.

I'd much rather discus movies and novels than politics, believe it or not. But when Congressmen tell me that they will send armed men house to house to take our property at gunpoint? And that they want to steal our 401k to give to folk who vote for them. And I see mass shootings in the name of Socialist presidential candidates. The demand for more illegal immigration to provide cheap servants for the rich & illegal votes to steal power. Yeah. Gotta start paying attention.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Sunday, September 29, 2019 - 08:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yeah. Gotta start paying attention.

AMEN.

Now, if we could just broadcast that to all the other lazy, marginally(publicly)-educated, complacent Americans...our Republic might stand a fighting chance.
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Uncle
Posted on Sunday, September 29, 2019 - 08:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just watched some of the 60 minutes story about the impeachment. They kept calling Trump, "Mr. Trump". You almost never hear the press referring to a sitting president as "Mr".
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Ratbuell
Posted on Sunday, September 29, 2019 - 08:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That's because "he's not their President".

Remember?
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