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Natexlh1000
Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2017 - 09:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Personally, I would just get a MKII.
You can put one together yourself with one of those "pack lite" barrel/receiver things.
That's on my list.

My MKI is my favorite firearm right now. I'm down to the last working magazine for it.

I have no interest in magazine disconnects or chamber loaded display or lasers or bayonet mounts.
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Rick_a
Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2017 - 09:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Gregtonn, I'm fine with this...and so will he.

He got a heavy barreled model 10 revolver instead of the tapered barrel he wanted. It wasn't a thing at all. They shoot much nicer and are easier to hold steady.

Aesquire, anti's have been pushing that narrative for decades without an ounce of proof. Fear mongering to sway public opinion. We're been at a point where so-called intellectuals know they're presenting fallacies and simply don't care so long as the agenda is pushed.
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Rick_a
Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2017 - 10:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

I have no interest in magazine disconnects or chamber loaded display or lasers or bayonet mounts.





The MKII standard has that heel release. Annoying.

My MKII 22/45 has seven magazines. One has never worked from the start. I've been hesitant to destroy it, and have always meant to get it replaced. Twenty years later...still got it. One of these years I may tweak it back into working order...and smash it if that doesn't work. Most worn magazines can be saved with new springs.

I may get a Pac-Lite for my own. It almost costs as much to get a barrel threaded. I've always wanted mine in a shorter barrel. Threaded at 4.5" would be perfect.

I'm to the point where unless it's an AR I'm not too much into "building" guns anymore. You can just buy stuff configured as you want it these days.
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Aesquire
Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2017 - 11:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You might want to try sending the bad mag to Ruger for repair. Worth a shot.

The latest Guns & Ammo cover story is on the new integrally suppressed barrel for the 10/22 takedown model. From Ruger. Sold as a barrel only.

$630 msrp, 10.62" barrel, total length 16.12". Looks like an over under shotgun barrel from the side, since they use an asymmetric design for greater volume & less length. Supposed to eliminate the first round pop. Includes the fore end and is ready to just install/replace the stock barrel.

I'm buying a 10/22 takedown very soon. I was going to anyway but now I've got another excuse. I'll have to move or conquer the state to buy the suppressed barrel, but any excuse to buy a new gun.......
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Gregtonn
Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2017 - 01:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm down to the last working magazine for it.
This should help:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKMA5qFDcS0

Rick,
Glad to hear you are happy with the Mark IV target model. I am very happy with mine. I also have the tactical model but haven't fired it yet. It has been extremely dry here in AZ so I haven't been out to my usual shooting area due to wildfire concerns.

I am anxious to get both of them out so I can see if the grip frame can be swapped between the two of them. The Target uses the aluminum grip frame and the Tactical uses the polymer 22/45 frame. Theoretically I should be able to swap them.

I don't know what kind of magazine problems you guys are having but there are several mag tuning and mod vids that should help you bring them back to life. There are even tricks to increase mag capacity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GL1rIj43sGA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TJGT834uCM

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Rick_a
Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2017 - 01:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Aesquire, the suppressed barrel is nice only in keeping things short. They tend to be pretty light, too. It's nice having a separate suppressor to swap among guns.

Gregtonn, I'm not happy with it yet. I'll reserve my judgement for the range.

I also have two 1911 magazines that are quite finicky. I could have them replaced by the manufacturer, but they work so long as they're not inserted too energetically. I have a hard time sending stuff back unless absolutely necessary.
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2017 - 09:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The MK1 Vs MK2 magazine thing is not as simple as the video guy shows.
First of all he said he got his right before the MK2 came out.
The MK2 came out in the early 80's
I had run the numbers on mine and it dated from 1954.
I can only assume that some revision took place in that time as the feed lips are completely different between my old timer's mags and the new ones.

The mk2 magazine I bought has a reversible follower pin so it would fit my pistol fine.
I load it up and when I release the bolt, the top round pops straight up in front of the chamber and jams it.

I guess there is something like a feed ramp on the newer pistols that is not in mine.

I wonder if I can sculpt something out of JB weld or bondo : )
Just kidding! I wouldn't add anything as crappy as that to my old timer.
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Aesquire
Posted on Friday, July 14, 2017 - 05:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2017/07/13/ senator-kid-rock-means-second-amendment/

Because all is not lost, yet.

Ted Nugent for Sec State!
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Rick_a
Posted on Friday, July 14, 2017 - 02:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

He'd be more useful than Sen. Sanders regurgitating lame lines and an endless stream of weak memes chastising successful people and lying about social issues.
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Aesquire
Posted on Saturday, July 15, 2017 - 04:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/07/14/governor-s igns-bill-allowing-texans-to-carry-swords-spears-a nd-more/

You may laugh, but as a historical reenactor, I have to deal with silly local laws when choosing what to wear at an event.

I generally don't wear a sword, ( they are a pain to deal with ) but often carry a knife, ( First aid volunteer ) and may need to cut leather or rope at an instants notice.

On occasion, I've gone to the local restaurant in garb, and forgotten that I'm in open carry mode with a dagger, and one time an axe.

The Civil War, Fur Trader, all the reenactors tend to carry a belt knife as appropriate to period, and often a bayonet. In a land where a 5 inch knife can get you jail time, having a 20 inch epee bayonet for the Lebel rifle on your belt can be a problem.

Spears don't kill people, People do.
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Aesquire
Posted on Saturday, July 15, 2017 - 04:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Spears do make it easier.
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Rick_a
Posted on Saturday, July 15, 2017 - 05:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

In the service I would carry in training what I would want to have on my person in any actual scenario. I was once accosted outside of an Army chow hall for having a Ka-Bar on my belt on our way back from being their (extremely effective) opposing force. I thought that was rather silly.

It was the black one dead center here.
20140729_151354 by Slick_Rick77, on Flickr

In our normal duties we carry loaded pistols and rifles on our own turf, and these guys are nervous over a WWII era fighting knife that I used mostly to stylishly slash open MRE's. Goofy. I argued my way out if it, as I had a knack to do...while a bunch of dirty, tired, smelly, and hungry dudes heckled and lambasted behind me.
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Aesquire
Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2017 - 12:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


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Rick_a
Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2017 - 01:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My PSL's barrel is 21" with a muzzle break and it's not bad at all.

This little guy is a bit different...
Screenshot_2014-11-26-11-04-59 by Slick_Rick77, on Flickr

On one fine range day we had three 5.56 pistols firing in unison. It was glorious. Some bystanders looked less than impressed.
20150427_121125 by Slick_Rick77, on Flickr
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Macbuell
Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2017 - 12:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Need help / opinions ...

I have 1 rifle, my AR15, and I want to use it for every purpose, home defense, range / plinking out to 100 yards and the occasional hunting trip with shots at 200 or so yards.

I need an Optic set up that meets all those needs. I have a $500-600 budget and have it down to two options but can't decide between the 2. Here they are ...


http://www.opticsplanet.com/vortex-spitfire-3x-pri sm-scope-w-ebr-556b-moa-reticle.html

I love the etched reticle and lifetime warranty. Not sure if 3x is enough or its impact on cqb situations.

http://www.opticsplanet.com/burris-mtac-ballistic- cq-1-4x24-riflescope.html

I like being able to adjust magnification. Worried about field of view.

In both these cases I would likely add a red dot site either mounted on the rifle at a 45 degree angle or to the optic itself. The budget would include that red dot site as well.

Anyone running a similar set up or have insights into this. Any and all opinions welcome. Thanks
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Aesquire
Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2017 - 02:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My bottom line is which reticle do you like better?

As far as brands go, I like Leupold's rep & warranty. Both Vortex and Burris have gotten good reviews. I had a Barska, and it was in the bubble pack category. ( But I bought it to try a reticle, cheap, and it was functional, if not great. Their spotting scopes are junk )

You might want to check out the Leupold line, they have some solid inexpensive ( $300 range ) scopes. More money gets you better coatings, most people can't tell the difference between a $400 Leupold, and a $2000 model. But some really can.

Power? Unless you're shooting long range varmints or bench rest, 6x is plenty.

You'll adapt to either the 1-4x or the 3x, no problem, and either should work.

I welcome other's opinions too, on the subject.

If money was no object, I'd get the Leupold D-Evo https://www.leupold.com/tactical/scopes/d-evo/ with my choice of red dot sights.
The downside is it's $1300 at opticsplanet.

The concept is brilliant IMHO. No head movement, just a slight eye move, and the 6x scope is right there.

(Message edited by aesquire on July 20, 2017)
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Rick_a
Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2017 - 06:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

A fixed 3x is nice and simple...but severely limits speed at close range.

The 1-4x is more versatile, but they tend to be a bit less durable as far as surviving impacts from drops and dings. The 1x setting on such scopes are often not a true 1x...but vary from 1.2-1.5x. They are nearly red dot like at close range...but a bright dot will always draw the eye better than an illuminated reticle. Burris makes a good scope for the money. They're usually made in the Philippines, which is where many mid range optics come from, and Burris tends to be among the best of those.

The Vortex optic is likely made in China, which is where most cheap optics come from, though they tend to be among the best of those.

My choice was a custom Leupold 1-4x with a German #1 reticle and a BDC elevation knob going to 550 yards.
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Aesquire
Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2017 - 07:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

but severely limits speed at close range

Yeah, but.

I learned with a scout scope the both eyes open technique where the illuminated reticule is superimposed on the vision of the open and not looking through the scope eye. It doesn't work for everyone, but if it works for you, a 4x scope has the close quarters use as a synthetic red dot.

In praise of Burris, they sell a range finder equipped scope that is revolutionary, and on my short list of optics I will buy someday. I don't think it's crazy to spend more on an optic than on the gun. So I'd put the Burris Eliminator on a Savage rifle that cost less than half as much, and consider it a deal. If it can make first round hits on the target at under 800 yards? Win.

So, I've changed my recommendation to the Burris of your 2 choices based on 2 things.

1. "normal looking" scope. It's longer, but less bulky with less "catch on brush, clothes, everything" edges.

2. I'd rather buy a product not from Red China. I'd rather buy one from Red China than N. Korea. I'd rather buy one from N. Korea than Al Gore. If I can think of worse people, I'll slot them into the list.
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Gregtonn
Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2017 - 02:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The Vortex optic is likely made in China...

Most Vortex "lower end" optics are made in the Philippines.

The same is true of Burris.

Both optics come with an Unlimited Lifetime Warranty.

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Ourdee
Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2017 - 03:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That D-EVO is cool. I am old school though. GAU-5 carry handle etc. No optics for my AR. I do believe it to be best choice for bumps in the night at home. If I don't hear the dog keep barking, I get scared. I'm still working on the remote for all the lights here.
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Rick_a
Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2017 - 04:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It's very easy to have optics as the primary sighting device and irons for backup.

My 22lr play gun has a red dot only. My 9mm practice gun will have irons only. The rest have optic + irons.

The wifey's rifle is irons and laser. She can throw an optic on it as well if she chooses.
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Ourdee
Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2017 - 04:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'll post some pics of the 2240 turned quiet and fast. The Leapers optic referred to as the bug buster. AO lets you bring it down to next to nothing. I used to go on wasp killing sprees in my back yard up north.



Replaced the holder for the bolt with a steel unit and riser to get clearance for the full length shroud.



At 10 meters, head shots on plastic army soldiers are a piece of cake.



24" rifled barrel is hiding in there. This was built before Crosman started their custom shop or built the Benjamin Marauder or Discovery rifles. It had a two stage trigger before being put into the wooden stock. Or having some valve work done.
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Mtnmason
Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2017 - 04:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Macbuell,

Best advice is try to find a big box store where you can handle at least one if not both. Then go home and find the best price (prob opticsplanet) online.

I have no first hand experience with Vortex. Word on the street...er... in the field is that their higher end optics are phenomenal but their low to mid-range offerings fall short of some competitors.

I do have this Burris:
http://www.burrisoptics.com/scopes/fullfield-e1-ri flescopes-series/fullfield-e1-riflescope-4.5-14x42 mm
and absolutely LOVE it! It might be a little more than what you're looking for based on the two you've narrowed down.

I will mention that if you do anticipate shots up to 200 yds when hunting, a 1-4x can get the job done but may leave a bit to be desired. Personally, I'd prefer at least 6x or more for going out to 200; you may have better eyes. Assuming that you're AR is .223/5.56 I imagine you're targets would probably be coyote/fox sized or smaller.

Let us know what you go with.
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Rick_a
Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2017 - 07:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ourdee, that's pretty cool.

I have a crappy Barska scope on my RWS 48.

Need to upgrade to a Hawke.
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Macbuell
Posted on Friday, July 21, 2017 - 12:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I just found this new burris scope that I think is the answer for me. Its brand new so I'll wait to see some reviews before pulling the trigger, pun intended, but I think it fits what I want.

http://www.opticsplanet.com/burris-r-t6-1-6x24mm-i lluminated-riflescope.html?_iv_code=BR-RS-BRT6RS-2 00475
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Gregtonn
Posted on Friday, July 21, 2017 - 05:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bought a Leapers Bug Buster for one of my 10/22 rifles. It looked pretty good until I got it out in the real world. I noticed it seemed to have parallel crosshairs. Thought maybe it was just me so I shot a few rounds using what appeared to be the "primary" crosshairs. Handed it to my brother. He aimed then said, "What's up with the crosshairs"?

I now have a Vortex Crossfire to replace it.

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Ourdee
Posted on Friday, July 21, 2017 - 08:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I remember that when I got this one they were not expensive. This one has Mil Dot reticles and have always been right.
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Blake
Posted on Friday, July 21, 2017 - 02:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

200 yds max? Consider the Aimpoint PRO with 2 MOA red dot. Rock solid, weatherproof, simple, proven, long battery life, night vision compatible.
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Rick_a
Posted on Friday, July 21, 2017 - 11:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That's a good suggestion, Blake.

I had a few of them at one point, and the one an my 44mag never gave me a bit of issue and it lived a tough life.


quote:

Most Vortex "lower end" optics are made in the Philippines.



That is simply incorrect.

The high end optics are Japanese.

Mid range is Philippines.

Low end is China.

Take a look sometime.
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Aesquire
Posted on Saturday, July 22, 2017 - 09:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/449754/conce aled-carry-permits-increasing-good-america
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