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Alfau
| | Posted on Monday, February 20, 2017 - 07:19 am: | 
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You have been on a hay ride reep, gearbx rebuild. lots of questions from you. now your an expert.
You have been through enough to know the TRUTH.
let it flow brother. |
Alfau
| | Posted on Monday, February 20, 2017 - 07:46 am: |
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oldfart. why sadly?
sad for who?
Buell is dead not me. |
Damnut
| | Posted on Monday, February 20, 2017 - 07:47 am: |
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Why on earth do we let this dimwitted, Buell hating troll on this site still? He clearly does not contribute to this site except in a negative way. |
Alfau
| | Posted on Monday, February 20, 2017 - 08:04 am: |
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Because you need objective opinions slug. |
Damnut
| | Posted on Monday, February 20, 2017 - 08:43 am: |
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No, actually we don't. |
Natexlh1000
| | Posted on Monday, February 20, 2017 - 08:49 am: |
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I actually saw him post something constructive to the old school directory once.
That means he is only 99.7% useless prick. |
Alfau
| | Posted on Monday, February 20, 2017 - 08:55 am: |
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WW3 lol |
Alfau
| | Posted on Monday, February 20, 2017 - 08:59 am: |
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Good example of Pathetic. |
Alfau
| | Posted on Monday, February 20, 2017 - 09:07 am: |
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No, actually we don't.
Biased ? |
Crusty
| | Posted on Monday, February 20, 2017 - 09:19 am: |
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Alf; you need stronger meds. |
Alfau
| | Posted on Monday, February 20, 2017 - 09:25 am: |
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I tried meds, no joy. Sleeping all day isn't the answer. thanx for caring. |
Hughlysses
| | Posted on Monday, February 20, 2017 - 09:28 am: |
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Motorcycling is very therapeutic; why not go for a ride? |
Alfau
| | Posted on Monday, February 20, 2017 - 09:32 am: |
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I didn't pick you as biased . |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Monday, February 20, 2017 - 10:24 am: |
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quote:I tried meds, no joy. Sleeping all day isn't the answer. thanx for caring.
I understand and am genuinely sympathetic. But this isn't the answer either Alf.
Is there anything we can genuinely do to help? Does this venting here help you, or just make it worse?
Honest question. The outbursts aren't too hard to tolerate here if this is helping you, but I don't want us feeding into something if its self destructive for you. |
Mnscrounger
| | Posted on Monday, February 20, 2017 - 10:52 am: |
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To try and pull us back out of Alf's group therapy..
( but your health and safety does matter Alf )
Hybird and Hugh: I didn't mean by "shared" that there would be ANY parts interchangeability, or financial intertwining. I envision each manufacturer with its own line of products, personnel, and its own dealer price structure. The consortium would simply be an agreement between the OEMs to share dealer networks. Whether the individual dealers actually chose to sell a given line would be up to them to decide based on the market they are in. It would mean that if a CCW dealer wanted to stock a Zero, EBR or a Motus, they would be able to by one at the OEMS dealer price, and would have access to support from the factory with regards to service and warranty claims. IF they used EBRs floated model of tiered dealer pricing, the dealer would get a bigger margin if they chose to stock one or two (or more) and have a demo. While not perfect, it gets OEMS access to markets and a (more)local POC in a potential customers area, and it gets dealers a broader range of products to offer their walk in customers.
If the individual OEMS wanted to play off of each others strengths, (think "The Avengers"), it opens the door to contracted services between the partners. Think of CCW and the part manufacturing strength Bruce Belfer and ACM bring to the table, the Engineering capabilities EBR bring to the table, the system controls and power management of Zero's team. It doesn't mean they HAVE to work together, but it would give them all a leg up when going head to head with their deep pocketed competitors. |
Natexlh1000
| | Posted on Monday, February 20, 2017 - 11:05 am: |
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>>Good example of Pathetic.
99.8%
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Ourdee
| | Posted on Monday, February 20, 2017 - 11:16 am: |
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I don't mind helping a brother out. I get angry at myself when I let someone play me. I am angered more if I enable someone's self destruction. I've watched people end it all, and I have found the bodies of those that died alone. Acting out is a symptom not the illness. Quit picking on others. It makes you look small. Realize there is greatness in yourself and pull it out of the fire. Negative comments put in the form of a question opens the topic up for solutions. Reading to learn is different from reading to respond. As writing for responses does little to educate others. Work on edifying others and you are more likely to be fed. Over 99% of the people I have met through Buells are people that stand out in their willingness to do the right thing and lift others up in stead of putting them down to gain a higher in their mind position. I have learned by meeting these great enthusiasts to spot those that let the greatness out. I have tried to read my way to greatness. You know , self help books, syke books, etc. The only way you become great is in helping others achieve it. Look for the positive when everyone is turning their back on someone. Just a little lift is all the boost some people need. Alf ate cats. I don't like cats. Get your fill. But, Alf didn't eat cats in front of those that would be offended by it. And he did not leave droppings from defecation that was a result of said feast in the house. I'm saying, be yourself, respect the host's house, and add some uplifting content. The video above is a start if used to help others instead of using it for selfish or self centered purposes. There are a lot of people that have made it out of the trenches and try to lift others out. Helping has incredible far reaching rewards. It is hard to receive anything into your own hand when the fist is holding so tightly onto what little we truly have. |
Ourdee
| | Posted on Monday, February 20, 2017 - 11:27 am: |
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I see the problem as getting everyone into a fair position with each other. I see a big struggle with the achievement of cooperation between competitors. In some way one of them will win out over the others. A most excellent thought of synergies. How do you place a value system into it to stop someone from being used up and discarded. |
86129squids
| | Posted on Monday, February 20, 2017 - 11:59 am: |
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RD, I like your style. Given that my sis is a chaplain, I've always tried to emulate her in word and deed- life's too short to deal with excess negativity if there's no need. I look to raise folks up wherever possible... someday I may be in need of a lift.  |
Mnscrounger
| | Posted on Friday, February 24, 2017 - 11:47 am: |
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Ourdee, both of your points are absolutely correct IMO.
"In some way one of them will win out over the others."
Perhaps one will "win out". Life ain't fair, as we all know. But if one brand has the sales volume, they no longer need the collective outreach. The sales figures in given markets will also tell them which dealers to court. If an OEM wants to leave the consortium because their tired of providing support and discounts to dealers who aren't officially theirs, fine, but they also lose the market outreach it comes with. Personally I think it would be the lesser of two evils, when the alternative is not selling enough models to keep your assembly line moving.
"How do you ... stop someone from being used up and discarded."
A risk every business takes when they open their doors. EBR is a shining example of exactly that. The difference here is there are minimal financial entanglements. A CCW dealer is not OBLIGATED to by a ZERO. Their dealer arrangement is with CCW. Again using the floated EBR tiered model, dealers could order and sell consortium partner products, presumably on a smaller margin from MSRP, determined independently, by each OEM consortium partner. It beats not selling the customer on your floor anything at all.
If a dealer finds a partner product is not well made,too intensive for their shop to support, (or just doesn't sell), they are only out the money they floated to try the brand.
Flip side, if sales are strong on that partner product, it opens the door to upping from "partner" to an "official" dealer for that line. Then the contracts for dealer commitment,full dealer discounts, and increased profit potential come into play.
Think of it as speed dating for the American motorcycle industry.
"Just go ride the motorcycle"
Just try out the dealer...
Just sell the bike(s)... |
Hybridmomentspass
| | Posted on Saturday, February 25, 2017 - 08:01 am: |
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Mns - If someone wanted to stock those companies now, what stops them? Doesnt seem like there would be any real change in the system with your idea.
They need to get low cost and high quality = mass production. Sharing some parts would allow for that. Being in a consortium together doesnt do much for them...but maybe Im way off on this. But I dont see that being the thing that makes a dealer think "I want that/those bikes!" if they arent thinking it already.
And I like how you threw Belfer in there lol |
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