In - Of Course It Was Going To Happen - News: A judge in New York has barred Trump's executive order temporarily banning immigration from the list of countries with suspected terrorist ties.
^ Links are helpful; it's always nice to know who's pushing the narrative.
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New York Federal Judge Intercedes To Clear Airports of Current Limbo Visa Holders By Sundance, 01/28/2017
While there is much pontification and opinion about a judicial ruling by New York Judge Ann Donnelly, the decision is actually quite narrow. The judge’s involvement is specifically and narrowly only targeted to current permitted visa holders who were in the limbo zone between travel (during XO) and the denial of entry upon landing.
Despite the insufferable airport protests being promoted on U.S. MSM, there are less than 200 people nationwide who were in the limbo zone. The ruling stops DHS from forcibly turning around a group of currently valid visa holders arriving from Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen. Nothing more.
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NEW YORK […] U.S. District Judge Ann M. Donnelly ordered a halt to any removal of refugees or others who hold valid visas to enter the United States—meaning those who have arrived at U.S. airports from the seven predominantly Muslim countries named under the President’s executive order can remain, for now.
The judge did not rule on the legality of the executive order, nor did she say that others who have not yet arrived in the U.S. can be allowed to proceed.
Border, ICE Agents Cheer Trump Actions By Paul Bedard, 01/28/2017
President Trump’s decision to build a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border and stop the free flow of refugees until they can be vetted better is reviving the morale of customs and border agents, according to the union representing both.
“Morale amongst our agents and officers has increased exponentially,” said a joint statement from the National Border Patrol Council and National ICE Council.
"The men and women of ICE and Border Patrol will work tirelessly to keep criminals, terrorists, and public safety threats out of this country, which remains the number one target in the world – and President Trump's actions now empower us to fulfill this life-saving mission, and it will indeed save thousands of lives and billions of dollars," it added.
While there is much pontification and opinion about a judicial ruling by New York Judge Ann Donnelly...
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On November 20, 2014, President Barack 0bama nominated [Ann] Donnelly to serve as a United States District Judge of the United States District Court for the Eastern District of New York...Senator Charles Schumer recommended Donnelly for the position.
As noted in the election threads where our American "movie stars" declared they were going to go north if Trump won...Canada has strict immigration policies that stress not only productivity/marketability, but also French/English speaking and higher-learning degrees.
They do have a refugee policy - but as you can see below, their numbers are effected because it is much more strict than that of us here in the USA. What else is keeping them from getting flooded, I wonder, besides the fact that they expect their immigrants to FOLLOW THE RULES and BE PRODUCTIVE CITIZENS once they arrive?
And...that's all our current administration (finally) wants our policies to do for the USA. If you're going to come in...you better do your part. I'm not here to pay your bills; my neighbor isn't here to pay your bills. Become fully legal, do a job, pay your taxes, and pay your own bills.
Or go to Canada, where they'll tell you to do the same thing (albeit more politely). And you'll be colder.
As of 2008, 6,471,900 foreign-born permanent residents lived in Canada, representing just over 20 percent of the total population — the highest proportion since 1931. Comparatively, the corresponding proportion of immigrants in the United States in 2009 was 12.5 percent of the total population.
And please note: the numbers above for Canada are, presumably, for LEGAL and REGISTERED immigrant citizens ("foreign-born PERMANENT residents"). Somehow I don't see them having the same problem we do with illegals...
*Total population numbers are according to a quick google of "Canada total population", and "USA total population".
Department Of Homeland Security Response To Recent Litigation Release Date: January 29, 2017.
For Immediate Release Office of the Press Secretary Contact: 202-282-8010
WASHINGTON – The Department of Homeland Security will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders in a manner that ensures the safety and security of the American people. President Trump’s Executive Orders remain in place—prohibited travel will remain prohibited, and the U.S. government retains its right to revoke visas at any time if required for national security or public safety. President Trump’s Executive Order affects a minor portion of international travelers, and is a first step towards reestablishing control over America's borders and national security.
Approximately 80 million international travelers enter the United States every year. Yesterday, less than one percent of the more than 325,000 international air travelers who arrive every day were inconvenienced while enhanced security measures were implemented. These individuals went through enhanced security screenings and are being processed for entry to the United States, consistent with our immigration laws and judicial orders.
The Department of Homeland Security will faithfully execute the immigration laws, and we will treat all of those we encounter humanely and with professionalism. No foreign national in a foreign land, without ties to the United States, has any unfettered right to demand entry into the United States or to demand immigration benefits in the United States.
The Department of Homeland Security will comply with judicial orders; faithfully enforce our immigration laws, and implement President Trump’s Executive Orders to ensure that those entering the United States do not pose a threat to our country or the American people.
Honestly, put yourself in their shoes. You want to go to a country. You get your visa and your plane ticket. You fly over and land only to find their gov't telling you to turn around and go back? That would piss me off pretty good. Do unto others...
With all due respect, would you feel so magnanimous if one of YOUR loved ones had died at the hands of someone who hates America?
President Trump is addressing a serious problem our nation has (actually, he's addressing multiple problems). It's a tough job, and finally we have a president with the stones to identify the problem and actually DO something about it, instead of kicking-the-can-down-the-road platitudes.
In just one week President Trump has already fulfilled many of the items outlined in candidate Trump's 100-day action plan to make America great again, i.e, his "Contract with the American Voter."*
Including, beginning the process of securing our nation's borders.
Somebody should tell Justin that Canada will turn people away at the border for any of the following reasons:
1) They don't have health insurance. 2) They have had a DUI. 3) They might, while in Canada, do work that a Canadian could get paid to do.
The third even applies if you just want to go up there and wait tables so you can be a ski bum for the winter, or if you want to go spend the summer with your girlfriends family and offered to help them build a deck while there to thank them for feeding you and giving you a room.
The people criticizing Trump the loudest seem the least informed.
Magnanimous is not what I'm feeling. I'm just trying to find a reasonable place to draw the line and I don't think its right to do that after they have already landed here with a visa in their hand. The cutoff should have been no more visas. Whoever already has a visa, come on over. What are we talking about? How fast do they give out visas? A few hundred to a few thousand?
Most Claims About Trump’s Visa Executive Order are False or Misleading By William A. Jacobson, 01/28/2017
Debunking the supposed “Muslim Ban” and other accusations-gone-wild.
Yesterday Donald Trump signed an Executive Order on refugees and visa entry procedures.
You should read the actual EO, because most of the media and leftist pundits either have not, or are lying if they have.
There are some stark policy differences about immigration and refugees over which people can disagree — those were argued at length during the election season. But the hyperbole and frenzy being exhibited in the media and by leftist pundits is hyperbole at best, fakery and lying at worst.
There is a postponement of entry from 7 countries (Iraq, Syria, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen) previously identified by the Obama administration as posing extraordinary risks. That they are 7 majority Muslim countries does not mean there is a Muslim ban, as most of the countries with the largest Muslim populations are not on the list (e.g., Egypt, Indonesia, Malaysia, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Turkey, Nigeria and more).
Thus, the overwhelming majority of the Muslim world is not affected.
Moreover, the “ban” is only for four months while procedures are reviewed, with the exception of Syria for which there is no time limit.
There is a logic to the 7 countries. Six are failed states known to have large ISIS activity, and one, Iran, is a sworn enemy of the U.S. and worldwide sponsor of terrorism.
And, the 7 countries on the list were not even so-designated by Trump. Rather, they were selected last year by the Obama administration as posing special risks for visa entry, as even CNN concedes in passing:
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The order bars all people hailing from Iraq, Syria, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen. Those countries were named in a 2016 law concerning immigration visas as “countries of concern.”
The executive order also bans entry of those fleeing from war-torn Syria indefinitely.
Seth Frantzman has an excellent analysis of this Obama administration background to the list. Please read the whole thing. The short version is that the Obama administration selected those countries — whose names are not mentioned in Trump’s EO.
Franztman provides this image of text signed into law on December 18, 2015, as part of the Omnibus Appropriations Act of FY2016:
Sarah Harvard at Mic also recounts the history:
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So, in a nutshell, Obama restricted visa waivers for those seven Muslim-majority countries — Iran, Iraq, Syria, Sudan, Somalia, Libya and Yemen — and now, Trump is looking to bar immigration and visitors from the same list of countries.
Frantzman notes that no one complained when the Obama administration selected these countries:
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What? So there was a Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015 two years before Trump? There was a kind of “Muslim ban” before the Muslim ban? But almost no one critiqued it in 2015 because it was Obama’s administration overseeing it.
So for more than a year it has been US policy to discriminate against, target and even begin to ban people from the seven countries that Trump is accused of banning immigrants and visitors from. CNN even hinted at this by noting “those countries were named in a 2016 law concerning immigration visas as ‘countries of concern.’” But why didn’t CNN note that the seven countries were not named and that in fact they are only on the list because of Obama’s policy? …
Because mainstream media has been purposely lying, either due to ignorance or because of unwillingness to read the document and ask questions and because they are too ready to accept “facts” without investigating. They want to blame Trump for a “Muslim ban” because they were ready with that script since last year.
Trump Business Connections
An offshoot of the “Muslim ban” claim is the claim that Trump deliberately excluded countries in which he does business.
This argument is made in order to claim Muslims are targeted even though most of the Muslim world is not affected.
The problem, of course, is that Trump worked off of the Obama administration’s list of particularly risky countries for visa entry. To lay the blame on Trump’s business interests is a lie, or as Frantzman puts it, fake news:
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Most disingenuous, truly bordering on fake news, are the reports that claimed the seven countries were connected to Trump business interests, as if Obama’s DHS picked them because of Trump?
Well done, Prof, well done. This is an extremely well-written, well-researched and well-documented (multiple citations for further research and study) TOTAL AND COMPLETE DEBUNKING of the outright lies being perpetuated this weekend via the mainstream media and their masters against our new president.
These numbers represent the power President Trump has to reach an audience at minimal cost [and in real time], and without having to depend upon the mainstream biased, dishonest media that the last 18 months and the work of Wikileaks, Project Veritas and others, including our own eye/ears, have proven them to be.
With one click of his finger, President Trump can get his message out 78 million times. He can publish videos and messages to counter broadcast and print media lies on 9 different sites to an audience of many millions.
President Trump has also published his position papers, briefs and press releases on his personal and official websites to put the truth out in black and white.
If you do your research...we're talking about a couple *hundred* travelers.
Not thousands.
Not millions.
A couple HUNDRED. One plane-full, if you put them all together.
And quite frankly...just like the President's meetings and all the questions about "why did you ignore/why didn't you meet with" (per Spicer - "It's been ONE DAY")...you just have to start somewhere. Whenever that is, whatever time, whatever day...there's going to be overlap. Period.
A couple hundred people? That's pretty goddamned good, considering how many people travel in and out of our country every day.
Magnanimous is not what I'm feeling. I'm just trying to find a reasonable place to draw the line and I don't think its right to do that after they have already landed here with a visa in their hand. The cutoff should have been no more visas. Whoever already has a visa, come on over. What are we talking about? How fast do they give out visas? A few hundred to a few thousand?
I get what you are saying, but how many do you figure were actually on airplanes, and found themselves at their destination to be blocked at the customs desk. Probably no more than a handful at most. It happens for other reasons too. I imagine it sucks, but so do terror attacks. Put America first, then sort out how we can safely vet people coming from suspect areas.
No matter what day such a legal ban is imposed some people will be caught in transit and have to be dealt with carefully. Just as they were the other day. AND back when Obama did the same thing, some were caught in transit and dealt with. But you never heard about that because reporting the truth is no longer the job of the propaganda arm of the DNC. Protecting Obama's legacy is.
Didn't read much about Obama bombing multiple countries either. ( those bombings may or may not have been wise. You'll never know until your neighbors are dead because of revenge for them )
As to these being "Muslim" countries? Once they were Christian and Pagan. Muslims murdered or chased them away or let some few remain as second class subjects.
The lines on the maps and the establishment of countries were a European act. British & the French almost exclusively. After the fall of the Ottoman empire these nations were created to pay off the allies of the British & French. And.... again post WW2.
History note. Saddam's clan fought for the Nazis in WW2. The Soviets in the Cold War. And their own power for the last few decades.
Similar patterns are found from the Atlantic to China.
You can internet search the news for "Obama refugee ban" for interesting comparison stories which are not being reported by MSM or Fox, presumably because they've got bigger stories to sell right now.
On the Apprentice WH edition, Some poor apprentice probably got fired from the show for insufficient vetting and got sent home in a limo. Cry.
Soros Bankrolling Effort to Stop Trump’s Temporary Refugee Halt Order By Debra Heine, 01/29/2017
The flurry of anguished news stories and protests surrounding President Trump’s executive action temporarily suspending “immigrants and non-immigrants” from "countries of particular concern” appears to be part of a coordinated PR effort financed by left-wing billionaire George Soros.
Rather than a complete "Muslim ban" as promised during the campaign, Trump's executive order contains moderate refugee restrictions, similar to those that have been implemented by President Obama. If reports are true that restrictions are being applied even to green-card holders, that is an unfortunate misapplication of the law that will likely soon be corrected.
Protesters quickly materialized Saturday at JFK Airport, where some refugees were being temporarily detained.
Who are these people?
"Make the Road" is a NY-based far-left non-profit funded in part by George Soros.
According to Breitbart's Aaron Klein, the signatories to the lawsuit filed Saturday to block Trump’s executive order included immigration lawyers from groups financed by Soros.
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At least one case quickly prompted a legal challenge as lawyers representing two Iraqi refugees held at Kennedy International Airport in New York filed a motion early Saturday seeking to have their clients released. They also filed a motion for class certification, in an effort to represent all refugees and other immigrants who they said were being unlawfully detained at ports of entry.
The suit was filed by lawyers from the International Refugee Assistance Project, the National Immigration Law Center, the Jerome N. Frank Legal Services Organization at Yale Law School, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), and the International Refugee Assistance Project (formerly Iraqi Refugee Assistance Project) at the Urban Justice Center.
The ACLU is massively funded by Soros’s Open Society Foundations, including with a $50 million grant in 2014.
The National Immigration Law Center has received numerous Open Society grants earmarked for general support.
The Urban Justice Center is also the recipient of an Open Society grant.
Taryn Higashi, executive director of the Center’s International Refugee Assistance Project, which is listed on the Trump lawsuit, currently serves on the Advisory Board of the International Migration Initiative of Soros’s Open Society Foundations.
Reportedly, open-borders advocate Soros has provided some $76 million for immigrant issues over the past decade, as Soros-funded “immigrant rights groups” helped influence President Obama’s immigration policy.
