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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2017 - 12:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mr. Crowder starts of a bit flustered and nervous, but he lets the man tell his story, uncut, and mostly uninterrupted. Pure American salt of the earth.

https://youtu.be/B4HEchh0XD8

Just please keep your magazines loaded.
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2017 - 01:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

An embed of the video for those who prefer:



Barefoot defender, justice from 20 yards.

The mass-murderer was carrying a pistol when Mr. Willeford confronted him.

NRA member, shooting instructor, a family of expert marksmen.

Unable to leave his home due to media vultures. Still unaware of who among his friends and neighbors were killed or wounded.
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2017 - 01:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I haven't viewed this one yet, a one hour production by the NRA who visited Mr. Willeford at his home.

https://youtu.be/LImaZ8BMLFE

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Ourdee
Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2017 - 01:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Prayers for Mr. Willeford. Poor guy needs some peace and time to wind down and counselling. We need more people like him. In the end he was only one round up on Barney Fife. Please people, keep half your magazines loaded, minimum. Media needs kicked in the nads.
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86129squids
Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2017 - 01:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

+10,000, what a hero. Kudos also to the pickup driver!! Both get the Bocephus award, for sure.

G-D am I tired of hearing ANOTHER, and ANOTHER, of these tragedies happening. I'm all for the 2nd Amendment, but there's GOTTA be a way to NOT have mental cases slip through like this Airman. Court marshalled for beating his family, plus plotting to kill up his chain of command.

Why shoot up a church in the first place? There are plenty of more deserving targets... title loan offices, pill mill operators, etc.

How did we miss this?!? Prayers up for those struck by this senseless rampage.
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Rick_a
Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2017 - 02:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This, as well as most of these shootings, illustrate the futility of reliance on government.

That the vultures are using this as another call to "gun control" is ridiculous.

The media needs to stop making a circus of these shootings and creating instant infamy for shooters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8rMYyegT5Y
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2017 - 02:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Brad,

How about demanding accountability in govt.

Lawlessness is the rule in govt. No one is held accountable.

How is it that convicted violent felons are not being reported by our military, and the result will be zero meaningful consequences for such an egregious failure.

Yet the solution is more government? No.

The solution is unfortunately more personal responsibility, more vigilance, more good guys and gals with guns.
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2017 - 02:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The NRA interview (my third post above) is exceptional, even better than Crowder's. Not once is the interviewer even shown on camera. Pure excellence.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2017 - 04:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mr. Willeford is a true saint. He didn't have to do anything. He could have sat in his house and hid.

He didn't.

He stood up, he rushed out into the face of danger, and he did the right thing.

For others.

I know God will care for him, will see that he gets the counseling he needs, and He will care for Mr. Willeford the same as He cares for the victims and their families and loved ones.

I'll have to watch the NRA post when I get home from work, but the Crowder post was enough to bring tears to my eyes. God bless Mr. Willeford, and God bless the samaritan with the truck.
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P_squared
Posted on Thursday, November 09, 2017 - 09:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

G-D am I tired of hearing ANOTHER, and ANOTHER, of these tragedies happening. I'm all for the 2nd Amendment, but...



Some truths for those who wish to apply critical thinking:
-There is no "but" clause in the 2nd Amendment.
-You are your own 1st responder.
-There are evil people in this world, that no laws or regulations will stop.
-The only realistic hope any of us have of STOPPING a killer on a shooting rampage is by being able to shoot back.

God bless Mr. Willeford, and may he come to find peace & comfort.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Thursday, November 09, 2017 - 11:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

-You are your own 1st responder.


AMEN.

I love our LEO's, and have immense respect for first responders (they saved my life - more than once - when I was a pile of blood and gore in a ditch in July 2008).

But.

Sometimes - Texas included - the LEO's and first responders are minutes away.

Doesn't sound like much but reports say his entire rampage in the church? 45 seconds or so. Mr. Willeford said he was drawn down on the motionless car for SEVEN MINUTES before the first officer arrived on-scene.

Eternity.

And as Mr. Willeford said - "I could have had a handgun, but...it wouldn't have done any good against someone with an AR."

Knife to a gunfight. LEOs and citizens need to have armaments that match (at the very least) the armaments that the crooks have.

"I need an illegal gun...let me have something small" - said no criminal EVER.
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86129squids
Posted on Thursday, November 09, 2017 - 01:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

..."but there's GOTTA be a way to NOT have mental cases slip through like this Airman. Court marshalled for beating his family, plus plotting to kill up his chain of command."

I didn't quote the Second Amendment, friend. Still don't see a flaw in my previous statement, critical thinking already applied.
And, I agree completely Blake- as I expect a branch of the armed forces to hold to a much higher standard than what they did in this case. No one really put the hairy eyeball on this guy, when it was blatantly obvious he's unstable. Fractured his own son's skull, beat his wife, threatened his SO's, tried to smuggle extra guns onto base to carry out his plan(s), escaped a mental health facility to boot.

He SHOULDN'T have been able to purchase guns. Of course he probably would have found a way regardless, to get the weapons he wanted. Who knows.

Back OT- I'm with you all, and Joe's got it right. Police and first responders don't magically teleport to your side when you need them. Be prepared, as best you can. Here locally we lost Kenny Moats, a Maryville police officer- beloved by the entire community, the entire law enforcement community, one of the God's honest best officers and men that we've known. Killed by a known loose cannon, with a violent record in at least 2 counties in East TN. I met Officer Moats when I'd called for an old man in front of my house, turned out he was off his meds but harmless. Still breaks my heart to know he's gone.

Prayers for the healing in Sutherland Springs. I read that this event basically represents a 10% loss of the population of the town.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Thursday, November 09, 2017 - 02:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

As for the "why"...we'll never know. One, he's dead. But more importantly, even before he became deceased...he wasn't right. There's no predicting. No formula. No metric. No nothing. Off your rocker is...off your rocker, and every person is different.

I sustained 2 head traumae in my accident in 2008. Changed my life - changed who I AM - forever. Having been, now, two distinctly different people in one lifetime I feel I'm pretty qualified here - those little pathways and neurons and synapses in your brain? Make a HUGE difference when they get changed, or damaged. Mine, was physical impact. His? Possibly external chemicals. Internally-manufactured chemicals. Who knows. But, even if you apply the exact same change to different brains, you're going to get different results. Something shorted out in this guy - apparently a while ago - and unfortunately nothing was done by society at large, nor by our military, to keep him in check and to keep him from harming others.

As for "why a Church?", that part's easy.

Soft target.

Like a concert, or a school full of children, or the DC beltway years ago.

The ONE common factor all these monsters share? COWARDICE. And they refuse (or are smart enough?) to go where people will shoot back because of it. They want to be able to inflict maximum damage before they're put down. On some level they know they'll get put down - call it "suicide by cop" - and they want to 'make their mark' before it happens. So they go after children. Or worshipers. Or a concert full of people who've been through a checkpoint that guarantees nobody can fight back. Or they hide on a hill and shoot at cars as they drive past.

Evil knows no bounds; it's up to smart people, and GOOD people, to use some common sense; enact some solid rules; and learn that government/authority/LEOs/military simply can't be EVERYwhere, ALL the time. There are gaps. And, that is where good people need to be able to step in, and make a difference.
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