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Crusty
Posted on Tuesday, November 28, 2017 - 07:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

1917 - 100 year old footage of the Red Baron during WWI

Notice them squirting oil … on the valve stems I would guess, prior to spinning the prop.

The following is a very rare piece of film, 100 years old. It shows Baron Von Richthofen, doing an external prior to a mission, as well as his putting on a flying suit prior to flight in cold weather. If you look close you will notice Hermann Goering.The Baron was shot down on 21 April 1918 by Roy Brown of the Royal Navy Air Services, a prelude of the R.A.F.. The Aussies also claim that one of their machine gunners on the ground shot the Baron down UK & Aussie Doctors, after the autopsy stated that the fatal bullet was shot from above.The author of this has been very involved as a Director of the Roy Brown Museum in Carleton Place, the home town of Roy. Many letters have been written over the past 3-4 years and finally Roy Brown was inducted into Canada’s Aviation Hall of Fame on 4 June 2015…To think this film is almost 100 years old! If you're interested in history or aviation, you cannot miss this footage. It was just posted online, and I've never seen anything like it. It's from 1917, and it's an up-close and personal look at the most legendary combat pilot who ever lived, the infamous Red Baron, Manfred Von Richthofen. Watch the extremely rare, extremely old footage and re-live history. ULTRA-RARE footage of the most famous fighter pilot ever






https://shar.es/12Ag7e
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Pwnzor
Posted on Tuesday, November 28, 2017 - 08:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Super cool... I moved an old plane back in 2010... here's the thread
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Dwardo
Posted on Tuesday, November 28, 2017 - 01:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks for that, Crusty. That is super-cool. I have been into aviation history since I was a small boy. I am certain that Richthofen really was the best known fighter pilot in the world but he wasn't anywhere near the highest scoring. That would be Erich Hartmann, with 352 kills. Pwnzor, that is a special plane. It is a "real" Zero fighter. A lot of them are replicas based on a T-6, which is a cool plane in itself, but the Zeros are super rare.
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Greg_e
Posted on Tuesday, November 28, 2017 - 01:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Could they have been squirting fuel in through the exhaust to prime the cylinders for starting?
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Tootal
Posted on Tuesday, November 28, 2017 - 02:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gChU-mGeBaM

Great old footage! Would have loved to hear that engine!

Great job on moving the plane through city streets, probably the hardest part!

When I hear about Zero's this film always comes to mind!
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Dwardo
Posted on Tuesday, November 28, 2017 - 02:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I somehow missed that movie. Those are "T-6" Zeroes. Wing shape is a dead giveaway. I'd love to have a T-6.
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Ourdee
Posted on Tuesday, November 28, 2017 - 03:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I can smell the castor oil.
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Sifo
Posted on Tuesday, November 28, 2017 - 06:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

In high school I had a friend who dad was partnered in a T-6. Very cool aircraft. Got to go in it once. About 6 months later it went down and killed the partner of my friends dad. There was also a T-6 group (club?) in our area for a long time, and from time to time you would see them up in formation. Always cool to see!
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Ebutch
Posted on Tuesday, November 28, 2017 - 07:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Glen Curtis in the begining of aircraft. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33rS9Vf_5DQ
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Etennuly
Posted on Tuesday, November 28, 2017 - 11:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey Crusty! Remember when these 100 year old films were only forty years old?!?
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Crusty
Posted on Tuesday, November 28, 2017 - 11:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yes, I do! I also remember when Jap Zeros were only 20 years old.

I saw a Fokker Triplane flying over Priest River, Idaho back in 1978 during their Logger Days Celebration.
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Zac4mac
Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2017 - 12:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I saw a B-58 over Corpus Christi in 66 or 67, thought it was a Dart until iI realized how far off it was.

There's a CSA group just south of here and I see some pretty cool old birds.
Heard a real deep whup-whup a few weeks ago and it was a two blade Huey. got a soft spot for them.

Z
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2017 - 10:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Owls head vehicle museum has a triplane that they fly around. I'm pretty sure it a repro though.

They also have a Gnome rotary cut away that lets you spin it over and watch the insanity inside through a plexi cover.

http://owlshead.org/
It has a wings and wheels even in September where they invite old motorcycles to show up and be a part of the show.
They fly the red baron triplane too.
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Zane
Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2017 - 10:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Back in 2013 I saw a B-52 doing touch and goes at Marine Corp Air Station Yuma. Impressive doesn't begin to describe it.
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Nuts4mc
Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2017 - 12:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

if you can make it out to the "left coast"
in San Diego, off Mira Mar road near MCAS Mira Mar:

https://www.flyingleathernecks.org/

off the 215 freeway in Riverside (March Field) (the old man has "brick" in the memorial garden) they have "Open Cockpit" days...an F4 Weasel cockpit from the Vietnam era is something to be amazed at.

https://www.marchfield.org/

and in San Diego on the bay:

http://www.midway.org/

some pix from March Field museum


SR-71



b-29



b-52



bombbay



engine



engine parts
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Dwardo
Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2017 - 12:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I see a "corncob" radial engine.
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Ourdee
Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2017 - 01:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)



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Etennuly
Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2017 - 09:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Years back living in Fl my neighbor, who over twelve years became a second dad and good friend to me and my family, was retired Air force. His stories about his twenty six years were quite amazing with conformation at every turn.

He retired Chief Master Sergeant, and for a two year period was the highest ranking noncom in the air force.

For several years he was a navigator on B52. He flew the Tet Offensive and many other Vietnam missions. He loved those B52s.

His stories of his last few years were amazing. He was the Chief on the Inspector General nuclear inspection program. He loved that job also. Many times he would cut a story short. Some stuff was still classified. Several of us neighbors got a visit from some air force security folks. They had to check on who visited him and what was spoken about at first annually, then at three years,twice.

He really got me one Sunday as I was watching a NASCAR race with him. A black Suburban pulled up his driveway, two AF personnel in full dress come to the door. Very formal like.

He answers the door to a two star General who immediately snapped the sharpest salute I had ever seen.....to my neighbor! Wholly shit! He returned the salute to where I made my exit out his back door.

He explained that the Gen started out his career as his favorite private in training. His apprentice and head grunt on the IG team.

This guy was going to teach me the fine art of slide rule but my business took off at that moment ,but time was often short.

If you can not have done
these flying games the next best thing is having a veteran who did tell their stories.
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86129squids
Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2017 - 11:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Dang, Vern, I thought you were cool for racing those heinous ATC's...

I make a point of saying hello, and shaking the hand of any old guy (not too many gals) wearing a notable cap that indicates their service. Due to medical issues, I never had a chance personally to serve, but my Dad was Air Force, Korea.
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Zac4mac
Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2017 - 11:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My first year of college, 1973 Texas A&M, first day of Chem 101 the prof says " there is a new tool available called a 'pocket calculator'.
Because they are expensive and not all students can afford one, we will not allow them in this class.
All calculations will be on a slide rule."

I still have an SR-11.

RD - WTF is that plane? thought maybe a U-2 but it's not.

Z
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Dwardo
Posted on Thursday, November 30, 2017 - 01:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I make it to be a Martin Canberra. British plane, built under license by Martin. Was a bomber and recon craft.
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Ourdee
Posted on Thursday, November 30, 2017 - 03:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

To an extent it was the U-2's predecessor. The secrets from it's use have been maintained well. The Martin Canberras were used to build into this one. My favorite recon plane. The pilots would be left in the plane after a mission until the CIA had removed the film and left. Pilots were not even allowed to see the pictures they had taken. "Two aircraft were additionally modified to carry the Bulova 707-1000 long range camera, which had a 240-inch (608mm) focal length that resulted in its reference designation of Big Item. These high-altitude side-looking cameras, secured by a roll-stabilized mount, could take oblique shots at 5 to 15 degrees below the horizon up to 60 nautical miles (110 km) range from the aircraft and provide 30-inch (76cm) high resolution images.",Wiki.

For more info: Wiki has some.

Want a story to look into? :


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Chauly
Posted on Thursday, November 30, 2017 - 07:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Zac,
I had the exact same experience: First semester slide rule, second semester calculators. I suppose (like me) that many got TI's SR-11 for Christmas. The rich kids got HP-35's. I had a Rockwell (just to be different). In 1984, I got an HP-15C. The manual was twice as voluminous as the calculator, and it did (still does) things that I don't understand.
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Ducxl
Posted on Thursday, November 30, 2017 - 08:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Was that originally posted engine a radial or a rotary design?
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86129squids
Posted on Thursday, November 30, 2017 - 10:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm not the one to ask, but IIRC that's a radial. Rotary will probably relate to a Wankel.
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Slaughter
Posted on Thursday, November 30, 2017 - 11:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The big radial is an R-4360 of some variant. Impossibly complex.

R designates Radial configuration, 4360 is cubic inches. 4 rows of 7 cylinders = 28 cylinders, 56 sparkplugs and a whole lotta wiggling and tapping and movement of lotsa small bits and pieces.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pratt_%26_Whitney_R- 4360_Wasp_Major
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Aesquire
Posted on Thursday, November 30, 2017 - 11:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Simple rule of thumb.

If the cylinders rotate with the propeller, It's a rotary.
Predates Wankel by years. There's a whole class of rotating block engines of various types.

WW1 rotary engines used a Total loss oiling system using castor oil. Yes, breathing and being sprayed with castor oil has an effect on your system just like drinking it. Brandy was the common remedy. It wasn't unusual for WW1 pilots to climb out of their planes and run to the outhouse before debriefing.

If the cylinders don't move, it's a radial.
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Ducxl
Posted on Friday, December 01, 2017 - 05:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

^^^^Thanks.I thought there was some confusion WRT the Wankel.The Rotary must've been more primitive
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Sifo
Posted on Friday, December 01, 2017 - 10:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I do hear Wankels called rotary all the time. I'm sure most people have no idea what the WWI era rotary engines are. There's bound to be confusion.

I've always wondered about how the oil system worked on the old rotary engines. Total loss oiling sounds like a freaking mess! What about the fueling system? A carb on each cylinder would solve the problems of going inverted with a carb with a fuel bowl and float. That's a problem on far more recent aircraft. They would have to deal with some sort of rotating seal on the fuel line though. That seems problematic, especially considering that with gas running through it, you wouldn't be able to keep any sort of lubricant on it. Anyone able to shed some light on that?
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Slaughter
Posted on Friday, December 01, 2017 - 10:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Good video of an Oberursel rotary. Amazing this being a scratch-built engine. A re-creation of the type that powered numerous WWI German aircraft - most notably the Fokker DR1 Triplane

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