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Macbuell
Posted on Monday, February 19, 2018 - 10:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Is anyone watching this mini series? I just watched episode 3 last night which left me just a little upset, to say the least.

This series and the incident itself, and others, gives some context around the 2nd amendment and why we need to make sure it remains in tact.
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Ebutch
Posted on Monday, February 19, 2018 - 11:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks 4 heads-up.
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Ebutch
Posted on Monday, February 19, 2018 - 11:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)



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Natexlh1000
Posted on Monday, February 19, 2018 - 12:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't know man. That little picture seems to have left out the chemtrails.
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Sifo
Posted on Monday, February 19, 2018 - 12:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Is this the one on A&E? I'll have to check it out. I see the first 2 parts are on tonight.
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Ltbuell
Posted on Monday, February 19, 2018 - 01:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

..Ebutch...there is WAY WAY more to all of that than what is shown in what you shared aboive....way way more.LT
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Ebutch
Posted on Monday, February 19, 2018 - 01:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://heavy.com/entertainment/2018/01/waco-tv-mi niseries-channel-time-paramount/
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Pwnzor
Posted on Monday, February 19, 2018 - 01:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Glitch
Posted on Monday, February 19, 2018 - 02:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Remember Ruby Ridge
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Blake
Posted on Monday, February 19, 2018 - 10:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

A'men to that Glitch!

And Lavoy Finicum.

The FBI drops the ball on so many cases, and kills more than needed.
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Sifo
Posted on Wednesday, February 21, 2018 - 07:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

All five episodes are on back to back 2/28. I set them to tape.

I watched the 2 part series on A&E the other night. It will be interesting to compare.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Wednesday, February 21, 2018 - 09:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

lol.. you said "tape"
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Sifo
Posted on Thursday, February 22, 2018 - 05:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm old!



Get off my lawn!
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Aesquire
Posted on Thursday, February 22, 2018 - 05:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If anyone needs near cherry top of the line VHS tape, I have hundreds. Recorded once. Entire seasons of Xena Warrior Princess and other shows it turns out I never ever watched. And never will.

Unmarked tapes may have SNL or grainy porn from unpaid cable. I sure don't know.
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Hootowl
Posted on Thursday, February 22, 2018 - 08:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I set all my VHS tapes out on the street years ago. Someone picked them up. Might have been the garbage guys. Might have been a troglodyte. Might have been a troglodyte garbage man.
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Glitch
Posted on Thursday, February 22, 2018 - 02:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Might have been a troglodyte garbage man.
That's my guess
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86129squids
Posted on Friday, February 23, 2018 - 12:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Whudju call me?

Whud, ju call me?

Whudju call, me?
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Tootal
Posted on Friday, February 23, 2018 - 10:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

When a friends father passed away they found "The Collection" which was about 20 VHS tapes of many episodes of Gunsmoke. It included the original episode that had John Wayne introducing the new show. Seems they wanted the Duke to play the marshal but he said he was too old and recommended James Arness. They really didn't want Arness to be in movies because nobody wanted to look "up" to him! Including the Duke! Since I still had a VHS player they gave them to me!
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Ebutch
Posted on Friday, February 23, 2018 - 02:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)





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Ebutch
Posted on Friday, February 23, 2018 - 03:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yes they where Screw-Balls But see how Liberals handle Things.



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Tootal
Posted on Saturday, February 24, 2018 - 03:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That whole deal was really messed since they knew he went into town to eat at a local diner. They just needed to get him while having lunch.
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Hootowl
Posted on Saturday, February 24, 2018 - 05:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yeah, but they had all that surplus military stuff that was just collecting dust.
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Glitch
Posted on Saturday, February 24, 2018 - 05:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Waco fiasco started out to try and get the public at large to forget about the fiasco at Ruby Ridge.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Saturday, February 24, 2018 - 08:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well THIS particular troglodyte has two original copies of the Star Wars trilogy on VHS, one of which is brand new.

I also have two VCRs, one of which is brand new.

And unlike the victims of the Waco Massacre, Greedo never got a shot off.

(Message edited by pwnzor on February 24, 2018)
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Sifo
Posted on Saturday, March 03, 2018 - 06:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I had a chance to watch the mini-series. I had also watched the 2 part mini-series done by A&E. Talk about 2 different stories!

A&E's was part of a group of shows about infamous crazy people. Folks like Jim Jones, etc. Perhaps David Koresh deserves to be put into that bin, but I think A&E tried to play on that aspect more, and less on how things went so wrong at the compound. In contrast, they showed the FBI/ATF to be justified in what they did there. The Branch Davidian's were portrayed more as a cult bent on mass suicide. They showed the Branch Davidian's rigging their compound to burn and setting it on fire.

The 6 part series that this thread was started with had twice the time devoted to it, so was able to develop the characters and story much more. First, it was a much better, more interesting story. The characters from the government, as well as the Branch Davidian's were developed. In this series, the government is shown to be heavy handed, and intolerant of those they don't understand. Probably much closer to the truth IMO. Honestly, this seemed to be a story of what happens when followers of two Gods clash. I'm not convinced either was following a true God, but that's not required for the believers to believe it. Sadly, we see that the God of the state, is not terribly benevolent, or forgiving of those that don't follow. This series has the government causing the fire when they push tanks through the walls to tear gas them, and knock over lanterns inside. They do have a discussion about how the source of the fire is a point of controversy, with the "official" story being that they torched themselves, but that there is no evidence to support this. They also gave a long list of examples where the government used tear gas resulting in fire and death, and pointed out that nothing was done to deal with this eventuality. This certainly goes along with my recollection of these events. It was also made clear that Janet Reno, and President Clinton were involved in the decision to go in with the tanks. It was hard to watch this series without feeling anger toward our government.

This was well worth the time to watch it. Glad it was mentioned here. Search it out if you missed it.
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Macbuell
Posted on Saturday, March 03, 2018 - 11:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think the series is about as impartial as it can be. It's based on 2 books, one written by a Branch Davidian survivor and the other written by the FBI negotiator. So it has both viewpoints.
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Ebutch
Posted on Monday, March 12, 2018 - 11:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)



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Ebutch
Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2018 - 10:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)



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Sifo
Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2018 - 11:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

March 17, 2018
Waco: The Untold Story
By David T. Hardy

This year marks the 25th anniversary of the Waco atrocity, the bloodiest and most expensive law enforcement operation in the history of the United States. The gun battle, siege, and lethal fire have already been the subject of three commemorative documentaries and docudramas on the subject, with more to come. The sad fact is that the documentaries to date contain major errors. I know this because I spent three years in Freedom of Information Act lawsuits in a quest for the truth.

The 1993 operation was begun by the then-Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) and directed at a religious group sometimes called the Branch Davidians, led by David Koresh. The basis for the raid was flimsy evidence that the Davidians possessed unregistered machine guns. On February 28, eighty agents, backed by three borrowed military helicopters, tried to storm the Branch Davidian center near Waco, Texas. Shooting broke out that left four agents and six Davidians dead and led to a 51-day siege. The siege in turn ended with a fire that killed more than 80 additional people.

There were, of course, official investigations and congressional hearings. The documentary films released to date largely parallel the government's "official line" voiced during these. David Koresh was a government-hating fire-eater, he could not be arrested peacefully, and the fanatic Davidians raked the approaching agents with machine-gun fire.

The FOIA lawsuit turned up evidence contradicting all of this. Just to take three major points:

more...
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Sifo
Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2018 - 01:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Ebutch
Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2018 - 03:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Shit like this only happens when liberales are in charge!!!!
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Ltbuell
Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2018 - 04:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

..ding ding ding..exactly Ebutch..been saying that for a very long time...even more so in the last eight years and now.....they're all running scared like a bunch of little school girls that snuck into the Saturday matinee and saw a horror movie for the first time...yeah they're so so corrupt and have been for a very long time....they don't want to be apprehended and held accountable....they'd rather be still seen as pure and all good...for the benefit of this country and to " we the people"...yeah i still smell BS...they're all setting themselves up with the Globalists/New World Order and their Socialism......heck, they're the modern version of the Nazi Party and how they were in Germany and Europe before and during WW2..wakey wakey,people...we forget history..we're doomed to repeat it...just like what's been going on and going on right now......sad and pathetic.LT
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