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86129squids
Posted on Saturday, July 02, 2016 - 11:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2016/07/swift-justi ce-connecticut-cop-helps-motorcyclist-deal-with-ag gressive-driver/

How cool is that?!?! I'd buy that guy lunch in a heartbeat!
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Xbimmer
Posted on Saturday, July 02, 2016 - 07:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm actually with the other comments on this one. The guy on the bike is a statistic waiting to happen. He's on a narrow 2 lane road with other cars coming toward him and he's in a pissing match with a car driver over his (maybe) right of way.

Insisting on your right of way is stupid and could get you killed.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Saturday, July 02, 2016 - 09:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Regardless of the rider's douchebaggery, it's nice to see an officer come to the aid of a rider when summoned.
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86129squids
Posted on Sunday, July 03, 2016 - 01:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Watch the video again. I see nothing wrong at all with the guy's response- the dingbat is completely in the wrong place AND trying to force him out of his lane... WHAT a b*tch.

I don't see merging lanes quite like that in TN, but it seems apparent that she deserved both tickets issued after a couple of looks.

I was waiting at the last light before I got to work (in a major retail/restaurant drag)... the cross street got green, and a Honda sedan started turning into MY forward left hand lane (!!!)- only after I laid on the horn did they see their impending doom, and alleviated mine...

Keep your head on a swivel. Looks like one day we'll be like Russia, where everyone uses live cameras to protect themselves...
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Ducbsa
Posted on Sunday, July 03, 2016 - 06:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

He had the right of way since the other lane ended. I think I would have been more aware of the car and gassed it to make sure I was clear or if the driver was gassing it, backed off. In the area I lived in before, the prevailing ethic seemed to be that the car somehow had the right of way because you should be nice, so you had to be aware of that tendency. Even if you were right, the injuries don't hurt any less. My wife had a neighbor tell her about how rude an M/C rider was by yelling at her after she cut him off. Not much self awareness there.
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Court
Posted on Sunday, July 03, 2016 - 07:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

He was right

He was an idiot

He pulled both off simultaneously. The type of guy who scares the crap out of me to ride with.
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Figorvonbuellingham
Posted on Sunday, July 03, 2016 - 07:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Wonder what he would have done if it had been an 18 wheeler.

He kind of reminds me of your little cousin who was always running to his mom to tattle on you and your bigger cousin.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Sunday, July 03, 2016 - 08:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Of course he had right of way.

He also entered into a pissing match with a car.

For my part, I'd have been well in front of her long before that happened because I would have seen the lane ending and put myself there
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Court
Posted on Sunday, July 03, 2016 - 09:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I watch a lot of idiots who labor under the delusion that somehow or another . . having a camera on your head . . making you look like a rooster . . somehow makes you right.

Based on an admittedly unscientific sampling of videos . . I think, more often than not, the camera simply proves many to be quite unbright and willing to prove it.

I'd prefer skill and good judgement over a camera.

I'm old fashioned.
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Crusty
Posted on Sunday, July 03, 2016 - 10:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have to agree with Court 100%.

In any confrontation between a car and a motorcycle, the motorcycle loses. Period.

Remember that old Public Safety ad from the '60s? "You could be right... Dead Right." It's especially true for motorcyclists.

How many people get to stand in front of Saint Peter saying, "But I had the right of way!"?
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Buellerxt
Posted on Sunday, July 03, 2016 - 10:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm right with you Court and Crusty. Dumb behavior. Sure it can be frustrating out there but we all know that and have to be smart about it. We can't change the world and we have to keep in mind that getting home in good shape is the top priority.
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Slaughter
Posted on Sunday, July 03, 2016 - 11:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'll agree with others here in that this motorcyclist was NOT riding defensively and if the confrontational style is distributed on the Interwebz, will only encourage like behavior among the less intelligent.

It's too easy in moto/car confrontations to end up as a meat-filled hood ornament.

We need to be willing to SEE-AND-AVOID. Avoid ALSO (to me) means avoid confrontations - especially bringing a knife to a gunfight (moto vs car)

Good of the black and white to chase her down but I question the survival skills of the rider.
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86129squids
Posted on Sunday, July 03, 2016 - 11:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I agree that it's likely the MC rider could've MAYBE anticipated the b*tch, but I don't think so. I think she surprised him from the right rear, and his wedge of road was suddenly a LOT smaller going forward.

Matthew, I'm with ya on future-forward self-placement- but, the box truck prevented that. Yeesh!

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http://www.stebel-usa.com/

Edit: Ooohh!! Looked at their site and they have a NEW horn ($88) that replicates a big-rig truck horn! KEWL!!! WANT. Wish they had a sound-demo feature on their site...


And, thanks to all here for your $.02 contributed. Awareness means aliveness! ; )

(Message edited by 86129squids on July 03, 2016)
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Griffmeister
Posted on Monday, July 04, 2016 - 12:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That happened in South Windsor, but we have roads like that all over the state. Same principle with highway on ramps and DOT lane closures which happen all the time. The DOT many times doesn't put signage up far enough ahead of closures, but on normal roads there is always a sign to indicate a merge ahead. Yeah, generally if you are the vehicle to the rear of the other when the sign is visible then you should fall into the space behind that vehicle, not speed up to get ahead of it. Unfortunately size does matter, the rider could have slipped behind the car although it would be hard to resist a copious amount of horn along with single digit hand extensions.
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Court
Posted on Monday, July 04, 2016 - 05:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I ran upon such a "short notice lane closing" at the very north end of the Taconic Friday night . . . it's amazing how far it backs traffic up.

I just cranked up the music (I was on the way to see Warren Hayes at Tanglewood) and merged whenever I had a chance.

I've mellowed with age.

:-)

Worse yet . . . was the tornado on the ground that crossed the Taconic about 1/4 mile ahead of me. The tornado didn't scare me (Kansans seem to have developed a communal tolerance for such things) but all the freaking alarms coming up on my various weather apps did . . .


I'm the blue dot



everything in the car was beeping
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Court
Posted on Monday, July 04, 2016 - 05:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

We had a similar incident . . . of bad judgment on the road . . .here, early this morning.

http://nypost.com/2016/07/04/road-rage-incident-le ads-off-duty-cop-to-fatally-shoot-man/

Regardless of where you come down on the 2nd Amendment . . nothing even comes close to conferring the right to fatally gun someone down if they punch you in a traffic argument.

2nd degree murder in my book.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Monday, July 04, 2016 - 12:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That's sad. All you can learn from that is avoid conflicts that aren't necessary, which means nearly all conflicts.

I don't even know who to blame.

You carry and you have an obligation to never escalate anything that could end in you employing deadly force. So clearly the cop is in the wrong.

You get out of your car and go over and start punching somebody seated in their car with a wife and kids with them and get shot as a result, you are also clearly in the wrong, and your cause of death was being a bully.

Don't be stupid people. Stop, take a deep breath, and move on.
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Court
Posted on Monday, July 04, 2016 - 02:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

We'll see what the investigation yields . . . it's looking like a race to see who of the 2 stupid people was the stupidest.

The cop . . . in my view . . . knowing the little I know (only from media) is the clear runaway winner and this is the embodiment of "what's wrong with concealed carry" . . . it's not "carrying" . . it's the lack of training.

He should have checked that big ol' tough guy cop ego . . .rolled up the window. . . .run the SOB over over . . . done whatever he could (there were so many options, it's scary) to deescalate and he choose the worst of the choices which was to engage, enrage, escalate and murder.

Tough day on the streets of Gotham . . .but this guy, again . . based solely on what we now see it the media . . needs to do some big time.

Concealed carry . . . . brings HUGE responsibility when you are holding life and death on your hip.
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Ourdee
Posted on Friday, July 15, 2016 - 11:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Concealed carry . . . . brings HUGE responsibility when you are holding life and death on your hip.

Yes, It does. Have to take the high ground. My training was explicit about not being able to escalate a situation, then claiming fear for life. You have to anticipate the consequences of your actions before you even make a facial expression. Key is to avoid confrontation no matter how it makes you feel.


Doc winks at 0:56
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