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     Reepicheep |
It's subtle, you have to remember the attackers are adaptive and hostile, and crazy smart. I'm a white hat. Here is what I would be preparing to defend against off the top of my head: They could turn your thermostat into a network sniffer, and intercept other information, and route it back to a server they harvest later. They could use information they gather from facebook, instagram, an app they sneak on your cell phone, etc. They could use this to time attacks. If they do it when you are away for 3 days in the winter, you will come back to pipes they deliberately froze, then thawed (because %^&$ you), and you have $10,000 of plumbing damage and $20,000 of colateral damage. Literally. It would be easy. In the summer, they could probably set up a cycle that is likely to damage either the furnace or the house, I bet they could easily get a house up to 160 degrees on a hot summer day, and that is beyond the temperature rating of all sorts of stuff in your house. A lot of subtle damage, and they could probably murder the heater ($5k right there). And kill your pets. They could co-opt the thermostat to overwhelm (a denial of service attack) on your door locks or other devices (from the inside, where you have less security and great bandwidth for the attack). They could use the internal entry point to access your router firewall, nearly all of which default to a well known password and no controls for the "from the inside of the network" path to it. They could use it to attack your computer, which has a different set of security settings (as per windows default) for when you are on a private network (which now isn't private). They could probably reliably detect when nobody has been home for a long time (compare your temps to the temps of 5 of you compromised neighbors and notice you are more steady than they are so nobody is opening doors, and I wouldn't be suprised if those thermostats have motion detection capability anyway). They could use a compromised thermostat to place a voice over IP call that would be traced back to you and perhaps cause a swat team to knock down your front door. They could turn your thermostat into a child porn server. The thermostat is probably secure as shipped, but it probably uses a whole stack of off the shelf bits to work, and 3 years from now, you are still using it but the maker went out of business and a security defect with software they use is discoverd, but nobody patched or cared about your poor little device for two years now. It is thrown to the wolves. I could go on, but it gets depressing after a while. | ||
| Sifo |
However, if it is being used on US citizens, it is a huge violation of their mission and probably a number of laws. Also, if there is no oversight or laws governing their use and they are just a rogue agency, then that is a huge problem as well. Not the CIA, but we know for a fact that our government is spying on our citizens. It would be silly to think that if they are going to go rogue that they would limit themselves to only monitoring technology that is close to antiquated. I would also read this quote from Clapper carefully, as a lawyer would... "During the interview, Clapper also explained that if there was a FISA court order to conduct any surveillance then he would have known about it, but continued to deny that any order was ever issued against Trump." The issue at hand regarding Trump isn't a FISA warrant. It's if Trump was surveilled by our government. I notice he didn't make such a unilateral statement that that didn't happen. Not that I necessarily believe Clapper in the first place. He has already lied to congress about these issues. http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/03/05/james-clap per-denies-any-wiretapping-activity-instantly-rece ives-brutal-fact-check-from-conservatives/ | ||
| Torquehd |
1. there's no reason to have the internet in your thermostat 2. this is common hacker stuff. The only "bombshell" would be if there was a documented case of the CIA doing something illegal in the US, WHICH HAD MAJOR CONSEQUENCES like overturning an election or vetoing a bill or getting someone falsely imprisoned or something like that. If they're using it to trap Haji Snackbar in his attempts to blow up the local courthouse, then good on them. Stuxnet anyone? Yes this stuff can be (and surely is) used for nefarious activities. But unless there's evidence that it was, then no one should be freaking out just because the CIA has the ability. If you thought they didn't, you should crawl out from under your rock. | ||
| Aesquire |
Ah, but you get paid to have a connected thermostat. My Mother bought one for that reason. It has access to her wifi. The Barry regime spied on multiple U.S. citizens. Used that surveillance to threaten & intimidate journalists reporting on their crimes, including the anti-rights Fast and furious gun running program. Erased files on laptops, left spyware, made it clear that that was just a start. I bought one journalist's book on the crimes. It doesn't take a tv movie note with cut out letters actually threatening your family. The threat is very clear when they hack your life & know where your children are. This isn't a script kiddie in his parent's basement. This is major intelligence agencies with a shady rep for killing inconvenient people. Especially led by a President that brags that he's "good at killing people"..... meaning ordering folk murdered, including his own citizens. I might have agreed with some of Barry's war crimes. It's a rough planet & his good friend Vladimir isn't shy about ordering his rivals killed anywhere in the world. But it's not a good thing for the nation for the President to have that power to decree executions without trial or controls. The fish stinks from the head. That attitude of power without responsibility permeates an organization from the top. Who do you think assassinated that DNC staffer with a bullet in the back of the head? Soviet style execution of an alleged leak. | ||
| Torquehd |
That DNC staffer didn't die from a computer virus though, and that's what people are acting like this leak is going to show. IF it documents something like that, then that will be news. If it's just, the CIA confesses to engineering its own malware - then that's not news. And so far that's all I've seen. (Message edited by torquehd on March 08, 2017) | ||
| Aesquire |
Oh, I'm for the CIA having capabilities. It's the targets and limits I care about. Most of the hysteria is silly, I agree. Still, it's obvious that abuse is ongoing and political. | ||
| Reepicheep |
I didn't watch the video, but I'd argue Stuxnet did more to prevent WWIII then risk starting it. Either we and the Israeli's used stuxnet, or the Israeli's would have used a good old fashioned pile of bombs. Doing it with stuxnet made the cause ambigous and the truth trickle out. A bombing would have been a boiling and focal point for tensions. Did you know part of the Stuxnet scheme involved carefully timed assassinations of their computer security people? And I thought my corporate auditors were bad... | ||
| Torquehd |
A computer nerd once explained to me how awesome and insane stuxnet was (he had the demeanor of a young boy explaining how cool batman is). Above my head; but I agree - it was a weapon for good and that's why I'm also all for the CIA/DIA/DOS/DOJ/NSA/USA/FLHTC having the tech. So, UNLESS the report reveals illegal targeting of US citizens, resulting in unfavorable outcomes for the republic.... then frankly it's not news, it's just a report on the CIA doing their job, and frankly it should remain under wraps, and the leaker should be caught and charged with treason. I could be wrong - maybe it will reveal some rogue cowboys using their power for their own gain. I guess we'll see. Edit: Reep I'd say the assassinations and the stuxnet program were congruent but separate activities. Likely the hackers and the assassins were both tools used by the commanding agency and the left hand had no idea what the right hand was doing, or who they were even working for. (Message edited by torquehd on March 08, 2017) | ||
| Rparnel1 |
I work at a Nuclear plant and am involved with digital equipment. When Stuxnet cames out, it scared the sh!t out of the NRC and others, who's kneejerk reaction was to promptly issue new rules and guidelines and establish an onerous cyber security program. Common sense and logic were NOT part of their rules, although they have softened and mitigated their approach over time. Still have pretty heavy requirements for digital devices, but better than it initially was. NO digital devices that are part of plant equipment at my nuclear plant are connected to the internet and we do NOT use wi-fi for the same devices. We do use some bluetooth, but that is for devices that our certified cyber gurus have determined are NOT critical digital assets. Their biggest fear is not some outsider somehow gaining access to a digital device and compromising it, but rather, an insider threat from a disgruntled employee. All that being said, almost all of the safety-related control system technology for the reactor itself is analog and mid-70's vintage. Our turbine control system is a modern Siemens control system, but it is non-safety and is NOT susceptable to the infamous Stuxnet virus | ||
| Pwnzor |
My thermostat is programmable, and it has an on/off switch. I can't imagine any scenario where I would need to control it via the internet. Nor do I need to unlock my front door with bluetooth, wifi, whatever. In my yard, under one of the many bushes, is a false rock with a key inside. That key opens the side gate. In the back yard, under another bush, is a different looking rock... with another key... to the garage. In the garage, there is another key hidden which gets you into the house. | ||
| Reepicheep |
I'd agree. And I suspect the assassinations were probably the Israelis responsibility. The morality continues to be a struggle for me. The Manning / Assange breach was pretty easy to condemn as treason. He didn't like who won the election, and decided to undermine the party in charge by leaking diplomatic cables, which were then very selectively edited to lean a particular way. Pretty cut and dried. I'm sure he convinced himself he was a fighter for justice, but I'm not sure the facts support it. The Snowden / Wikileaks breach has been harder for me to come to a conclusion on. I want to just declare it treason and move on, but he was leaking information that was illegal, unconstitutional, and all reasonable attempts within that environment for responsible ethical escalation were proving useless. We had (have) secret courts that had become rubber stamps, ordering people to submit to unreasonable government demands and then being threatened with more action if they even reported (in general terms) that the government activity was taking place. So when the actions are on their face a violation of the constitution of the country you serve, and the proper channels for addressing the problem have been shut down and when people raising these concerns are being punished and silenced, well, at some point you have an obligation as a patriot, if you have the stomach for it, to go outside that system. Wikileaks seemed to get more responsible as well, being less of an agenda driven editor, and more of a neutral platform for somewhat responsible disclosure. The practices of our government put Snowden in a tough spot where he had to make a tough call, and I don't know enough to decide if he was a patriot. But I don't know enough to conclude he was a traitor either. From what I can tell, my elected officials were doing things that violated their oath of office, and lying about it, and had dismantled all "legal" paths to responsible ethical and constitutional violation policing. They made their bed and now they are lieing, and lying, in it. I can't quite make up my mind about Snowden. I suppose I think he was both a patriot and a traitor, and I suppose there is no reason you can't be both. But I have decided that I will trade away some security to protect my liberty, which in this case means I trade some safety in order to get transparency. You don't have to go into great detail about individuals, but if you are setting up courts to force companies to do things on behalf of the American people, the American people have a right to know the nature, the frequency, and under what terms the actions have been determined to be legal. It got comical. At one point, I think it was Apple who was told they can't say when they got forced to turn information over. So they instead just declared what months they *didn't* get told to turn information over, and let people infer the rest. (And the net effect of the overreach was a loss for law enforcement. Instead of an above board "get a warrant in a court of law" process that was painful but ultimately effective, they forced Apple and everyone else to switch to encryption implementations that made it physically impossible for law enforcement to ever get the data... so now, even when courts and laws agree there is a legal reason and social good to get the data from a criminals phone, nobody can anymore. Maybe this would have happened eventually anyway, but this secret court crap made sure it happened and made sure it happened soon...) | ||
| Aesquire |
Sure, your thermostat is programmed from it's console and suits you fine. One you can program to turn the A.C. up as you pull into your neighborhood and reports to your utility will get you a check for $75 + ongoing discounts. That's in payment for the utility company having the power to reset your thermostat when demand is high, saving them billions in not having to expand power production. Saves the environment by not needing another hundred bird killing cuisinarts or acres of critter killing ( & Chinese peasant killing ) solar panels, or a clean natural gas power plant that will help solve Global Cooling. I'm not buying one, I object to the notion that a bureaucrat can change the temperature in my house and have a second by second reading of my power flow. You know, just in case I want to run secret centrifuge banks.  Mom, otoh believes Hillary never destroyed documents and Republicans are a satanic cult. ( I kinda agree on the establishment leadership ) So she has no qualms submitting to benevolent dictatorial control. Besides, they Give. Her. A. Check! | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=8889 Recreation of the Hillary/Trump debates with the "genders swapped" makes college progressives change their minds. And hate Hillary. ROFLOL. | ||
| Thumper1203 |
Interesting read.. https://idraintheswamp.com/home/intel-takeover/ | ||
| Torquehd |
I don't know why I hadn't thought of this; what if the wikileaks doc's on the CIA are being released because of Trump's accusations that he was being spied on by the O administration? Now they don't have plausible deniability. | ||
| Two_seasons |
Ocare, now Ryancare...here's the problem, slimeball ryan  ryan is a traitor of the 1st degree! | ||
| Reindog |
ryan is a traitor of the 1st degree! Please tone down the hyperbole. Politics is an art where the Constitution intentionally makes it difficult to enact change. It is akin to herding cats. The debate has begun and I am hopeful that a better repeal and replacement bill emerges for President Trump to sign. I expect President Trump will deploy his leadership and negotiating skills to help form a better bill while it trudges through Congress. Ryan and President Trump are both patriots. | ||
| Two_seasons |
Reindog, you have lost my respect. Ryan is not a patriot! His is a suck-up to the political class, the lobbyists, and the globalists. His is a do-nothing GOPe! The GOP has had 7 years to get it right and they have failed miserably! Paul Nehlen, otoh, is!  | ||
| Ourdee |
hy·per·bo·le noun exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally. We need a hyperbole emoticon. This guy may work  . Then if someone is deliberately exaggerating, they can label the statement as that. And if they are serious in the contention of the accuracy of their statement , we will know how they really feel. When it comes to politics some of us are more adamant and passionate in our opinions than others. It does not mean one or the other person is wrong. Just that they are firm in their belief. I personally stop short of proclaiming what I think about people involved in shaping politics. There are moral, religious, and legal reasons. But I won't let PC stand in the way. Kudos to all involved in political discussions on BadWeb for their restraint and behavior. | ||
| Aesquire |
Traitor to whom? Trump isn't his buddy. You aren't. The people as a whole? Looks like congress wants the worst parts of Obamacare and toss the best. Depends which angry pundit you read. These folk can mess up a wet dream. | ||
| Fast1075 |
This thread needs some........OKRA!!!!!  | ||
| Court |
>>>The GOP has had 7 years to get it right and they have failed miserably! The Republicans are sure, at the moment, looking like a group of mice tied to a lit package of firecrackers. They are going every which way with, what appears to the layman, no direction. You would have thought . . they during the last 7 years of griping and moaning . . . that they would have a well thought out plan . . . a solution to our national embarrassment left by the prior administration. | ||
| Reepicheep |
You mean a plan beyond "take my turn being the beneficiary of the current system"? | ||
| Torquehd |
How about this?! http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/03/amazing-us -debt-decreased-60-billion-since-trump-inauguratio n/ Look at the difference between the Trump spreadsheet and the O spreadsheet. | ||
| Two_seasons |
from Americanthinker.com... March 10, 2017 The Dark Cloud over the Trump Presidency By Steve McCann There is an old French adage that applies to the Republicans in Congress and perhaps the Trump Administration: “Plus ca change, plus c’est la meme chose” (“The more things change, the more they stay the same”). The appetite for ever greater government spending appears to be no different than in previous years. This uncontrolled addiction, unless reined, in will cast a dark cloud over entire term of the Trump presidency. Rather than an outright repeal, the hierarchy of the Congressional leadership has just given birth to an amended version of Obamacare that does not eliminate subsidies but recasts them as tax-credits, continues Medicare subsidies to the States, and forwards to the states a gratuitous $100 billion not included in Obamacare, thus perpetuating and accelerating the level of government spending that would have occurred under Obamacare. (Beyond the spending in the bill, this legislation is essentially an acknowledgment that the Democrats have won the battle and there will be, sooner rather than later, a single payer government run health care system in the United States. Beyond the spending and other provisions in the bill, this legislation is essentially an acknowledgment that the Democrats have won the battle and there will be, sooner rather than later, a single payer government run health care system in the United States which will assuredly bankrupt the country. Based on the current per capita cost of the National Health Service in England, the outlay in America when, and if, that day occurs will be in excess of $1.1 Trillion per year (in addition to the current spending on Medicare and Medicaid) or nearly 30% of the current Federal Government budget. Disappointingly, President Trump and his Administration have thrown their support behind this plan and are apparently determined, with perhaps a few minor amendments, to pass this lobbyist written legislation to the point where Trump is openly ridiculing Republicans, such as Senator Rand Paul, who are opposed to it. And, in what could be a major blunder, he apparently is open to the eponymous Trumpcare. Additionally, the Administration continues to discuss a $1Trillion (over ten years) infrastructure package ostensibly structured as a private/government partnership, but very few of the projects under consideration are conducive to a partnership with private capital as there is no mechanism for a return on investment for potential investors. Thus, leaving the taxpayer to fully fund the vast majority of any proposed projects. A pet scheme of the Administration is a proposal for mandated six-month maternity leave and government funded (through tax credits) childcare. The price tag is estimated to be at least $500 Billion over ten years and that number does not take into account the cost of the mandated maternity leave on the private sector. There is an absolute need to a dramatically increase Defense spending, which was deliberately underfunded over the past eight years. That vital spending will amount to an increase of approximately $1.5 Trillion over the next ten years. Without any changes or overhaul, the mandatory spending on Social Security, Medicare and interest on the national debt will increase in excess of $3.2 Trillion over the next ten years as the nation’s population ages and the debt continues to expand exponentially. In January of this year the Republicans in the Senate passed a budget resolution that included an estimated $10 Trillion dollars in new debt over the next ten years. However, that budget resolution did not include the cost of such items as the childcare proposal or the very real potential for rising interest rates, which would impact the annual interest payments. These two items alone could potentially increase the deficit by another $1.5 Trillion. Today the national debt stands at $20 Trillion ($10.6 Trillion in 2008). The debt is now 108% of the U.S. Gross Domestic Product (GDP) or the monetary value of all finished goods and services produced in a year. By comparison, the comparable debt for all the nations of the world totals $58 Trillion and this debt is 73% of the global GDP. Thus, the United States with less than 5% of the world’s population, and whose Gross Domestic Product accounts for 23% of global GDP, is responsible for nearly 35% of global sovereign debt. By adding another potential $10 Trillion in debt over the next ten years, the United States is projected to increase its share of the global debt to nearly 40%. Meanwhile, even with a robust average GDP growth of 3% per year (which the Republicans assumed) for ten years (it has averaged 1.4% per year since 2008), the debt to GDP ratio would increase to 120%. While there has been talk of spending reductions by the Trump Administration, the potential cuts do not begin to offset the new proposals. Their adamant refusal to propose any reforms of Social Security and Medicare, which account for nearly 60% of all federal government spending, guarantees massive deficits into the foreseeable future. The long-term unfunded financial commitment of these programs and other entitlements, if not dramatically revised, amounts to over $105 Trillion, or more than five times the current GDP. At the pace the nation is presently committed to spend, by 2028 the unfunded liabilities will amount to over $145 Trillion or six times projected GDP. The Trump team is relying on annual economic growth in excess of 4.0% per year to increase tax revenues and thus minimize the debt over the next ten years; however, the United States has not experienced a prolonged period of 4% annual growth since a four-year period in the late 1990’s, when the national debt was $5.5 Trillion and just 58% of the GDP. Further, with the changing demographics and global competition, the odds of this kind of growth occurring for an extended period of time are extremely remote and far too nebulous to rely upon, particularly in light of the potential for serious global financial instability over the next few years. While President Trump has done some very good things, this unwillingness to tackle head on the out-of-control spending, in particular the entitlement programs, is very disappointing and will, in the long-term, cast a shadow over his presidency. Regardless of whatever else he accomplishes, if the nation is financially worse off at the end of his term than before, his will be a failed presidency. Donald Trump may well be the last President that can reverse this headlong dash into national insolvency. He must grab the reins, as there is little chance this Republican Congress will be more than their usual feckless selves easily swayed and intimidated by the media, the Democrats and lobbyists as they proved once again with the dreadful proposal to replace Obamacare and their unwillingness to curb overall spending. Donald Trump, on behalf of the nation’s children, grandchildren and future generations, has to make reining in government spending his first priority. There is an old French adage that applies to the Republicans in Congress and perhaps the Trump Administration: “Plus ca change, plus c’est la meme chose” (“The more things change, the more they stay the same”). The appetite for ever greater government spending appears to be no different than in previous years. This uncontrolled addiction, unless reined, in will cast a dark cloud over entire term of the Trump presidency. Rather than an outright repeal, the hierarchy of the Congressional leadership has just given birth to an amended version of Obamacare that does not eliminate subsidies but recasts them as tax-credits, continues Medicare subsidies to the States, and forwards to the states a gratuitous $100 billion not included in Obamacare, thus perpetuating and accelerating the level of government spending that would have occurred under Obamacare. (Beyond the spending in the bill, this legislation is essentially an acknowledgment that the Democrats have won the battle and there will be, sooner rather than later, a single payer government run health care system in the United States. Beyond the spending and other provisions in the bill, this legislation is essentially an acknowledgment that the Democrats have won the battle and there will be, sooner rather than later, a single payer government run health care system in the United States which will assuredly bankrupt the country. Based on the current per capita cost of the National Health Service in England, the outlay in America when, and if, that day occurs will be in excess of $1.1 Trillion per year (in addition to the current spending on Medicare and Medicaid) or nearly 30% of the current Federal Government budget. Disappointingly, President Trump and his Administration have thrown their support behind this plan and are apparently determined, with perhaps a few minor amendments, to pass this lobbyist written legislation to the point where Trump is openly ridiculing Republicans, such as Senator Rand Paul, who are opposed to it. And, in what could be a major blunder, he apparently is open to the eponymous Trumpcare. Additionally, the Administration continues to discuss a $1Trillion (over ten years) infrastructure package ostensibly structured as a private/government partnership, but very few of the projects under consideration are conducive to a partnership with private capital as there is no mechanism for a return on investment for potential investors. Thus, leaving the taxpayer to fully fund the vast majority of any proposed projects. A pet scheme of the Administration is a proposal for mandated six-month maternity leave and government funded (through tax credits) childcare. The price tag is estimated to be at least $500 Billion over ten years and that number does not take into account the cost of the mandated maternity leave on the private sector. There is an absolute need to a dramatically increase Defense spending, which was deliberately underfunded over the past eight years. That vital spending will amount to an increase of approximately $1.5 Trillion over the next ten years. Without any changes or overhaul, the mandatory spending on Social Security, Medicare and interest on the national debt will increase in excess of $3.2 Trillion over the next ten years as the nation’s population ages and the debt continues to expand exponentially. In January of this year the Republicans in the Senate passed a budget resolution that included an estimated $10 Trillion dollars in new debt over the next ten years. However, that budget resolution did not include the cost of such items as the childcare proposal or the very real potential for rising interest rates, which would impact the annual interest payments. These two items alone could potentially increase the deficit by another $1.5 Trillion. Today the national debt stands at $20 Trillion ($10.6 Trillion in 2008). The debt is now 108% of the U.S. Gross Domestic Product (GDP) or the monetary value of all finished goods and services produced in a year. By comparison, the comparable debt for all the nations of the world totals $58 Trillion and this debt is 73% of the global GDP. Thus, the United States with less than 5% of the world’s population, and whose Gross Domestic Product accounts for 23% of global GDP, is responsible for nearly 35% of global sovereign debt. By adding another potential $10 Trillion in debt over the next ten years, the United States is projected to increase its share of the global debt to nearly 40%. Meanwhile, even with a robust average GDP growth of 3% per year (which the Republicans assumed) for ten years (it has averaged 1.4% per year since 2008), the debt to GDP ratio would increase to 120%. While there has been talk of spending reductions by the Trump Administration, the potential cuts do not begin to offset the new proposals. Their adamant refusal to propose any reforms of Social Security and Medicare, which account for nearly 60% of all federal government spending, guarantees massive deficits into the foreseeable future. The long-term unfunded financial commitment of these programs and other entitlements, if not dramatically revised, amounts to over $105 Trillion, or more than five times the current GDP. At the pace the nation is presently committed to spend, by 2028 the unfunded liabilities will amount to over $145 Trillion or six times projected GDP. The Trump team is relying on annual economic growth in excess of 4.0% per year to increase tax revenues and thus minimize the debt over the next ten years; however, the United States has not experienced a prolonged period of 4% annual growth since a four-year period in the late 1990’s, when the national debt was $5.5 Trillion and just 58% of the GDP. Further, with the changing demographics and global competition, the odds of this kind of growth occurring for an extended period of time are extremely remote and far too nebulous to rely upon, particularly in light of the potential for serious global financial instability over the next few years. While President Trump has done some very good things, this unwillingness to tackle head on the out-of-control spending, in particular the entitlement programs, is very disappointing and will, in the long-term, cast a shadow over his presidency. Regardless of whatever else he accomplishes, if the nation is financially worse off at the end of his term than before, his will be a failed presidency. Donald Trump may well be the last President that can reverse this headlong dash into national insolvency. He must grab the reins, as there is little chance this Republican Congress will be more than their usual feckless selves easily swayed and intimidated by the media, the Democrats and lobbyists as they proved once again with the dreadful proposal to replace Obamacare and their unwillingness to curb overall spending. Donald Trump, on behalf of the nation’s children, grandchildren and future generations, has to make reining in government spending his first priority. Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2017/03/th e_dark_cloud_over_the_trump_presidency.html#ixzz4a x1p88vO Follow us: @AmericanThinker on Twitter | AmericanThinker on Facebook | ||
| Two_seasons |
Traitor to whom? The U.S. Constitution The people as a whole? Them too Paul Ryan is a traitor. He swore an oath to the U.S. Constitution to fight all foreign and domestic enemies of the United States. There are many on both sides of the aisle! Better than Boehner? Not really! We haven't had a good Speaker since Newt. Fight for your rights as enumerated in The Bill of Rights and our Constitution. Our posterity is counting on us. Tell these cowards in D.C. you've had enough of the mealy-mouth go-along-to-get-along crap. The left has been destroying our country for almost a hundred years now. And the GOPe has been allowing it. This is absolutely the reason we need TERM LIMITS...at all levels of gov't!!!  | ||
| Torquehd |
For those of us who don't know the latest about Paul Ryan, could you tell us why he's bad/good? What has he done/is he doing? | ||
| Two_seasons |
Torquehd, here you go. I'll just use this one site, you can search others. https://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.americanth inker.com/articles/2015/10/paul_ryan_a_poor_choice _for_speaker.html&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwiJkdr9is3SAhWo1I MKHdzSBzIQFggFMAA&client=internal-uds-cse&usg=AFQj CNGGcfUo-AQw_dYfgZjzJ_TiQgnR-A https://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.americanth inker.com/blog/2016/06/paul_ryan_reveals_who_he_re ally_is.html&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwiJkdr9is3SAhWo1IMKHdz SBzIQFggIMAE&client=internal-uds-cse&usg=AFQjCNFz9 tiHrT_2agQjW85xhhgrO2MfEA https://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.americanth inker.com/blog/2016/03/paul_ryans_upsidedown_estab lishment_vision_of_political_unity.html&sa=U&ved=0 ahUKEwiJkdr9is3SAhWo1IMKHdzSBzIQFggLMAI&client=int ernal-uds-cse&usg=AFQjCNGlq6XmEgO2OcnxpIb45VY_wSAM OA https://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.americanth inker.com/articles/2016/03/some_politically_incorr ect_answers_for_paul_ryans_survey.html&sa=U&ved=0a hUKEwiJkdr9is3SAhWo1IMKHdzSBzIQFggOMAM&client=inte rnal-uds-cse&usg=AFQjCNHLoXLE2Bd39eozIHhfl-wh8oDGO A Hopefully you'll read these links. You can search Paul Ryan for thousands of articles written in the last couple of years. You ought to live here, he's considered a bum! | ||
| Aesquire |
Just because Hillary lost is no reason to stop telling your congresscritter what to vote against. Yes, I'm happy that Hillary's thugs won't be kicking doors to take your property and rights. Sure, I'm happy not to have Obama vacationing around the world telling terrorists when they can attack with impunity and everyone how evil the United States is. Ok, he'll keep doing that but he'll only get part of his entourage paid for out of our taxes. But you still have to keep the pressure on congress. Even more today since the slime will push bad stuff and try to ride Donald's coat tails. Keep paying attention. Don't lose your rage. Keep your powder dry. This isn't the end of progressive evil. It might if we're lucky be the beginning of a light shown on the cockroaches scurrying about. And CNN will I bet accuse Trump of cannibalism.  | ||
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You ought to live here, he's considered a bum! ^ My go-to's for political news and commentary feel, with considerable conviction, the very same way about Ryan. I've donated money to very few political candidates over the years. When R&R were running for P/VP I donated multiple times to their campaign (and spent a considerable amount of time promoting them here on BWB). Late in the campaign "something" happened to them. By that, I mean it appeared they had both been given orders to stand down campaign-wise (but still put on a good front). My take at the time was that they had gained enough traction with the electorate in general that they were very close to achieving critical mass. They both, figuratively, woke up one morning with severed horses' heads in their respective beds, to put it a different way. In my opinion. I'd REALLY like to think I didn't grossly misjudge Ryan's (and Romney's) character. I believed he was a patriot. I *think* he may STILL be a patriot. But, he's certainly "changed." In my opinion. Why? Hard to say. Bribery? Perhaps. Threat of physical harm? Perhaps. Or, perhaps, he was a wolf hiding in sheep's clothing all along. I still hold out hope that down deep inside he's a patriot. But my level of confidence in this regard is quite low. I've studied up on Nehlen several times over the past year and a half or so, have listened to him speak via YT, and have done some research into what apparently makes him tick. I like what I hear and see. Based on what I *think* I know, I'd be happy to see Nehlen as Speaker. I doubt it can happen, but it'd be a net positive, IMO. FB |
