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     Torquehd |
Hogwash, I grew up in a gun-free house (except for my bb and pellet guns). My dad wasn't anti-gun, but he wasn't a hunter, and we lived in a quiet, peaceful neighborhood and my dad saw no need for one. (plus we were poor, and guns aren't cheap) Then I joined the army, saw the world, and I've been in several circumstances where my life literally depended on my ability to return fire. Now, especially considering the state of the world, I am generally uncomfortable being more than a few steps away from my guns. Especially in public settings. I hope I never have to use a gun to defend myself (again) or my family, but if I do, I have confidence in my equipment and abilities. | ||
| Fast1075 |
My heritage is such that we often ate what we could kill, not as sport, but as necessity. As Jed Clampett once said: "Critters is fer eatin'" My most favourite wild game is alligator, known in these parts as "Lunch inna suitcase". And the 22 LR is a favourite tool. | ||
| Blake |
The .22 LR plinking Ammo is darn near back to normal price, at least some of it... Federal "Champion" 40 gr LRN for $2.99 per box of 50, so 6¢ per round. | ||
| Aesquire |
note that the lower limit for this map is 21 casualties. So a LOT doesn't show here. | ||
| Rick_a |
It's the lies that get me and the buffoons that blindly follow. Long guns of all kinds are used in 2% of deaths, and 5% of all crime. Handguns are at least 80%. They don't target handguns anymore as they've failed repeatedly. They're not giving up on the long guns as they've been trying to ban them for decades. Ban one semi-auto and it opens to door to ban them all. Just go out and say "we hate your guns and don't want you to have them" and I may have some respect for the party. It's certainly not about "gun safety" "common sense" or "stopping terrorists" as their policies do not represent any of that. | ||
| Court |
Who ever guessed the buffoons would be in charge and dictating policy . . . . with so little resistance. | ||
| Aesquire |
The Model for American Dictatorship seems to be.. "If you complain I'm breaking the law I will brand you racist." It'll be sexist under Herr Hillary. ( she identifies as Fuhrer. ) | ||
| Sifo |
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| H0gwash |
Isn't the Muslim God, the Christian God, and the Jewish God the same diety? | ||
| Sifo |
What has that got to do with the FBI editing 911 calls before they release them to the public? They did far more that that change too. To answer your question... No. | ||
| Aesquire |
That's somewhat arguable. The NAME Allah was swiped from the pagan tribes in the region. He's the head god of a highly variable pantheon, the one name different villages & tribes agreed on. The rest of the gods change from town to town. Mohammed swiped the Name to appeal to the locals. However, the actual deity is supposed to be the same. The Jewish version is pretty stark & hardcore, & has been really annoyed with the idiots who worshiped him, and a bit more hostile to everyone else. The Christian update is the same deity, but the message basically is love each other and don't worry about the all the crap all those self serving political priests came up with to get richer. ( there's a LOT more, but that's from actual sermons, language updated, badly, by me ) The Muslim Version was supposed to be the same deity, but this one oddly enough was as sexually messed up and OCD as His Prophet. Quite a bit of the religion in the Koran is lifted straight from the New & Old Testament, but cherry picked to make The Prophet's points. Admittedly he's not the first or last to do that. Huge parts of the Koran are basically, My wish list, so God Told Me So, either made up on the spot, or after hitting the Hookah. Note that Beard Style is actually a decreed by the Big One Himself UNIFORM. As a obedient servant of Allah, you are to have a beard, so you don't get mistaken for a Roman, and trim it so you don't look like a Jew. Feel free to place hipsters anywhere you want on that scale. So HOgwash, Yep, they are supposed to be the same deity. That's what the Prophet said. He also said not to use a stick thicker than your little finger when you beat your wife. Oh, and don't hit her in the face or on the breasts. That's just mean. Besides, they scar up real bad. Don't want your neighbors to know your wife is disobedient. So take the "it's the same God" riff with a salt lick. Since the faith is lifted from previous ones, the "same god" thing is a quite a bit closer than a Scientologist's alien ghost to what you were told as a kid. Just like you expect the Constitution to take some ideas from the Magna Carta. Not the same text, not the same principals, but both are contracts. I hope that answers your question. A bit of my own opinion is in the answer. They didn't have a diagnosis of OCD in the 8th century. | ||
| Sifo |
When a false prophet comes along, with a completely different & messed up religion, but claims it to be the same God as yours, that doesn't make it so. | ||
| Aesquire |
While I Grok your meaning, as a matter of Public Relations it's another matter. Now, Islam has no doubt been soundly denounced by some cleric of the other Faiths of Abraham at one time or another. As have all the others, to be fair. Branding, you know. Certainly a General consensus Of the other faiths is "They ain't us!" Yet it seems to be at least tacitly accepted that they all have the same roots. It's one thing for a radical preacher at the local ( random religion pick... spin the wheel.... ) Episcopal church to go all different message than the Mother Church. The Mother Church can simply say he's a schismatic, a splitter, not a representative of the True Church, on his own nutball. Then you have the Other related faith's reactions to his new message, and then people can say, "he's not a real Christian" and be completely correct, but that has limited meaning, an opinion, unless the vast majority of Christian Religions Leaderships say so. Perhaps not even until it's more or less Dogma. Some morons still think the Westboro "baptist church" is Christian. However Islam has a few billion followers, multiple sects, and it's a bit late to get the view that it's nominally the same deity changed, today. So I get your point, but current Big Business Religion .. says otherwise. Take that with as much salt as your cardiologist allows. And feel free to disagree. ************************************** Ankara Airport Turkey. Bombing. Looks like Suicide Bomb & shooting. ISIS blamed, so far. Prayers for the Families. | ||
| H0gwash |
A false prophet seems simply to be some guy who is from a very different tribe than the one you were born into. The Ku Klux Klan still states that they are a proud Christian organization. Surely, they are false prophets. But how do you prove that to someone born into generations of the Klan? Historically it seems to have been very difficult. You have to spend millions of dollars on trials to get moderate success. Faith ultimately defies logic and definition so while I think it is fine for individuals to practice whatever they feel brings the best into the world, I also think it is unwise to name religious scapegoats as a cause for war when only some of them are participating in it. | ||
| Aesquire |
Doing fine until the last part. There are no religious scapegoat stuff here. No one says all Muslims are terrorists. The manual of the one specific religion, Islam, plainly states there are two worlds. Dar al Islam, the house of Islam, lands ruled by the book. & Dar al Harb. The house of war. Everybody else. The mission is to bring the world into submission to the words of the Prophet. You don't want to run your life by rules written down by an 8th century warlord? If you are Christian you can be a third class serf and pay a tax. If not? Die or be a slave. No other options. Sure Islam is a distant second in the list of kill those who disagree religions. Like #1 to lie to the infidel is standard practice. It's in the book. They proudly tell you outright they are going to kill us if we don't convert. ( and be second class subjects ) How much denial does it take to not see the simple fact that an 8th century intolerant slavery culture is incompatible with any notion of citizenship and freedom? They flat out say so. When's the last Presbyterian terrorist attack? I know. The Pilgrims weren't born yet. England. After the death of the Protector. Last attack in the name of and to advance the cause of islam? Today. Yesterday. And everyday in Dar al Islam women are property. Here in the U.S. young women are brutally murdered for not wanting to marry old men. Or dating. Or talking back to Dad. 15 year old girl tortured to death because she didn't want to marry her 58 year old uncle. By Daddy & Uncle. Mom didn't want them prosecuted. It's the culture. Here. In America. | ||
| Torquehd |
Hogwash, Allah was likely transmodification of the moon goddess Allat (by mohamed), which is why islam so brazenly displays the pagan crescent moon symbol (which dates back to Nimrod, king of Babylon, and Semiramus. Worship of "heavnely host" or sun, moon, stars. Google it. ). It jived with the locals. the qran declares that "allah has no son", in those words (in arabic). the Bible declares that God had one begotten son (Jesus Christ) as well as a multitude of folks who were called sons, by his name, because of their belief in him. Islam and Christianity both share a common ancestor (but not beginning), Abraham. the mainstream will tell you that God is god, regardless of what you call him. But according to their doctrines, the god that mohamed talked about, and the God that Jesus talked about, are just not the same. John 16:2 "yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service." Was Jesus talking about the catholic inquisitions, or jihad? they both think/thought they're serving God. Both were/are wrong. | ||
| Sifo |
Hogwash, I gather from your disdain of faith, that your faith would be atheism. Now if I claim that the God of the Bible is the same God that is worshiped by atheists, does that make sense to you? Never mind that our beliefs and teachings are completely different. According to your logic, it must be true, simply because I claim it to be. Very similar to Islam claiming the same God as Christianity. It's not about different tribes. It's about different teachings and beliefs. | ||
| Aesquire |
HOgwash. I would guess you are not a fan of Big Business Religion. What you believe in is, in America, your business. Big Business Religion, the corporate entities that profit from the Bible and other holy books are not my favorite folk. From Cardinals that protected child rapists to protect the brand to those guys that charge on a sliding scale to clear their followers of alien ghost influence, there are a lot of snake oil salesmen out there who's connection to the divine is in name only. Won't even get into televangelists who charge little old ladies to pray for them. I rate them one step above the scum who charge people to talk to their dead relative's ghosts. Yeah, I'm a Penn & Teller fan. Big Business Religion want your money. They want to influence your vote. They play on your biases and every one claims exclusivity of being right. And you can feel free to ignore them Their temporal power is waning. Sure, there are red neck areas where being different can cost you your job or get you a beating. Gays in Colorado, conservatives in NYC or Hollywood. Bad places to be different. Then there's the death cult that is designed to rule your life, like it or not. Insult the Prophet in public, they kill your family. Remember the cartoon contest? Guy shows up to do mass murder in the name of his cult. If the creators of the contest had been ignorant of reality like you seem to pretend to be, the Islamist jihadi would have succeeded. Instead, knowing their publicity stunt was a murder magnet, they killed the jihadi who came to murder them. Proof of their point written in blood. And deliberately ignored by the press and other fools who deny the wave of mass murder, genocide, slavery, rape, and political power that is sworn to replace civilization. Islamaphobia? No. When they tell you they will kill you and are murdering daily, not admitting reality is insane. Racism? No. Islam is not a race. People of all colors are Muslim. You can't ignore Big Power Religion when it's enforced by murder and rape. Or maybe you can temporarily. But your ignorance doesn't stop the next attack. The next rape. The next honor killing. & eventually they'll get down to you. I'll not argue further about what gods the Abrahamic religions worship. Feel free. The perception of the "don't know crap about my religion" majority is what NBC told them, not what's in the books they don't read. You may be theologically correct and I may agree with you but it has nothing to do with the simple fact that nearly two billion people belong to a cult that is publicly murdering people every day and practicing slavery, today, and that that cult and it's culture is the CAUSE of the majority of terrorism today. And atheists and pagans and people who try to leave the cult are under sentence of death. | ||
| Rick_a |
People have been killing each other over technical differences in belief systems for ages. You'd think as a society we'd be over it. With our administration regarding ISIS and Islamic extremism as a P.C. issue I don't see that changing anytime soon. They need to throw P.C. out the window and call a spade a spade. I'd rather people get offended than killed. Instead it's used as a platform to push "gun control..." again. Today the left champions cross dressers, killing babies as a win for personal freedom, violence against conservative protests, looting against white privilege, guns (not people) are bad, white cops shouldn't defend themselves against blacks, and terrorist extremists just need love and compassion. What a circus. My favorite is that the Constitution no longer applies or is needed. That will be the downfall of this nation. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/06/ev erything_was_accurate_but_none_of_it_was_true_.htm l True on the "technical differences" and the rest... Not the case here. Dar al Harb. http://atheism.about.com/od/islamicextremism/a/dar alharb.htm Binary solution set. Not even a Venn Diagram. | ||
| Strokizator |
Here's a little math I use on the gun control advocates. There are about 338,000,000 people in the US and with a life expectancy of 78.4 years, approximately 4,300,000 people die each year (some assumptions here like births = deaths and even distribution among age groups). There are roughly 11,200 gun deaths, not counting suicide. Some simple division shows that of all the ways you could die, you have a 1 in 500 chance of dieing by gunshot. Stay away from Chicago, don't join a gang or deal drugs and it probably drops to 1 in 1000. By contrast, there are 600,000 deaths due to cancer each year and another 600,000 from heart disease - that's 100 times more likely. I'm just saying that of all the ways I could die, I don't need the government to protect me from something that is statistically irrelevant (0.2%). | ||
| Reepicheep |
I believe some of the transcript that substituted "God" for "Allah" was spoken in Arabic, which makes it a little less offensive that they translated "Allah" to "God". Still stupid though, and plenty of precedent from this administration to show a clear case of carefully shaping the message. Which, when it comes from somebody who works for me as the government is supposed to be, is grounds for termination thank you. | ||
| Akbuell |
The Orlando Sentinel is reporting the FBI is telling all agencies who responded to the shooting to deny freedom of information requests for info on their response to the tragedy. I really should stop being surprised by what this administration is doing. I would have thought the 'edited' version of the shooters 911 calls would be hard to top . . . . | ||
| Sifo |
There's not much to add to this one...  | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
NSFW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RfUj09pWfM (Message edited by ferris von bueller on June 29, 2016) (Message edited by Blake on June 29, 2016) | ||
| H0gwash |
My family was not very religious to begin with and we did not know there were churches who would not throw me out for being who I was, so I grew up entirely without church. Practically speaking I am an atheist, but I don't hate religion anymore because I realize they are an embodiment of human spirit. They are works of art, things that computers cannot enjoy. So while I can academically reject the idea, I will agree to some extent that what you call God is something I do fear and respect, but I just don't believe it is a deity, and I don't believe it is bound specifically to Christian scripture. In another life, things could have been very different. Speaking of which I recall that the old testament, whether you consider that part of the Christian bible or not, contains references in Deuteronomy that those worshiping false idols shall be stoned. I think Big Business and religion may only be in the same sentence if there are an odd number of negatives in there. I love Penn and Teller's show Fool Us and I get fooled every time. I love that when they are not fooled they don't spoil the illusion. I was also VERY impressed with the Texan security guard who shot dead the jihadists just as they got out of their car, that is absolutely how it should be done. Focus on the terrorists, not the false targets. Interesting other points by all, thanks to those who have given my strange posts time and their sincere thoughts. I will always be working through my ideas, and it is way more productive to argue with people with different ideas than to simply preach to the choir which is usually what I get here in CA. | ||
| Blake |
Who were you that you thought you'd be run out of church? A sinner like everyone else's? You fear and respect what is called God, but say it is not a diety? What if Jesus was who he said he was? How would that change your view? As to the Old Testament religious law, it is specifically for the Israelites and for good reason. | ||
| Alfau |
What you just said contradicts what the bible actually says. 2tim 3:16,17 | ||
| Torquehd |
Alf, it's a lot deeper than that and you're using that sentence out of context. Yes, if you abide in perfect accordance with the word, you will be perfect, but as 1John 1:8 says, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.". Romans 3:23, "All have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God". The difference in what muslims believe is that their multitude of "good" works will get them to heaven (note "good" is sure not what you and I would call good). Whereas Jesus and the bible preach that sins are atoned for by Jesus death (that takes a little understanding of old Hebrew law that God gave to Moses). All we have to do is believe that Jesus is able to forgive sins (hey, even the pharisees said - Only God can forgive sins. So if you believe that Jesus can forgive, then you believe that He is God). We believe salvation is the gift of God, muslims believe that it must be earned (and I"m telling you, no one is perfect or close to good enough to earn their way to perfection). | ||
| Aesquire |
I'll leave you Christians to argue theology. It's a culture war. Slavery vs. Citizens. Obedience vs. Free Will. Women as property vs. Partners. I have zero worries that the uptight sexually repressed Christians will murder me for supporting gay marriage or impose their will on us all. I can insult, disobey, & count on the wide variety of American citizens to prevent a Christian Theocracy. Being informed by your faith is not for a politician a bad thing. No matter what the arrested development atheists say. Waiting at the airport I don't worry about Scientologists with suicide bombs trying to force me to clear my chakras. |
