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     Fb1 |
From the Reuters link:
^ Breathtaking. So: Wisconsin = 10 electoral votes Michigan = 16 electoral votes Pennsylvania = 20 electoral votes 10 + 16 + 20 = 46 electoral votes As it stands now, Trump has 306 electoral votes, Clinton has 232. You need at least 270 EVs to win the presidency. Do the math: Trump: 306 - 46 = 260 Clinton: 232 + 46 = 278  (Message edited by fb1 on November 25, 2016) | ||
| Fb1 |
From Jill Stein's website (https://jillstein.nationbuilder.com/recount):
According to her site, as of this moment they have raised $5,448,325.30. FIVE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS! In two days? From "the people"? With a maximum donation amount (per her site) of $2700? Bullshit. One wonders which occurs first: civil war, or martial law... | ||
| Glitch |
According to her site, as of this moment they have raised $5,448,325.30. If the right had raised that, the left would say that money should go to a good cause, and that the right shouldn't try to go against the will of the People. | ||
| Sifo |
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| Bandm |
http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?p0=26 3&iso=20170120T00&msg=Time%20left%20until%20Obama% 20leaves%20office | ||
| Glitch |
WHERE IS THIS MONEY COMING FROM?!? They are some rich alligators in that swamp | ||
| Alfau |
They are still trying to stop that galoot. http://www.businessinsider.com.au/donald-trump-jil l-stein-recount-hillary-clinton-2016-11 | ||
| Ducbsa |
Some perspective: http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/11/reco unt-freakout.php | ||
| Fb1 |
Stein is being used in the recount as a surrogate for Clinton, for several obvious reasons. Here's one of them:  (image source: https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/11/26/hi llary-clinton-joins-recount-efforts-in-wisconsin-m ichigan-and-pennsylvania/) And yet:
^ Source: http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-11 -26/clinton-campaign-will-participate-in-stein-s-s tate-recounts Yeah, sure. Re: the "rich alligators," Stein raised over $5,000,000 for the recount in just over 48 hours, including OVER THANKSGIVING DAY. This would not normally be possible. Consider that Stein only raised three point-something million dollars during her entire presidential campaign. There's BIG money behind this recount, which ISN'T coming from grassroots donors. And, quite obviously, Stein is being used as a surrogate for Clinton. One has to ask: 1) Where's the money coming from? 2) What's the end game? By the way, if Stein were president, THIS is the caliber of people we'd have running our country: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XgB5F2buwY Dayum. | ||
| Glitch |
1) Where's the money coming from? The Clintons and George Soros, them some rich alligators right there 2) What's the end game? Trump is out Sorry if your questions are rhetorical  Dayum. yeah....dayum.... and what with the mobile home wallpaper...? | ||
| Fb1 |
What's the end game? And WHY is Stein waiting until the last possible second to ask for recounts?
Source, more: http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/electi ons/2016/11/25/recount-would-have-move-quickly/944 17686/ | ||
| Fb1 |
Sorry if your questions are rhetorical Yup.  | ||
| Ratbuell |
Easy. She waited because it could nullify the state's votes when the recount isn't done on time. In other words...she has no faith in the idea they'll "win" the state...but she wants to invalidate Trump's win, via late-date technicality. "If I can't have it (the state's electoral votes)...nobody can!" ...same process with the other states. Why not file all 3 states at once? Why ELSE wait until right at the deadline? Make 'em ALL late, make 'em ALL invalid. (Message edited by ratbuell on November 27, 2016) | ||
| Sifo |
Hand recounts are insane if you are looking for an accurate count. Humans simply don't perform well doing tedious things for hour/days at a time. Of course, if accuracy isn't the point... Given that it's the electronic machines that are supposedly in question (which Michigan didn't even use BTW) How would you ever even do a hand count of an electronic vote? Well, it's obvious that the excuse for the recount isn't the issue. Given the cash being raised for lawyers, I'm going out on a limb and guessing that there will be piles and piles of legal motions to cripple the system. It's going to make the Bush/Gore election look straight forward. Funny how the left lectures about the right pulling this crap, but they are the authors of this sort of crap. I fear the Al Franken election was just a dry run. | ||
| Snacktoast |
Sure, having Trump out is Stein's endgame...but why? It's clear, since she's planning to file in only republican won states, what the endgame is. Unless I'm mistaken (it's possible), and unless she was only politicking (very likely), did she not say that she was very much against Hillary in the White House? The woman had to know that her campaign didn't stand a snowball's chance in hell. Was it just an attempt to take votes from Trump, and when that was unsuccessful she comes home to roost with her lefty friends? I'm truly asking, since I know very little about her. | ||
| Aesquire |
There are many reasons not to like The Republican Leaders. There are many reasons not to like Donald Trump. ( one reason to like him is the Republican Leaders hate him ) None of that really matters since none of that was mentioned during the campaign. Instead it was a creation of lies and emotional appeals, hate & fear, propaganda & quarter truths made into total lies, that was the whole campaign against Trump. If you watch the 24/7 "news cycle".... You KNOW, from CNN & MSNBC & ABC & CBS & ETC. that Trump is a Nazi multi-phobe that will imprison any who oppose him. ( because all you believe, all you ever heard, are the lies, and you are so ignorant you don't know who the Nazis were... Socialists, btw. ) It only makes sense that you would oppose BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY, Trump the NAZI DEATH CAMP BRINGER!!!!! The ultimate irony is that every attack on Trump, ( with the exception that he's a jerk ) is in reality and throughout history the real facts about the Leftists... not the running dog Capitalist Donald. When Jimmie Carter ended Civil Defense and gave us FEMA, they began building "refugee centers" aka "concentration camps". Under Republican administrations the Lefties feared these and complained about the dire nature of them... Under Democrat administrations the Righties feared and complained. With considerably more reason, given the history of Re-education, Concentration, Internment, and Death camps the world over ( including in the U.S. ) under Leftist regimes. I bet you a burger that those camps will be a major part of the propaganda for the #HATE&PANIC crowd in the next few years. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/11/the_de mocrats_real_strategy_in_launching_recounts.html | ||
| Snacktoast |
I think there is some merit to that article, Aesquire. Based on that logic, it clearly explains why they are waiting until the last day possible to file in each state. | ||
| Aesquire |
I don't know if the article is correct, but it does make sense. I'm just happy I made it through Thanksgiving without alienating all my relatives, and hope that things get better. I also want a gyro copter like from the Original Mad Max movie, because things getting better is not the agenda of some very rich and very evil people. | ||
| Zac4mac |
Autogyro | ||
| Torquehd |
I'd never heard of an autogyro; this looks amazing! Edit: Amazing concept. Take a glider and turn the fixed wings into rotary wings. I had to do a little research to understand it. Mind blowing. (Message edited by torquehd on November 27, 2016) | ||
| Aesquire |
"Autogiro" and "Gyrocopter" are both trademarks of De la Cierva, and Igor Bensen, respectively... ( Cierva Autogiro Company, Bensen Aircraft ) Other terms include gyroplane & autogyro, or just gyro. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autogyro The how they fly is interesting. The utility of the concept is impressive. They fly nicely in higher winds than regular planes, and are capable of simply landing on a spot, safely and easily. Quite maneuverable, and has a broad speed range. You burn more fuel for the same speed as a winged airplane, and there are limits on top speed, because, like a Helicopter, at some speed the retreating rotor blade stalls. Also take offs are not as short as landings, usually, depending on the type of system you use to pre-rotate the blades up to flying speed. With a small ultralight gyro you simply push the blades by hand to get them spinning, then use the wind from the propeller to spin them up, and finish spinning them up to speed by rolling down the runway, accelerating. Several companies make Gyros in complete & kit form. Fun craft. Plus, there's a version called the "hopper-copter" where you have a more complex control system and spin the blades at flat pitch with engine power up to faster than flying speed, disengage the power to the rotor, and pitch the blades to flying Angle. The gyro then leaps off the ground using the stored energy in the rotor blades, and transitions to forward flight... ( and if this sounds scary to you, you're probably sane ) Works, but it's complex and expensive. I'm unaware of any hopper types for sale in 2016. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6xjCUVuUzg http://www.cartercopters.com/pav | ||
| Glitch |
Other terms include badass! If I had ever done that, I may have spent my spare time in the air rather than rippin asphalt | ||
| Fb1 |
Cool stuff, but please stay on topic. FB | ||
| Crusty |
Why? Isn't this an internet forum? Topics are supposed to drift. | ||
| Fb1 |
She waited because it could nullify the state's votes when the recount isn't done on time. -- Ratbuell Well, it's obvious that the excuse for the recount isn't the issue. Given the cash being raised for lawyers, I'm going out on a limb and guessing that there will be piles and piles of legal motions to cripple the system. --Sifo Sure, having Trump out is Stein's endgame...but why? It's clear, since she's planning to file in only republican won states, what the endgame is. --Snacktoast As Brother Glitch pointed out above, my question...
...is obviously rhetorical. As the left has said all along, ever since Trump announced his candidacy:
But: If they, the left, via Right? So for the sake of argument, in the above scenario what else may be at play to close this 28-point gap between the two and give Clinton the White House? Would nullifying the EVs in PA, WI and MI, if it comes to that, sew enough chaos and doubt (whether real or imagined) in the integrity of the overall election results to provide a plausible excuse for, say, 29 "faithless" electors in other states? I know what the end game is - keep Trump out of the White House. And it's quite obvious that Stein and her people aren't actually the ones orchestrating this dog and pony show. Inauguration day is a long way off. Is there another shoe (or two) waiting to drop? I find it interesting that Trump chose Donald McGahn as Assistant to the President and White House Counsel.
(source: https://www.greatagain.gov/news/president-elect-do nald-j-trump-selects-kathleen-troia-%e2%80%9ckt%e2 %80%9d-mcfarland-serve-deputy-national.html Although the Federal Election Commission (FEC) was founded to regulate the campaign finance legislation in the United States, I'm quite sure that Mr. McGahn is well-versed in all aspects of election law. | ||
| Fb1 |
Why? Isn't this an internet forum? Topics are supposed to drift. This thread is entitled "President-Elect Trump." Enough said. | ||
| Aesquire |
Doesn't that mean "the apocalypse is nigh"? It does according to the Fidel Castro lovers. Which is the best recommendation I can think of for Donald. | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
I'm all for a recount. What I really find ridiculous is that these folks campaign for 2 years but then the vote just has to be counted overnight. All votes should be on paper and then hand counted and it takes as long as that would take. No freaking computers. No hacking. Another thing. When candidates debate on TV they should be able to use video to show where the other candidate said something that he/she is denying. That would keep these serial liars from denying what they clearly said. This would certainly keep candidates from claiming they said something or didn't say something. I'm absolutely sick of all the low down carrying on of the people that run for office.  | ||
| Fdl3 |
Preventing Trump from becoming President? Sure. The abolition of our Republic electoral college system in favor of a Democracy popular-vote/mob-rule system? Even better! |
