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Pwnzor
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2017 - 07:54 am: | 
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I don't understand why there should be a tiered M-class license... it's so easy to get one, it just doesn't make sense to me.
Getting run over by a truck on a 250 is the same as getting run over by a truck on a 1000.
You're out there, risking your own ass... so get the license, wear the gear, and ride what you want.
Somehow, it never clicked in my head that this bike was a single cylinder.... I saw the 90mpg claim and liked that aspect. The Ninja 300 gets about 60, and is fun as hell to ride. Guess we'll have to wait and hear from somebody who has ridden one of these. |
Hughlysses
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2017 - 08:29 am: |
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don't understand why there should be a tiered M-class license... it's so easy to get one, it just doesn't make sense to me.
I believe the idea is to prevent new riders from immediately jumping in the deep end of the pool. Plenty of kids go out and buy a new 600 cc 4 cylinder as their first bike, do something stupid and get maimed or killed. You can still do plenty of stupid stuff on a 250, but it'll at least be at a more sane speed. |
Dave
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2017 - 08:58 am: |
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I think insurance companies have the data that it is more likely to have a greater risk (claim) as engine size increases. It's seems the 999cc is significant.
DAve |
Crusty
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2017 - 09:44 am: |
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I learned to ride back in the '60s The bikes I had any experience on were a Honda 90 and a Suzuki 80. One day, a friend got a brand new Honda 350, and let me take it out for a ride. The power felt almost overwhelming and I felt that I was barely in control. As time moved on, I bought bigger and more powerful bikes, but I always remembered that first ride on a "big" bike.
It's a lot easier to control a lighter and less powerful motorcycle. I've known people who had to get a bigger bike as their first bike, and the size and power, combined with their lack of skills got them into trouble.
I believe in a tiered licensing system. Even though some people could probably handle a bigger and more powerful bike and the system would hold them back, the majority of people become better riders by starting on smaller and less intimidating machines.
If riding a motorcycle is a scary experience, how long before riding becomes an undesirable activity? Starting with an easy to manage fairly low powered bike can turn riding into fun. Once the skills are developed, then people can move up . |
S1owner
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2017 - 10:03 am: |
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I dont agree at all with starting out on a 250 or 300. Started my son on a 650. In our area to get in the county roads you have to get to 55-60 with a snap of the finger. I had friends in 250 and they were scared todeath to get out as they could not get up to speed quick enough. Stupidity is starting on a gxsr 1100! |
Hybridmomentspass
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2017 - 10:08 am: |
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Thats a great looking bike! |
Crusty
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2017 - 10:55 am: |
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If it actually gets 90 MPG, it would be a great city or commuter bike. I could see me owning one for buzzing around town, if the ergos fit me. I really liked the Blast in every area except for the ergos. I felt like I was folded like a pretzel, and it wasn't fun for me to ride for any length of time. In a better proportioned chassis, I could definitely see me owning one as a city/commuter bike.
That 47Moto might just be a gas sipping bundle of fun.
To be honest, though; I'm not sure if I'd have much trust in that engine.
Then again; people said the same thing about Honda 90s when they first started appearing in the US in the early 60s. |
86129squids
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2017 - 01:13 pm: |
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What Crusty said...
My first "real" bike, after a Moto Morini moped (with pedals, 'natch, AND fuel-in-frame!) was a Suzuki TS125. My 2 best buddies had similar bikes, but one had parents who were both avid riders. Dad even had an original '78 GS1000S, Wes Cooley edition...
One day he shows up on his mom's beautiful silver Yamaha Seca 550. Lets me ride it to the dead end, about 1/8 mile away... that thing was SO fast, it was probably the first time my ass sucked up the whole seat. SOMEHOW I managed to reel it back, just as I was getting into the dead end gravel...
I can still see/feel the whole experience to this day.
One thing I really wish for, in both cars and MC's, is thorough, mandatory, well-designed driver/rider safety classes. The EU seems to have figured this out... and for CHRISSAKES we should either INDOCTRINATE folks nowadays about NOT texting, or FORCE smartphone manufacturers to disable the devices when moving anytime. Even when walking. There is at least one Asian country that has legislated designated lanes on the sidewalk for texting morons.
Sorry about the rant. I feel about cell phones the way most here feel about Obama and Clinton.  |
86129squids
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2017 - 01:16 pm: |
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Oh wait- I just realized that there are SO many idiots whom now must text at a red light, that doing that idea would cause gridlock everywhere.  |
Zacks
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2017 - 04:10 pm: |
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Loved the picture of the bike and since I was going to the Chicago IMS show yesterday, hunted down their booth.
It will not be joining my herd as much as I was looking for it to do so.
Definitely too small for my 6' lard butt.
The seat is about 4 inches wide at the point it joins the tank.
Straddling the seat, I think it comes 3/4 the way up my thighs - so it's short, supposedly it was set at the middle riding position so that may be the reason.
My knees contacted the frame between the tubes kind of locking them in place.
I foresee bruises in the future.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not hating on it. I still love the looks and the design and think it will make a great city/commuter bike. Just need to up the size a little bit for me.
One thing she did mention that wasn't clear on the website (to me) was that you can unbolt the tail section and they are going to offer kit(s) that can change the look and function. |
Dave
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2017 - 09:49 pm: |
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http://us12.campaign-archive1.com/?u=d19f3e833d2a0 c2e62a85fa11&id=54c25a099b&e=9fdc32600f
I like it the idea. Engine is from a Honda /Hyundai supplier I believe I read? 2 year warranty too.
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Pwnzor
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2017 - 09:59 pm: |
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My first bike was a '76 CB750. I guess I'm jaded, because my friends were riding Ninja 900's and GPZ 1100's and I couldn't wait to get something more powerful.
I was confused when I got my GPZ 550 for about 2 minutes because I couldn't understand how a 550 could have twice the horsepower of a 750, but damn it that bike ran like a scalded dog...
Of course back then there was no helmet law in California, and I didn't really care about having a motorcycle license, or any other license for that matter.
I guess I can see the logic in tiered licensing now... |
Midknyte
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2017 - 11:04 pm: |
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It's a neat, er, cute bike, but it just ain't priced right.
You can get even get BMW's new 300 with ABS for a full grand less...
http://m.bmwmotorcycles.com/us/en/bike/urban/2015/ g310r/g310r_overview.html |
Ourdee
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2017 - 11:50 pm: |
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I keep thinking 300cc is enough to get me to AK. |
Pwnzor
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2017 - 05:54 am: |
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Yep... BMW would get my money before I'd buy the unknown.
I take back my last statement about tiered licensing. On further reflection it's just a way to create more money for the DMV.
Get the all encompassing M license and start on a small bike if you want.
You can't fix stupid, people will do what they want. |
86129squids
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2017 - 12:25 pm: |
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Ooohh, GPz550... ALWAYS wanted one! Had a hooligan buddy in high-school who'd almost always wheelie his when leaving school. |
Greg_e
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2017 - 05:24 pm: |
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Can't say I'm really for the tiered licensing, but an IQ and impulsiveness test might be a good substitute to keeping the kids from killing themselves. |
Fast1075
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2017 - 11:47 pm: |
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I learned to ride on a 4.9 horsepower Honda 90. The speed limits on two lane roads were 70. The poor thing would go 52 if I rode it like Ollie Free. Never really had a problem with power and speed except to get away from that dog down the street that would run out in front of me, and then chase me.
My current ride is a 15 HP Honda scooter. It has more than enough zip to keep ahead of urban traffic, which has gotten so thick here recently, I seldom get anywhere near the 69 mph top speed.
The engine on that bike is rumored to be built by SYM, who does in fact also build engines for others. I wouldn't be afraid of the reliability.
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