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     Slaughter |
I avoid most political posts but this one is worthy of attention. Congress (being technically ignorant) tries too often to legislate in areas they know nothing about... HOWEVER, In testimony yesterday Dick Durbin asking the questions - audience mirth ensues: Durbin, “Mr. Zuckerberg, would you be comfortable sharing with us the name of the hotel you stayed in last night?” Zuckerberg, “Ummm… uh, no.” Durbin, “If you messaged anybody this week, would you share with us the names of the people you’ve messaged?” Zuckerberg, “Senator, no I would probably not choose to do that publicly here.” Durbin, "I think that might be what this is all about." All this being said, it still amazes me how much personal information people are willing to share! | ||
| Sifo |
I turned on the FBN yesterday right when Durbin was saying that. I was astounded that this was the most coherent statement I've ever heard from Durbin. For once in his lifetime, he seems to have nailed it. Sadly, the door for regulating social media is open. It would be the wrong thing to do IMO. Note that Zuckerberg says he's open to regulation. This would pretty much guarantee that an upstart company that might compete with Facebook will have an additional and huge hurdle before being able to even try to compete with Facebook. One thing that seemed very clear to me as I listened to some of that hearing... Zuckerberg has had very little concern for what happens to data on YOU, beyond how he can profit from it. I don't really blame him for that attitude. After all, YOU are not the customer. YOU are the product. | ||
| Ratbuell |
This would pretty much guarantee that an upstart company that might compete with Facebook will have an additional and huge hurdle before being able to even try to compete with Facebook. Gee...you think Zuck hasn't already thought of that? | ||
| 86129squids |
FacePlantBook has ALWAYS just hella-creeped me out. I barely use it, almost NEVER comment, just look at someone's photo usually as long as it's IMMEDIATE family and friends. I wonder about those who are so comfortable using it, during all waking hours. Funny, but I spoke with a jeweler a couple of weekends ago about putting some pieces up for sale, he said the best route would be Facebook Marketplace. Given that FB allows for tracking peeps and verifying identity (maybe?!?!??), a transaction like selling high dollar jewelry would theoretically be more secure. I see his point, but that doesn't un-creep me out. | ||
| Airbozo |
I am loving telling all my family and friends: "I told you so!" For too long they have told me I am paranoid. lol! Companies Like Facebook own you and your data. It's too late to go back and complain now that you recklessly clicked though the user agreement without reading it. But you should read it to understand just how much these companies own you. | ||
| Sifo |
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| Ratbuell |
As a personal note from me...I created a FB account back in '08, when I was laying in a hospital bed learning how to walk again. It was a way for me to keep in touch with the outside world, and to keep relatively sane. I couldn't tell you my login anymore. I got out of the hospital, and I stopped using FB. I have real life, I don't need VR "friends". I've been working at this shop for nearly a year now. Talking a few minutes ago with a coworker about the testimony and the privacy debate, she mentioned "yeah, you sent me a friend request right after you started working here". Um...negative, ghost rider. That's the "information sharing" that's gonna get someone in trouble. Now to find my password when I get home, to delete that damn account. | ||
| Ebutch |
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| Whisperstealth |
I don't blame Zuckerberg one bit. Not going to hate on him. 1. Facebook is free. 2. Participation is Completely Voluntary. 3. You choose what you put on facebook. Thoughts to think about: If you aren't paying for the product, you are the product. A fool and his data are soon separated. | ||
| Aesquire |
If people didn't want the Nazi Party to burn all the gypsies and gays in ovens, they could have declined to vote them into power, right? Totally unfair, the above. You were not told ahead of time. ( you could have looked up the Party Platform, but who reads User Agreements? ) If you didn't like living under the rule of the Soviets, you could just walk out, right? Not counting the mines, machine guns, and snipers. Still not fair. You didn't ask to be born ruled by the greatest mass murderers in Human History. Lotto tickets! You spent all your welfare check money on tickets, and now you have to take the kids to the shelter for free food. Medium fair. You may not have paid attention to the odds printed right on the ticket, ( But you looked really close at.."7, need another 7" ) but any idiot knows it's a suckers game to steal money from poor people. Ah!, but, you are an idiot. Still a scam you bought into. The difference is it was a bunch of politicians who planned, voted, and run the Lotto so they can have what they want at the expense of the stupid and gullible. Facebook has a Face. A very, very, very rich face. Just one guy. When you are the One Guy, you have to be responsible for the Minions and your choices. He chose to get really really rich off your gullibility. His choice. He gets the blame. Now, I don't Hate Zuch. Don't hate Obama. Borderline on Soros, but he was a Nazi, and they push my limits like Rapists and Child Molesters. I'm legally obligated to not tell you what I would do to a child molester I caught in the act. I would, of course, call the police. The Child needs help. I doubt I'd even spit on Soros, much less punch him in the face. I'm not a violent guy. I'd really prefer not to do business with him. Zuch? I do have a page. Ranted about it on another thread, and no need to repeat. I get ads. Damn I get ads. My niece wanted a computer to play Overwatch. I looked up the system requirements. Once. Now I get Overwatch ads. To go with the dog food ads from when my neighbor asked for the cheapest place to get his brand, now that the local Sam's Club closed. I don't play Overwatch, or have a dog. ( at this time ) If you want to mess with someone, just Google something weird, once, on their computer. Roto-tillers, for example, for apartment dwellers. Or ( for buddies without kids ) glow in the dark condoms. | ||
| Blake |
My Senators nailed it. Zuckerberg admitted that Facebook is not a neutral public forum? Well then, will it be subject to political campaign rules. | ||
| Hughlysses |
These guys have been on a roll this week: http://babylonbee.com/news/zuckerberg-requires-hou se-members-to-accept-terms-of-service-before-he-te stifies/ http://babylonbee.com/news/zuckerberg-loses-contac t-lens-during-senate-hearing-revealing-horrifying- lizard-eye For those of you that don’t know, the Babylon Bee is sort of a Christian version of the Onion. On a related note, I found that despite the fact that I had “liked” the Babylon Bee’s FB Page a year or so ago, somehow that status had changed and I was no longer seeing their updates. (Message edited by Hughlysses on April 11, 2018) | ||
| 86129squids |
??? A Christian version of the Onion?!? Must investigate, for me and my sis. I LOVE the Onion, always have since they started up with a paper edition. Seems I gave the daily site visits because, creepiness...  | ||
| Sifo |
For too long they have told me I am paranoid. That's because they ARE out to get you. | ||
| Figorvonbuellingham |
Didn't he start facebook to badmouth a woman that wasn't interested in him or something like that? Kind of tells you what kind of a man he is.... I've never registered for facebook but somehow when I bought my phone I mysteriously became a member. | ||
| Ratbuell |
All this reminded me to delete my account tonight. Damn they make that link hard to find. WHY, you might ask, are they so concerned about keeping FREE members? It certainly isn't because they're so concerned about providing a service for those members. More like, they need those members to provide a service for THEM. Hint: Click the "?" button and type "how do I delete my account?". A paragraph will come up with "ask us to remove" as a hidden link/phrase. Click that and confirm a few times...then they give you 14 days to "change your mind" before they permanently delete your account. I'll check back in 15, to make sure it's gone. | ||
| Zac4mac |
Good luck, Joe Trying to do that myself. Never was active there, ready to pull all out. Z | ||
| Torquehd |
I signed up for facebook recently, only because I need to use a facebook username and PW to log into another app that I recently downloaded. After creating my FB account, I did NOTHING with it except make sure everything was set to private. I didn't enter any info or upload any pics or add/search for any friends. I get emails from facebook, literally daily, saying things like "a lot has happened on facebook since you've been away" or, "you have more friends on facebook than you know" or "update your profile on facebook". I find it humorous. I don't know why you would ever post anything on a social media site and expect it not to become socially available media. If you've ever entered any type of information online and thought that you weren't being exploited, you're either a moron or very naive. If you don't want your wife, or your mom, or your boss, or corrupt politicians, or the Caliphate or the Marxist revolution to know about it, don't post it online. "to know you is to exploit you". Cityxslicker was right all along. | ||
| Nm5150 |
You are only limited by your imagination.I know they can track my phone so I toss it in a truck going north and I go South. You can use information the same way. | ||
| Torquehd |
Disabling location services and Wi-Fi helps your apps not track you. Mostly. You can't escape three letter agencies or your network provider tracking you unless your battery is removed. The three letters can track phones that are simply turned off. | ||
| Sifo |
I'll check back in 15, to make sure it's gone. But how do you know your data has actually been deleted. Zuck claims they delete it. Should he be believed? I don't know. It's virtually impossible to check. After creating my FB account, I did NOTHING with it except make sure everything was set to private. You can set it to private. That will keep folks like me from seeing it. It will prevent a bot from scraping data from your Facebook page. It won't keep Facebook from using that data for their own benefit. They will still us that information to sell you to an advertiser. I don't really fault Facebook for doing that. It's their business model and they are withing the law in doing so. If you've ever entered any type of information online and thought that you weren't being exploited, you're either a moron or very naive. Dead on correct. I'm not going to tell people that they shouldn't do it. They should be aware of the realities though, and it is not free of risk. I'm not really concerned about Facebook exploiting me. I am concerned about Zuck's apparent lack of concern for the data they collect on me, and what a nefarious person may manage to do with it when they get through Facebook's security cracks. | ||
| Court |
I'm always quite aware . . . as I drive . . . that there are on the order of about 15 devices that could be used to track me starting with my phone . . . and going all the way to the ECM in the car which records how many times I cross over a lane line without having used the turn signal. It you want privacy . . . get rid of your cellphone and walk. | ||
| Ratbuell |
Why do you think I've kept all my old cars? 72 Plymouth; 90 Voyager; 91 Daytona...old bikes... Analog is safe. Reminds me, when I cancelled my FB account last night, it started with "we need you to verify your identity, there's been some questionable activity on your account". One of the choices was "send text" - not linking ANYthing to my phone - or "pick friends faces out of photos". So I did the faces thing. Some were people I knew...some, I'd never laid eyes on before. Supposedly everyone in the "lineup" was someone who was a "friend" on FB. Glad I'm out of there. | ||
| Aesquire |
Delivery people, FedEx, USPS, Ooops, all who scan those bar codes, are tracked real time, all day. If two postal trucks are parked too close for x minutes, the computer generates an email for the supervisor, who then has to ask why, and submit a report. I always wanted to put a scanner on a tilt-a-whirl, just to get an inquiry why I drove in circles at 60 mph for a minute. This is of course, for the customers. You can even check if you're getting any mail today. The trouble is as the slack is taken out, the incentive to cheat goes up. Computer says your package was delivered? Sometimes it gets entered that way to get the boss off your back. And it's not the delivery person doing that, it's their boss. Because there are bosses above them in full fury, trying to justify their jobs. Most management can already be replaced by computers. And they are hanging on by their teeth. Someday soon a Honda robot will deliver your stuff. Right now 2018, that's marginally possible, but too expensive. It was on!y a few years ago Honda was bragging they had a robot that could climb steps, slowly, but self contained. The year before, the same robot needed a cable connection to a super computer in a lab environment. Boston Dynamics has made great strides in robot mobility. We used to joke the first mail delivery robot would get back to the station dragging one leg like the Terminator at the end of the movie, bag missing, covered in graffiti. Give it five years. Then management will demand self protection systems, and the carnage will commence. Can't put criminals over expensive equipment, can we? The taser armed 'bots are just the beginning. You want to test combat 'bots? Have them deliver Amazon in the inner city. After that, Damascus is a breeze. | ||
| Aesquire |
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/04/h ow_a_cashless_america_could_become_gunless.html In the 1950-60's Mack Reynolds wrote "economic SF" and explored variations, but his most accurate guess was that in the future, cash would be gone, and everyone would just have a portable phone, that was also your credit card. Robots would be doing most of the work, and the majority of people would be on the dole. The few human jobs left would be fiercely competed for, and to keep the masses from revolting, the welfare state would be supporting people lower middle class comfortable, and it was just expected to be on the dole. The economic trends didn't go that way, instead we exported the jobs to the Third World, but the psychological preparation & propaganda/peer pressure to just accept a work free limited expectations world is ongoing. The Obama administration continually pushed joblessness and the idea of settling for less than before with the mantra, The New Normal. This is the extension of the black Democrat urban plantation to the whole population. See also the entitled "snowflakes" of our youth. See also 1984. George Orwell never thought we'd buy our own surveillance cameras and willingly spend hours each day informing on ourselves, Brave New World is coming fast. ( One trouble with reading all those dystopian novels since I was a kid, is the Cassandra effect when you tell people how they are climbing into the band basket ) | ||
| Torquehd |
Does the 2nd amendment apply to robots? | ||
| Ourdee |
Come to work with me. I will point out the cameras that track license plates in real time. You will have your eyes opened. Choose the red or blue pill? | ||
| 1313 |
the car which records how many times I cross over a lane line without having used the turn signal. Now someone has finally enlightened me why all the damn rednecks in the South have such disdain for using their turn signals... Just effing with you all - laugh - and carry on with your political discussions  | ||
| Torquehd |
Then there's this https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/04/12/facial -recognition-used-catch-fugitive-among-60000-conce rt-goers/ | ||
| Thumper1203 |
There's more to the facebook story. Search CIA project LIFELONG, note termination date.. note FB start-up date.. coincidence? I think not. News, soon |
