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Aesquire
Posted on Sunday, November 20, 2016 - 02:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You fight to win or you don't fight. Simple. Moral.

Bush signed off on Afghanistan before 9/11?????
Please give references.

The war Hillary made on Libya was based on lies... why attack a man who gave up him wmd program & was keeping the jihadi suppressed? Oil for France? Ego for Hillary?

Not a fan of Lt. Kaddafi ( his rank before his coup ) but he was a non threat. With diplomacy & time Libya was rejoining the nations of the world. Not anymore, thanks to Barry & Hillary. ( Barry's minions blame Hillary for Libya saying Barry was reluctant. You pick which lying sacks to disbelieve )

Or are you still laboring under the lie that Saddam Hussein had no wmds?

He did. Bill said so when he bombed Saddam. Hillary said so when she pushed to attack Saddam. So did John Kerry. Hillary voted to authorize force in Iraq. ( No One voted to authorize force in Libya )

Turns out there were in fact tons of yellow cake uranium in Saddam's bunkers. It has been shipped to Canada.

Thousands of tons of poison gas were missing from where the UN had counted them when the Allies took Iraq. Not all has been found.... but enough that the Brits built an incinerator to destroy the stocks already found.

Now if you want to discuss how badly Bush the Younger screwed up the occupation I'd be glad to go over that.

If it's a parrot of the Clinton lies that's your deal.... sorry. You have a lot to learn. ... because they've lied to you and you have a lot to unlearn that's just plain false to fact.
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Sifo
Posted on Sunday, November 20, 2016 - 04:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

As far as the quotes from the Major General. I do not hold that mentality of "killing people because they are assholes" as a neat way of living. As much as I could not fathom Clinton getting in among all the corruption in the foundation etc and how much I despise her "above the law" mentality and the pretentious attitude during the hearings about Benghazi (basically an as the major general put it) I wouldn't want to kill her. That is disturbing and Immoral.

Let's keep his comments in context. When he made that statement, he was talking to solders who were about to go into a guerilla war zone. Applying that to, even an the size of Hillary, is simply not being true to the context at all.

I too would appreciate a reference for Bush planning to invade Afghanistan before 9/11. What was the supposed motive? Did we have a sand shortage?

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Tankhead
Posted on Sunday, November 20, 2016 - 04:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Aesquire.
You fight to win or you don't fight. Simple. Moral.

Killing people because they might be assholes is amoral. I might be an would you like to shoot me?

Bush signed off on Afghanistan before 9/11?????
Please give references.

I just googled it. Many many articles. you can argue all you want about the validity of the article and motive however as you will see below your yellow cake idea is just as crazy...
I think your google foo is just as good as mine. It's out there
The war Hillary made on Libya was based on lies... why attack a man who gave up him wmd program & was keeping the jihadi suppressed? Oil for France? Ego for Hillary?
Check out the famous pic of Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam after Iraq bought our WMD's years before...Again Google is your friend.

Along with the lies about the Iraq, Syria, etc. Check out what Wesley Clark had to say about that : 7 countries in five years speech....youtube

Libya: We came, we saw, he died. Neat. Some people say we had a hand in that.

WMDs built in tiny makeshift traveling wheeled convoys, massive bunkers in Afghanistan built inside of mountains, Rumsfeld said "there is not just one of these, but many. Never ever showed any proof. Ever. Great cartoons of it though....

Yellow cake in Canada: snopes is your friend. Bullshit? I have no idea nor do you... we weren't there...

Bush screwed up the occupation? Could it be that it was designed to fail. Some say yes. Halliburton doesn't make money if there is nothing to rebuild. Keep the complex humming......

Not sure why you feel like you need to tell me, ME, that I have a lot to learn, and that people have lied to me. They have lied to you and everyone else wouldn't you agree?

If you were not in the room when the stuff happened then my friend, you know nothing. I know nothing. Theories. reading something in print, seeing something on You tube, blah blah blah
You and I both know nothing more than what we read or see. Unless you or I was there, truth will never be found.

Conspiracy Conspiracy, NO one knows.... that's just plain false to fact...
To say you know is not honest.

I know nothing because I was not there. I can search and research all day every day but in the end... bulls*t. i post these things to show that there are conspiracies about everything....
I hope trump can take care of the military, veterans, change obamacare, lower taxes on middle class, get rid of patriot act etc, and uphold the constitution

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Aesquire
Posted on Sunday, November 20, 2016 - 04:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

One of my complaints about the Obama dishonesty regime was his insistence that Iraq was the "wrong war" and Afghanistan the "Right war".

If anything, the opposite was true.

Kicking the Taliban out of power was a positive thing, trying to prop up the next govt. was not. Anyone with a brain, and everyone in Afghanistan knew the new leader was corrupt. Which wasn't the problem from the local point of view. The local point of view was that NO central government can rule the tribes. And centuries of war have shown that you can kill or oppress the Hill People but never rule them. Ask Alexander, or the Brits, or the Soviets.

Plus, when Barry took office, Afghanistan was pretty much a stalemate. We had the cities, the Talib had the villages, and nothing short of punting Pakistan in the nuts was going to change that since Pakistan was supporting the Taliban. By 2008 it was obvious the right thing to do in Afghanistan was to hand it over to the UN and let them fail. But No. Barry tried to copy Bush in Iraq, which was stupid, and I bet lost far more troops than Bush did. ( but CNN would never tell you that )

Iraq was an urbanized, fairly modern country. Cell phones, tv, electricity. Not counting the Kurds, and keeping in mind the religious conflict built in, taking and holding the cities, "The Surge" and slaughtering AQ actually led to a peaceful, if screwed up nation. Until Obama screwed them.

Afghanistan is a hillbilly redneck group of clans and tribes that have been killing each other for all of recorded history. Indian recorded history, not the short sighted new guy European stuff. Afghanistan has a few cities, and the rest is iron age villages.

Using the same tactics as Iraq is stupid. And it didn't work.

In the end, if you're not willing to win, don't fight. Letting Pakistan be a refuge for the Taliban means you will never win.

It amazes me how the same idiocy that led to the screw ups in Korea & Vietnam get repeated. You can't let the enemy hide over the border to come back refreshed to kill.

If you're not willing to keep going, don't start.

If I'd been in charge of the Iraqi occupation, I would have taken out Iran, who was the major supplier of weapons & refuge. I would not have attacked the Soviet Ally Syria, because... Putin. I would have close that border with extreme lack of cultural sensitivity.

There are times to be sensitive to the native cultures. Slow down, and have some tea before coming to the point when negotiating. That's just common sense.

There are time to be seriously insensitive.
When jihadi cross the border to kill you, kill them and burn the bodies so that the smoke is a warning that Hell is coming for your enemies, and you are not to be trifled with.

Burning the bodies of the enemy is a big cultural no-no... but since the powers that sent them deny they are true representatives of Islam, that's what you parrot back when you don't treat them as holy warriors, but instead they must be Infidel scum.

You either force the enemy to admit the truth, or force them to fear the results of their lies.
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Alfau
Posted on Sunday, November 20, 2016 - 05:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Learn from China!
They simply bought industry in America and quietly took over. No need to fight.

http://fortune.com/2016/03/18/the-biggest-american -companies-now-owned-by-the-chinese/

They are doing this in other countries too. They build Railroads and general infrastructure, no killing.
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Alfau
Posted on Sunday, November 20, 2016 - 05:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Columns/2016/04/11/C hina-Buying-US-Companies-Does-Anyone-Care
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Aesquire
Posted on Sunday, November 20, 2016 - 05:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

No killing?
Hundreds of millions murdered.
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Tankhead
Posted on Sunday, November 20, 2016 - 05:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Taking it out of context. I don't believe that was his point...but ok.
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Tankhead
Posted on Sunday, November 20, 2016 - 05:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Kicking the Taliban out of power was a positive thing, trying to prop up the next govt. was not. Anyone with a brain, and everyone in Afghanistan knew the new leader was corrupt. Which wasn't the problem from the local point of view. The local point of view was that NO central government can rule the tribes.

Unfortunately that is not our fight. OBL was going to be handed over to USA by the Taliban if USA could prove with evidence that he had a hand in the attacks. We could not or did not. Boom WAR.

Uhh, heroin in the USofA is at it's all time high. Seemed to be almost not a problem in the 80's.

But when I went and visited a local high school in the mid to late 90's it was again a local problem.
Taliban destroyed poppy.
Since then the heroin is a huge problem again. Interesting.
Now, don't accuse me of being a Taliban apologist. Not the point. Heroin is the point. Don't spin.
Ever wonder how it gets here? I do? alot.
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Tankhead
Posted on Sunday, November 20, 2016 - 05:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I remember watching in horror the Nick Berg murder. I had never seen anything like that in my life before. I cried in fury over that damn video. Lately I have been reading and reading and what I stumbled upon is quite interesting and disturbing. But didn't hear MSM screaming it from the roof tops now did we.
WIKI:

Encounter with Zacarias Moussaoui[edit]
On May 14, 2004, it was revealed that Nick Berg had been investigated during the U.S. government's investigation of Zacarias Moussaoui. Berg's email address had been used by Moussaoui prior to the September 11, 2001, attacks. According to Berg's father, Nick Berg had a chance encounter with an acquaintance of Moussaoui on a bus in Norman, Oklahoma. This person had asked to borrow Berg's laptop computer to send an email. Berg gave the details of his own email account and password, which were later used by Moussaoui. The FBI found that Berg had no direct terrorism connections or direct link with Moussaoui.[19]

Arrests and confessions[edit]
On May 14, 2004, citing "Iraq sources", Sky News reported that four people had been arrested for the murder.[citation needed] Two were later released.[20] Alternatively, on July 5, 2004, Sky News reported that four men were arrested in connection with the Nick Berg decapitation.[21]

On August 5, 2004, Le Nouvel Observateur published a feature story by Sara Daniel[22] detailing her meeting with one Abu Rashid, a leader of the mujahadeen council in Fallujah. He claims that he killed Nick Berg, Kim Sun-il and Iraqis who collaborated with U.S. forces. He also states that they attempted a prisoner exchange with Berg and were rebuffed by the U.S. officials.



WTF
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Tankhead
Posted on Sunday, November 20, 2016 - 06:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sorry

I apologize to the original poster for thread drift.
Rude of me.

Carry on.

Sorry.

Back to Trump.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Sunday, November 20, 2016 - 06:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Killing people because they might be assholes is amoral.


In everyday society, I agree. Amoral and extreme.

However, in an active war zone where there are countless unidentified threats on top of those already identified? It takes on a completely different context.

Unless you're part of the MSM, where context has zero meaning...
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Aesquire
Posted on Sunday, November 20, 2016 - 06:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Heroin. Yeah I'm going to give Georgie and Barry half credit on that one.

In any event It seems we agree that the "Afghanistan is the righteous war" business was stupid.

As to the Taliban handing over Osama? Yeah, I'd say that too after I got kicked out. One thing that sane people know is you just don't trust the word of people who devoutly believe it's a blessing to lie. Osama, the Taliban, AQ, ISIS, The nice folk running China with an iron fist, and of course, the former head of the KGB, now in charge of the Russian Empire.

Oddly, I do trust Vladimir more than Hillary, but that's like saying you prefer burning clap to ebola. True but not a positive statement. I trust Vladimir as far as I can throw him... and since I'm crippled that's measured in angstroms.

The situation that Trump is inheriting is more wars than 8 years ago, more debt ( doubled plus ) and instead of a effete Europe content to call Bush a Cowboy, we have a panicked Europe that knows Obama will screw them, a Russia even more angry and desperate, and a rise in terrorism that is growing. Combined with the deliberate downsizing of the U.S. Military and the firing of many flag officers that aren't regime chosen for political reliability, this is not good.

So will Trump be a Teddy Roosevelt? Or a FDR?

One thing for sure, whatever MSNBC says, it's probably wrong.
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Tankhead
Posted on Sunday, November 20, 2016 - 07:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

As to the Taliban handing over Osama? Yeah, I'd say that too after I got kicked out.

I believe that was BEFORE they got their ass beat. Which is a big deal. But.......again.... check my bullshit... cause I am just posting what I have read.....

Listen, not to disrespect, but when you pose things to me I try and do somewhat of a quick search. I don't like to be in a thread where the other person doesn't at least check what I am saying to be true (as far as that can be)
Check out General Wesley Clark, check out OBL taliban request, check out afghan war signed before.... I am not writing to win points. Most of the rabbit holes I have entered is because I have an open mind. Question everything....
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Fb1
Posted on Sunday, November 20, 2016 - 07:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Fb,
Sorry for the confusion.


Hey, no worries, and no confusion, just trying to better see where you're coming from.

My intent was to say that I hope Trump pulls out of the Middle East.

I'm convinced, to the best of my ability, that Trump will do what's best for our country in every decision he makes.

As far as the quotes from the Major General. I do not hold that mentality of "killing people because they are assholes" as a neat way of living.

Yes, but one has to consider the context in which he made this statement.

As much as I could not fathom Clinton getting in...I wouldn't want to kill her. That is disturbing and Immoral.

Agree, but again, one has to consider the context in which he made that statement; it doesn't apply to the situation in your comment above.

As far as news sources, I guess Fox, RT, Corbett report, CNN, Local news channels, Yahoo, Prison Planet, Breitbart, NPR... I listen and read a wide array..

Cool, good for you. CNN, Yahoo and NPR are leftist propaganda machines, but you probably already know that.

The bush reference was to time stamp when and who was in office during the decision to go to war. I hope, according to Trumps narrative, that he doesn't change his position and keep us in these wars.

I *think* Trump would prefer not to engage in war, any war. He's a businessman, first and foremost, and I think he's got better plans for America than being a warmonger.

I am not in favor of a "fight to win" mentality if the war you are fighting is based on a huge bullshit lie.

I *think* Trump is savvy enough, and honest enough, to avoid a situation like this.

So I am hopeful that this MG has an opinion of lets get our troops home..period...Doubtful though..

Trump's got a long row to hoe; the outgoing pResident is leaving behind quite a mess. I think Trump will make us all proud.

If you are going to drain the swamp I would prefer getting lifetime politicians out of the new administration.. whatever party affiliation...

Yep, this is one of the planks in his "Contract for America."

Sorry for the scattered thoughts just don't have time right now to cut and paste your thoughts to mine.
Thanks for your time in answering above.
I posted the above posts also for information spreading.


Hey, no worries, I (and surely others) am enjoying the conversation, and learning things along the way. : )


You and I both know nothing more than what we read or see.

This comment from you wasn't directed at me, but I wanted to quickly say a hearty "I agree!"

We are all at the mercy of "the media" in the quest to discover, as best we can, the truth, whether the media is mainstream or non-mainstream. I filter everything I read and hear, and do as much fact-checking as time allows.

I trust very damn little of what I hear on TV or read in a newspaper. The trick is to learn to spot the spin, which becomes pretty easy if one just practices a little bit.

I like actively seeking my news on the internet (as opposed to passively receiving my news from more conventional sources), as I can do my own research, fact check, vet and verify (or not, as the case may be), etc.

Not everyone has the time for this, of course.

My advice (for what it's worth) to anyone who'll listen: VET YOUR NEWS!

The mainstream media, as has been proven, is lying to us (more accurately, they're being PAID, by the LEFT, to lie to us).

That's why I ask folks so often: Where do you get your news?

Thanks again for the conversation.

FB
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Tankhead
Posted on Sunday, November 20, 2016 - 08:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

We are all at the mercy of "the media" in the quest to discover, as best we can, the truth, whether the media is mainstream or non-mainstream. I filter everything I read and hear, and do as much fact-checking as time allows.

I trust very damn little of what I hear on TV or read in a newspaper. The trick is to learn to spot the spin, which becomes pretty easy if one just practices a little bit.


Thanks FB, eloquently spoken

You have always been fair with me and I to you. I appreciate that.

Have a good week.

Chris
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Fb1
Posted on Sunday, November 20, 2016 - 08:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks Chris, back atcha.

Best,
Ferris

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EYU3VTI3IU
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Fb1
Posted on Sunday, November 20, 2016 - 08:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Civil Rights & Law Enforcement Groups Are Strongly Supporting Sen. Jeff Sessions for Attorney General:
https://www.greatagain.gov/news/case-you-missed-it -civil-rights-law-enforcement-groups-are-strongly- supporting-sen-jeff.html

What They Are Saying: Praise for President-elect Donald J. Trump's Selection of Gen. Flynn for National Security Advisor:
https://www.greatagain.gov/news/what-they-are-sayi ng-praise-president-elect-donald-j-trumps-selectio n-gen-flynn-national.html

What They Are Saying: President-elect Donald J. Trump's CIA Director Garners Praise:
https://www.greatagain.gov/news/what-they-are-sayi ng-president-elect-donald-j-trumps-cia-director-ga rners-praise.html

What They Are Saying: President-elect Donald J. Trump's AG Nomination Lauded by Colleagues, Groups:
https://www.greatagain.gov/news/what-they-are-sayi ng-president-elect-donald-j-trumps-ag-nomination-l auded-colleagues-groups.html
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Sifo
Posted on Sunday, November 20, 2016 - 08:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

On Bush's plan to invade Afghanistan, I think you kind of misrepresent that a bit in how you brought it up. The only link I quickly found that wasn't a blog was this... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/mar/24/sept ember11.usa2

Sounds like there was a long term, potential 3 stage plan to get the Talaban to turn over Bin Laden. In the context of the times, it actually makes Bush sound far more on top of things that most news agencies would have you believe. Sounds like the timing, right before 9/11 was simple coincidence. Here's some worthwhile snips...

quote:

The day before the September 11 attacks, the Bush administration agreed on a plan to oust the Taliban regime in Afghanistan by force if it refused to hand over Osama bin Laden, according to a report by a bipartisan commission of inquiry.

The report pointed out that agreement on the plan, which involved a steady escalation of pressure over three years, had been repeatedly put off by the Clinton and Bush administrations, despite the repeated failure of attempts to use diplomatic and economic pressure.
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However, in testimony to the commission, the secretary of state, Colin Powell, said the September 10 meeting of top White House officials, to agree the strategy towards the Taliban, demonstrated a new determination to deal with al-Qaida.
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At a meeting of the Bush administration's top national security officials on September 10, a three-phase strategy was agreed.

The Taliban would be presented with a final ultimatum to hand over Bin Laden. Failing that, covert military aid would be channelled to anti-Taliban groups. If both those options failed, "the deputies agreed that the United States would seek to overthrow the Taliban regime through more direct action."

However, the three-step process would have taken up to three years, and did not represent an immediate attack plan.
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Yesterday, it was the turn of Clinton administration veterans to face questioning on why they had failed to take more aggressive action against al-Qaida in the wake of the 1998 bombings of US embassies in Africa and the 2000 attack on the American destroyer USS Cole.

The former officials defended their record but also revealed splits in the Clinton administration on how to respond to the attacks. Madeleine Albright, the former secretary of state, directed blame at the Clinton-era defence department under William Cohen for not agreeing to use special forces to hunt down al-Qaida in the Afghan mountains.
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Asked the same question, Mr Powell said that before the September 11 attacks, there was no consensus in the Bush administration on how far to go against al-Qaida and the Taliban.

"We did not take into account during that period the kind of actions we were prepared to follow after 9/11," he told the inquiry. "It was not clear how to get at al-Qaida in a way to destroy al-Qaida, and we were not prepared, before 9/11, to take down the Taliban."




If true, it's not exactly some blood lust to invade Afghanistan ASAP. It also demonstrates the need sometimes to take action in shit-holes around the world. It could be a very different world today had OBL been dispatched prior to the 9/11 attack.

Interesting that this seems to have been ignored by the US MSM. I remember the theme that the Bush administration was caught completely flat footed on the threat from AQ. This paints a very different picture.
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Sifo
Posted on Sunday, November 20, 2016 - 08:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

BTW, much thanks to FB1 for all the effort he has put into this thread. As you know, my opinions are not exactly the same as yours on Trump, but you have certainly backed your opinion with much material along the way. I am looking forward to Jan. 20 with fair amount of optimism and hope. Time to let him do what he promised as far as I'm concerned.
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Fb1
Posted on Sunday, November 20, 2016 - 09:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

^ Gracias, amigo. : )

He's inheriting a YUGE mess, and our recovery won't - can't - happen overnight.

Further, the MSM and the left (yes, I repeat myself...) will continue to excoriate him, and will continue to lie to us about every aspect of Trump's presidency in an effort to paint him as a failure.

It's important for people to listen for and recognize the spin, to better tune it out.

Thanks again.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdTs46gMlYc
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Fb1
Posted on Sunday, November 20, 2016 - 09:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Amen:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3vGeTZw7uE
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Aesquire
Posted on Sunday, November 20, 2016 - 09:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I am not in favor of a "fight to win" mentality if the war you are fighting is based on a huge bullshit lie.

If you are talking tomorrow and not the Iraq war in particular... damn straight.

What have we got that should be "fixed"?

China? That's a long term project with layers on layers. All I know for sure is if you think China is giving you a deal, you're probably wrong. Looks like they're going expansionist? They need more oil. The islands & southeast asia have oil. ( in fact, the Vietnam War was an Oil war. )

I say we have a commitment to Taiwan, and Japan, and need to tread lightly... not with bluster as this admin. seems to.

Russia? Depending on which rabbit hole you look through, Russia is being threatened by NATO, Vladimir needs more ethnic Russians, ( and they were transplanted places like Ukraine & elsewhere behind the iron curtain as an ethnic takeover ) and/or a Hillary/Biden ploy to get his son oil pipeline money pushed Russia, or....

In any event, gee, rather not have them as mortal enemies again. How about inviting them into NATO?

Barry's Wars. Syria-Iraq-Turkey-Kurdistan.

find me the truth in that besides "Barry gave ISIS money and arms to fight Assad" and "Barry created a power vacuum that ISIS filled"? The fact is that simply holding territory makes ISIS a real player, in the eyes of the Islamist world, and IMHO Barry has been stupid or malicious in not stomping on the slave state of the Caliphate and stopping the mass murder & genocide long before now.

How many thousands are dead? Hundreds of thousands homeless and refugees? How many are terrorists planted on purpose? How many are prone to go terrorist after moving to Europe? or Canada? Or the U.S.?

So I am in overall agreement with you.

And don't think a pep talk to combat soldiers will be a shining example of flower power enlightenment. They are men going in harms way, not educators trying to persuade.

When you are a sheepdog, you know there are wolves. You don't have to hide it from them when you talk to them. ( same is true of cops/EMTs/etc. You can use simple and harsh language. )


Certainly that kind of pep talk isn't suitable for Children.

Children majoring in Hittite Lesbian Studies? I think just speaking English offends them. It's what they've become.
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Ducbsa
Posted on Monday, November 21, 2016 - 05:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The Bubble:

https://youtu.be/vKOb-kmOgpI
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Aesquire
Posted on Monday, November 21, 2016 - 06:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3942278/PI ERS-MORGAN-Memo-millennials-awful-feeling-ve-got-c alled-losing-happens-want-know-win-stop-whinging-b it-learn-lessons-Trump.html


You know it's the end times when I agree with Piers Morgan.
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Court
Posted on Monday, November 21, 2016 - 08:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That ARTICLE nails it.

I am amazed at the population whiners we've coddled. I started to go into my personal "there are two types of people . . .winners and whiners" in front of my class last week and stopped short.

But . . there is a wonderful upside to this. Millennials who DID learn the basics . . the one's who can (doesn't matter if they do or not) change their own oil or change a tire along side a road on a dark night . . and who have edged someone out for a gold medal . . as well as having their ass handed to them . . . well, those folks have the world at their disposal.

I've some wonderful examples . . . but my youngest . . . hahahaha . . the same one that I left for FB1 and Erik Buell to "babysit" one day . . . has it figured out. He's loving the lack of competition in his generation as so many of them sit on their collective asses waiting for someone to "give" them something.
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Aesquire
Posted on Monday, November 21, 2016 - 09:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


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Fb1
Posted on Monday, November 21, 2016 - 10:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

...my youngest . . . hahahaha . . the same one that I left for FB1 and Erik Buell to "babysit" one day...

Entrusting me 'n Erik with Bryce's well being, presuming we were gonna behave like responsible adults (considering we were headed out to strafe the southern flank of Mount St. Helens with 50+ other rabid Buellers) is probably one of the sketchier decisions you've ever made as a parent. Quote of the weekend, from Bryce: "Dad, I like riding with Ferris lots better than you, he goes fast!"

Good times. : )

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I keep preaching to anyone who'll listen to vet your news. Here's a great 10-minute tutorial in that regard from none other than Sharyl Atkisson:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0s__qs0cBek
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Ratbuell
Posted on Monday, November 21, 2016 - 01:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Like I said before.

Not everyone gets a trophy.

At least, not everyone SHOULD get one. Losing is what makes folks grow a pair, so they don't lose next time.

Can't win baseball? Try basketball. Or physics. Or auto shop. Like I said before, everyone is good at SOMEthing.

But if everyone gets a trophy; if everyone gets a handout...nobody cares enough to go look for what they're good at.
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Airbozo
Posted on Monday, November 21, 2016 - 02:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"But if everyone gets a trophy; if everyone gets a handout...nobody cares enough to go look for what they're good at."

Something the SO and I have been saying since T-Ball was invented...

Seriously. I blame T-Ball.
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