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Bandm
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Aesquire
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Ratbuell, not only did Congress pass a law making sure They were paid and fully funded no matter if they did a budget, ( their jobs ) or not, but they argue Today, that allowing the President to refuse to sign a budget and then not pay Them, would leave them open to blackmail. That an evil President could starve them out in a siege over policy.

And you know what? The ones arguing that have a valid point.

Never mind that most are millionaires and could easily ignore a measly $200,000 a year income loss without missing a single yacht payment. A few, like Occasional -Cortex, actually only have a few dozen thousands in the bank, and that's why D.C. has some Congressmen living as a half dozen roomies in one rented Brownstone, to save money.

And consider. Hillary as Prez, refusing to sign a budget that doesn't have a billion $ donation to her foundation, or full funding for a China inspired One Child policy of free & mandatory abortions, to Save The Planet from over population and Global Warming. If she could starve out Congress to her will, and you know she'd love that power!, Then it's wrong for anyone to.

So, we'll have to apply pressure on the rich Pols a different way.

How about we donate free portraits of Che and Fidel to all the Congresspersons who want to display it in their offices?

And on a completely unrelated note.

Is there a time release medium, for, say, a polonium like substance, that mixes well with paint? I'm working on an idea for soothing aromatherapy in home decor.

( Sarcasm. Dark joke. Kidding. )
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Ratbuell
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Someone should take that paycheck law to court. Anywhere else in this job market, if you don't DO YOUR JOB, you don't get paid.

It's why it's a "JOB".

Now they're starting to push the idea of cancelling the super bowl due to security reasons (?!?!?!?!?). Whisky Tango Foxtrot. What in the hell does that have to do with anything?? Other than pissing off the average Joe who wants to watch a bunch of primadonnas kneel and run around in tights?

I think we need chains and locks on the Capitol building's doors. Pass a budget, you can get back in. But for "security reasons" (i.e. a pissed-off, armed populace)...we just need to lock down the building to "protect all of you from harm". Since we can't staff it with security personnel while the shutdown goes on.

And, SOTU needs to be delivered from the border. DON'T clear the area - let the audience see what's really going on there. Protect POTUS, obviously, but maybe allow some pressers to ...um... wander into harms way, on camera. "Hey, uh, guys? We said you shouldn't go to that are....oh, hell with it".
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So...the letter is real? That's AWESOME.




Gold-plated balls. BIG gold-plated balls.

Thank you, Mr. President
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Ourdee
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I think we need chains and locks on the Capitol building's doors. Pass a budget, you can get back in.

I think we need chains and locks on the Capitol building's doors. Pass a budget, you can get out.
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While we’re at it, why don’t we just permanently ban these government-funded “fact finding/visit the troops/other nonsense trips” like the one the president just stopped? Want to go? Buy your own ticket and pay for your own lodging.

Lots of interesting comments on these on Twitter. Military people say these visits are a royal PITA and no benefit to the troops. Embassy personnel say the same thing. Allegedly, the liquor bill alone for one of Nancy Pelosi’s previous trips during the Obama administration was $250,000.
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I think that's a total for several 757 trips home. Iirc the one trip bill to us was $35,000 for liquor.

That's much better, isn't it? ; )
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I think a quarter million dollars is low-balling it. A USAF flight from the states to pick-a-country-on-the-other-side-of-the-globe can easily cost a half million.

"The cost-per-flight hour of the C-17 is $23,811 which is notably cheaper than the next step up in transport aircraft. The C-5 Galaxy costs $78,817 per flight hour."

from https://militarymachine.com/c-17-facts/

I think we need chains and locks on the Capitol building's doors. Pass a budget, you can get out.
I fully agree! No paycheck and no going home until you've done what we "hired" you to do. You work for US.

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Ourdee
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Yes, You want to go home, resign.
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I bet the Washington Post prints that Trump's approval ratings are going down because of this. I think they're going up.
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The special counsel's office has issued a rare public statement disputing the accuracy of a news report saying that President Donald Trump told his personal attorney Michael Cohen to lie to Congress.
The statement by Robert Mueller's office on Friday night doesn't cite any specific errors.
Spokesman Peter Carr says, "BuzzFeed's description of specific statements to the Special Counsel's Office, and characterization of documents and testimony obtained by this office, regarding Michael Cohen's Congressional testimony are not accurate."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-latest -muellers-office-says-buzzfeed-report-inaccurate/a r-BBSrfxA?li=BBnb7Kz
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Posted on Friday, January 18, 2019 - 09:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That's the liquor bill, not the flight bill. Premium booze drunk by flying party every weekend. Nancy invited her friends, and staff and etc.

The 757 is because a Gulfstream wasn't good enough. One excuse is better security in these troubled times. But mostly Nancy whined she needed more room.

And the so called fact check folk have different opinions from back in '07 &'09.
It was only once? The Gulfstream her predecessor used needed to stop & refuel so they offered a smaller 10 seat plane that could do D.C. To San Francisco non stop. ( it's true that stopping for fuel adds a Lot of time ) and the plane stops at Air Force bases, nothing to do, no Casino, and apparently a security threat since the military has a bad reputation among leftist politicians that cut their funding and call them baby killers.

The flight time is $22,000 an hour. And relatives pay coach rates to fly. I don't know what they charge Congress for sex slaves or boot lickers. ; )
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Aesquire
Posted on Friday, January 18, 2019 - 09:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The Buzzfeed reporter is a known "fabulist".

That's according to other lefty news companies. Baghdad Bob has more credibilty.

( For the children, Baghdad Bob was Saddams's press guy, most famous for insisting Saddam had defeated the Americans, while the unmistakable crack of tank fire and exploding tanks got closer. The Americans were already in the city. Then.... We quit hearing from him. )
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Zacks
Posted on Friday, January 18, 2019 - 10:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think we need chains and locks on the Capitol building's doors. Pass a budget, you can get back in.
To use as a precedent... when electing a pope, the cardinals are locked in.
As time drags on, the vittles get less fancy.
Seems like that would work.
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Ducbsa
Posted on Saturday, January 19, 2019 - 05:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I had this vision of Bob showing up on the Leno show, cracking up about how he used to see how wild he could make his stories to see CNN eat it up and how tough it was to keep a straight face.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Saturday, January 19, 2019 - 11:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I like the Cardinal approach.

Of course, they'd holler "safe space violation" and "aggression trigger" and all that other snowflake crap as soon as the idea is brought up...

Maybe time for a special election? Three weeks in (I think), and they have already proven an inability - as a whole - to do the job they have been elected to do. How do citizens call for a show of No Confidence, and demand fresh emergency elections?

Do your job, or we'll send you packing.
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Aesquire
Posted on Saturday, January 19, 2019 - 12:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/425970-americ a-the-new-socialist-frontier

Don't fall into the Socialist Democrat call to reverse elections. They have that hate that Trump isn't of The Body, and refuse to face the will of the people.

Sure, maybe a dozen of the House newbies were elected by fraud & illegal aliens. Remember, The not yet late Senator Al Franken was elected by illegal votes from felons. None of those people are going to be kicked out.

And I refuse to advocate violent overthrow of our government.. But if I were you, I'd have an unregistered gun, just in case someone else does.

The current crop wants no more electoral college, so they get to choose the leaders and everyone not in High population coastal states can just shut up and be ruled. ( basically NY & CA ) A few want Sharia law and to kill all the Jews and Christians. That will take a few years. And many want to cancel the Constitution, starting with Amendments 1 & 2, And they are imho, doing a great job with the willing collusion of the American press, and the Facebook/Google/Twitter Social Justice Media players, who already are testing their New World Order in China.

So the richest people in the world are against you, control your information, and want to screw you in stages so you don't notice and won't revolt.

In other words. Same old, same old.

Make sure you've got your hunter orange safety vest. ( what? We're not French! )
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Gregtonn
Posted on Saturday, January 19, 2019 - 03:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think we need chains and locks on the Capitol building's doors. Pass a budget, you can get out.

https://insider.foxnews.com/2019/01/19/bill-would- force-lawmakers-stay-washington-during-government- shutdown

Midwest common sense.

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Ebutch
Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2019 - 07:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)





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Ebutch
Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2019 - 08:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)



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Gregtonn
Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2019 - 09:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just paint it white and call it a white picket fence.
Doesn't everyone want a white picket fence around their home?

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Torquehd
Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2019 - 09:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What if we promise to put signs on the south side of the wall that say "gun free zone"... I bet the left with vote for it before they realize what they've done.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2019 - 09:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think the fortified positions/turrets would give away that it's not "gun-free".

Besides.

I'm not giving MINE up. Are you giving YOURS up?

I really like the idea of forcing lawmakers to stay put until a budget is reached. It really IS common sense. I'd have thought there would be required work-hours for the position as well..but what do I know. Wait. I forgot. They make their OWN rules; ours don't apply to gods like them. How dare I consider such a thing.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2019 - 09:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I guess another option to a wall would be...simply...

VOLTAGE.

Or...if the Dems want a "tech" solution...set up some automated turrets that can provide full border coverage based on line-of-fire and effective range. Equip DHS/ICE staffers with body-worn "do not shoot" sensors, and program the turrets (with radar/LIDAR/heat/whatever sensors - hell, my Jeep has radar-based adaptive cruise control, how hard could this be?) to shoot any creature within a specified lane.

Done.

No wall.

And, the Dems get their "tech" preference.
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Torquehd
Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2019 - 11:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Are you giving YOURS up?

It's a ruse. I didn't say America would be a gun free zone, just that it would have signs saying "gun free zone". It doesn't specify where the gun free zone is. Maybe it's letting you know that if you keep walking north, you'll run into Chicago, which has low crime due to strict gun laws. See, liberals can be happy now.

And, no, I'm not giving up mine.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Monday, January 21, 2019 - 12:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Already too many reasons for them to want illegal entry. We need reasons for them to want to go through the LEGAL process....

Perhaps a gate in the wall, connected to a rail station that runs directly to...San Francisco?
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Geoff
Posted on Monday, January 21, 2019 - 06:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Build a wall and make Mexico pay. Yeah, right.

Trump is living proof that a con man doesn't have to be smart if his victims are stupid enough.
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Aesquire
Posted on Monday, January 21, 2019 - 06:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you like your doctor. Save 24% on your health insurance.

Yeah, the victims were stupid enough. But Barry wasn't dumb. Ignorant, & dishonest, sure. He got to college, although we will never know how bad he was at it.
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Torquehd
Posted on Monday, January 21, 2019 - 07:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think Geoff just called a whole lot of people stupid. To include the president. His IQ must be really high if he's willing to make such a claim. Numbers, Geoff?
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Aesquire
Posted on Monday, January 21, 2019 - 07:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think it will be near miraculous if we actually figured out how to charge "Mexico" for a border fence, but that's not the real point here.

Many Trump fans say you listen to what he means without getting too hung up on the exact wording. With that filter he's fairly honest, a braggart, and full of crap, but not fundamentally dishonest.

Trump haters point out that he's wrong on diplomatic bureaucracy language, a Lot, and makes many promises no one can keep, and is therefore, a dirty stinking liar.

I understand, and partly agree with both views. But don't buy either as is.

The Fans need to see that Donald's credibility is strained at best. What you say & how, matters. Sure, he's speaking in a regional/cultural dialect, but Ebonics or New Yawker, hyperbole is still exaggeration, and therefore reeks of dishonesty even if the motives and intentions are good.

Haters have to apply the same standards to folk they like as they do to Trump. It's utterly hypocritical to blast Trump for his language, and ignore Hillary's or Maxine's.

And vice versa.
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Sifo
Posted on Monday, January 21, 2019 - 08:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think it will be near miraculous if we actually figured out how to charge "Mexico" for a border fence, but that's not the real point here.

Many Trump fans say you listen to what he means without getting too hung up on the exact wording. With that filter he's fairly honest, a braggart, and full of crap, but not fundamentally dishonest.

Trump haters point out that he's wrong on diplomatic bureaucracy language, a Lot, and makes many promises no one can keep, and is therefore, a dirty stinking liar.

I understand, and partly agree with both views. But don't buy either as is.


Points well stated. Even so, I see Trump as one of the more honest politicians we have today. Of course, I did recognize that Mexico was never going to actually write a check to the US to build a wall. It would have been a mind boggling achievement, but never expected it to happen. The simple reality is that proper border enforcement, whatever that looks like will save the US many dollars, and cost Mexico many dollars. The same effect as if they stroked a pen on a check. Given Trump's love for hyperbole, assuming you are intelligent enough to understand it, Trump is pretty damned honest for a politician.
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