| Author | Message | ||
     Hootowl |
Dirty Laundry is not Eagles, but it is Don Henley, from his first solo album. | ||
| Sifo |
Irony of the election out in Montana. It was all but called for the Democrat by the MSM, when the Republican lost his cool dealing with a reporter and body slammed him. Could that be the act that put him over the top for the win, or is the MSM just that wrong? (BTW, that's a trick question. Both could be true.) | ||
| Ratbuell |
I think it's C) All Of The Above. He shouldn't have done it. Granted. It was - even though we all want to do it - wrong. And, kudos to him for coming out in front of it and saying so. But I believe the US public is so sick of the "press" right now, they see it as a manifestation of their own feelings and a chance to put someone in office who REALLY represents their feelings. All this crap about it being Trump's fault though? BS. Typical Democrat mentality - "there is no such thing as personal responsibility; there's always someone else you can blame; we don't like Trump so we'll pin every single bad thing that happens, on him". | ||
| Sifo |
I fully agree that he should not have done that. It does seem like there is a back story not being told though. Clearly something the reporters were doing set him off. No doubt the same stupid question being repeated nonstop, while ignoring real issues. He has shown himself to suck it up and take full responsibility for it though. I don't know this for sure, but I think it may have been questions about his election being a referendum on Trump's presidency, and being behind in the fake new polls. If I'm right about that, it really is a stupid thing for the reporters to focus on, and becomes nothing but fabricated news. It's the reporters wanting a comment on what they are creating as a story, rather than reporting on the issues. If I'm wrong on that, perhaps someone will fill us in on what set him off. | ||
| Ratbuell |
The media slant is that Trump's "fake news / fake reporters" rhetoric, and his no-bullshit approach to...well...everything, has fostered the attitude that people like this guy can get away with whatever they want. Says the party who loots, riots, burns, and "resists" in the name of "freedom". | ||
| H0gwash |
There were several angles on the Montana election that I thought were interesting. 1) Mainstream media putting pressure on conservatives to confirm or deny allegiance to Trump, 2) Undue violence against the mainstream media, (for which Gianforte apologized) and 3) Fox news reporters being witnesses and directly contradicting Gianforte's official version of the events. | ||
| Sifo |
3) Fox news reporters being witnesses and directly contradicting Gianforte's official version of the events. I have no clue how accurate (or not) the reports from Fox news may be. I do know that witnesses tend to get facts terribly wrong. Most any cop can tell you that. I think it was back in 4th grad I had a teacher do an exercise with our class. She set up 2 students to fake a fight as they came into the class room. Of course it was broken up quickly and the 2 students involved were taken to the Principal's office. We were then told to write a statement about what had happened. Then the 2 involved in the fight were brought back in and we were told the fight was scripted for this exercise. The teacher then read each account of what had happened (of course not saying who had written each account). Needless to say, there was a wide variation of what had happened. This whole thing was done to teach us how predictably poor witness accounts tend to be. What's the truth? Probably not what comes from a witness account. | ||
| Aesquire |
Just as the "Westboro Lawsuit Church" provokes others in the hopes of suing for assault, and the Soros sponsored rioters fake being local "protesters", this "reporter" seems to have deliberately provoked an emotional response. ( according to some accounts ) I doubt he was actually expecting to be thrown to the ground, ( if that's what happened... accounts vary ) but he was probably there to get some cursing, or other newsworthy reaction, based on the repetitive nature of the reported questions. It could just be an over reaction on the part of the candidate. He has apologized, which is what you do even if you are marginally justified. Best result other than an election victory, seems to be the notion that assaulting reporters could be the new normal.  According to this, biased, account, the alleged assault was not exactly one sided. http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/05/25 /montana-house-race-heats-bodies-fly-dems-smell-bl ood/ Gianforte’s campaign pushed back, saying that Jacobs entered the office without permission and “aggressively shoved” a recorder in the candidate’s face. The statement says Jacobs was asked to leave and to lower the recorder (neither of which is heard on a recording released by the Guardian). “Greg then attempted to grab the phone that was pushed in his face. Jacobs grabbed Greg’s wrist, and spun away from Greg, pushing them both to the ground,” the statement said. Fox News’ Alicia Acuna also supported Jacob’s account saying Gianforte grabbed Jacobs “by the neck with both hands and slammed him into the ground behind him.” Gianforte has been charged with misdemeanor assault and appeared to go dark Thursday, canceling interviews with both Fox News and NBC’s Meet the Press. My personal training in self defense has me doing my best to turn the tables on someone who "grabs me and pushes/pulls me to the ground". In simple terms I try to land on top, and not gently. If my hands or hand is free, to use it to maximize the damage to the attacker, and minimize it for myself. Grabbing him by any part of his person and forcing it below me while in transit is part of a defensive move. Frankly, if someone yanks me to the ground, and their throat is the handiest handle, I'd use it to slam his head into the ground first to reduce the impact on me. ( and if I'm on top, have him by the neck, and bouncing his head off the hard cold ground seems to be the best way to stop his aggression, I'm playing basket ball with his head until he stops. ) And to be clear, I'm talking a trained startle reaction, defensive only, not the reactions if I'm in a serious fight. A serious fight means someone is getting an ambulance ride. ( maybe me... I'm no Bruce Lee ) | ||
| Ratbuell |
The thing that strikes me about the fox account is, Fox is admittedly conservative in orientation. Her account sounded worse for GG than GGs account did. Something was going on in the backstory... Regardless, he's admitted and apologized. We'll see how the courts feel next week. More telling, though? He STILL WON. | ||
| H0gwash |
I think the court date will be short quick no contest and quiet. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/05/what_t he_heck_happened_with_greg_gianforte_and_that_body _slam.html more change in stories..... | ||
| Aesquire |
Purely hypocritical. .... I mean hypothetical comment on body slam hysteria. I'm no expert in the martial arts despite decades of study. ( our definitions of expert may vary ) I've had to learn to control my temper so as not to assault people who may have richly deserved a fat lip, because that kind of violence is unproductive and gets me in .....richly deserved trouble. I had this figured out by Jr. High school. I've also had to learn not to "over react" to incidental human contact. Shoves, elbows, etc. My desire not to be laid hands on must be tempered by awareness of how crowded my environment is. ( there are cultural differences on how much personal space folk want. Americans are more distant than Germans, much more than Chinese, etc. Small town folk feel crushed on city sidewalks. ... ) I saw a martial arts trained recently discharged vet react poorly to his first exposure to a Mosh pit at a bar. He got over the anger & embarrassment pretty quick, after, & it helped that I could explain why he got "assaulted". He was a little disappointed he shouldn't go back into the pit to party. That would be..... unsporting. They weren't playing the same game. So....... going from eye witnesses of "the slam" If a guy shoves an object in my face... and I try to push it away ( or grab it away ) he then grabs my arm and tries to throw me down ( or trips and drags me with him ) my response would tend to be to put him on the bottom and be aggressively rude at stopping further assaults on my person. Elbows, knees, forearm, hands, all might be used to push off & up away from the perceived attacker. Without much care for rudeness or pain inflicted. If I had been prepped to expect violence the result would absolutely be pain inflicted and possible serious damage. Not sure how much applies here to the reporter & politician. I do know there were no reports of an actual beating or crippling injury. That might not have been so if it were me. Just speculating. YMMV. | ||
| Alfau |
 (Message edited by glitch on May 28, 2017) | ||
| 1313 |
Americans are more distant than Germans Sticking to the context it was brought up, ain't that the truth! On one business trip to Berlin, I had had enough of Germans bumping into me like it was nothing out of the ordinary. I was with who is now a very high up manager at my employer. That night, which incidentally was when I had had enough, we were at a bar drinking some good German beer. Well, you know what happens after drinking some beer - I had to let some liquid out. So I was focused on getting to the can, and for some reason my colleagues was almost following me as he was right behind me. Well, one of the Germans 'bumped' into me, but since I had had enough, I didn't buckle under his impact and allow him to pass - instead I stood firm and he was the one who buckled. Since he wasn't expecting resistance, I think he actually ended up on the floor. Which he didn't really care for... As I said I was focused on getting to the can, but when the German recovered from now being able to push his way through the crowd, he came back up with vigor and took a swing at my colleague thinking it was him who he had bounced off! To this day, my colleague and I still laugh at this experience! Carry on... 1313 | ||
| Zac4mac |
And for a minute, I thought Alf took his meds on time...... | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2017/05/29 /cnns-crusade-declare-islam-part-americas-founding / Next up on MSNBC, a Special Report on how Christians create all evil as they maliciously surpress the True Worship of Lucifer. Hail Satan! ( that's not a parody. It should be. But just wait. ) | ||
| H0gwash |
Jefferson must have been the crazy liberal in his day but he is a founding father. As a kid, I was particularly struck by his bible experiment "The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth" among other of his crazy experiments. (Message edited by h0gwash on May 29, 2017) | ||
| Aesquire |
Jefferson WAS a crazy Liberal in his day. But back then Liberal didn't mean Marxist hiding behind another name. That crap happened in my lifetime. I blame Rush. ( he bought into it, the sucker ) I'm a Western Civilization Liberal. Olde School. | ||
| Aesquire |
By Olde School..... I mean...  This is a bud's wife & my kid sister before going out to do combat siege weapon combat. Yes, both are qualified to kick butt with sword & shield. But prefer to pick off their opponents at 300 yards. | ||
| Aesquire |
We know how to camp. Here's the old brute squad. I'm second from the left. Occupy folk have no idea.  | ||
| Ratbuell |
Careful with the swords, people will mistake them for MS13 machete attacks... | ||
| Hootowl |
None shall pass! | ||
| Tootal |
Going after the killer rabbit? | ||
| Hootowl |
That's no ordinary rabbit! | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/29/us/portland-train-te enager-stabbing/ rumor has it the "stabber" was a Bernie guy. No surprise that a Democrat/leftist would scream racist crap at young women and call them subhuman. It's tradition. I still don't have enough facts to tell if the Bernie fan acted in self defense against a multiple attacker assault. And it's obvious CNN has it's mantra down and will never admit it if that's the case. If he's really a violent jerk that attacks folk that are just talking to him, he should be prosecuted out of our society. ( can we put him in Hillary's cell? ) I wonder if the furor over this will fade to obscurity if it gets out he's a Bernie guy? http://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2017/05/30/fascism-po rtland-mayor-unfamiliar-with-constitution-asks-fed s-to-bar-trump-free-speech-rally/ | ||
| Aesquire |
Hootowl & Tootal, Pretty sure all of the folk in those pictures can identify your quotes. You don't do historic recreation without seeing the classics. Also see "The Princess Bride", ( short list for greatest movie, ever ) and if you can find it, "The Court Jester" with Danny Kaye. ( freaking brilliant, and if you haven't seen it, you will laugh at how much it's been ripped off over the years ) | ||
| Hootowl |
'"The Court Jester" with Danny Kaye.' Yes, classic. I looked all over for it...was amazed to find that it was on amazon prime the whole time. And remember...the vessel with the pestle has the brew that is true. | ||
| Hootowl |
more info.... http://dailycaller.com/2017/05/28/portland-killer- is-an-anti-circumcision-bernie-sanders-supporter/ The quote from Jill Stein is priceless. "Another heartbreaking tragedy in Trump’s America"... Except that you're the one who made thrills run up his leg. | ||
| Sifo |
Study finds ABC, CBS, NBC barely cover left-wing catastrophe, avoid word 'socialism' Well, the headline pretty well says all you need to know. | ||
| Sifo |
Will sever their ties with Griffin?  I don't think so either. |
