I don’t want a laser (I would fit them to sharks if I did). I just want folks to remember that Putin is a lying murderous thug. That fact seems to have gotten lost somewhere along the way. That doesn’t mean that we cannot or should not seek peace, but we need to be mindful of who it is that we’re dealing with. We shouldn’t trust Russia any more than we trust North Korea.
For the record, I think it would be fan f’ng tastic if Russia and the US were besties. But unless their leadership and their own version of the deep state feel the same way, that’s not likely to happen.
Okay, life is good again, not as good as if yesterday's Helsinki situation didn't happen but good again nonetheless. President Trump clarified himself and I accept it because I want to believe it. The explanation was a little odd, no doubt, but I'll take it and hope things straighten out. As for Putin and Russia, I hear you loud and clear, Hootowl, and fully agree.
No, it is not correct. It is a biased article that includes what helps their case and leaves out what doesn't. Kind of like the biased garbage Shaun Hannity puts out nightly. Hey, I can't stand the left and the biased, over the top crap they put out daily but I can't stand all the biased crap put out by certain right groups/people either. Trump clearly sided with Putin on Russian interference and he did it on the world stage. Shameful. Beyond that he criticized the U.S., equated Russia and America, etc. Unbelievable.
I'd be curious to hear what you think was not right in that article. It was fairly lengthy and covered quite a number of items. Surely something said was correct. Is the summary "Tell your friends the truth; Trump didn't deny Russian interference, but he did question why Hillary's hacked server wasn't investigated." not essentially correct? I would be interested in seeing the proof of it being false. I know the second part is true. I saw the video of him saying it. I didn't however see video of him denying Russian meddling. Of course, that doesn't mean it didn't happen. Is there video? At least the quotes? I'm willing to listen.
But Putin is a murderous lying thug. We shouldn’t forget that.
I would agree with that. OTOH, sometimes you've got to piss with the dick you've got.
Sifo, as I said above, the article was biased and written to make it look like trump did well and the uproar from left and right was hysteria and wrong. It is what was left out, the parts that people are upset about, that slanted the article. For example: REPORTER, JEFF MASON, REUTERS: Thank you. Mr. President, you tweeted this morning that it's U.S. foolishness, stupidity, and the Mueller probe that is responsible for the decline in U.S. relations with Russia. Do you hold Russia at all accountable or anything in particular? And if so, what would you what would you consider them that they are responsible for? Trump's response after stupidly blaming the U.S.: TRUMP: Yes I do. I hold both countries responsible. I think that the United States has been foolish. I think we've all been foolish. We should have had this dialogue a long time ago, a long time frankly before I got to office. And I think we're all to blame. EPORTER, AP: President Trump, you first. Just now, President Putin denied having anything to do with the election interference in 2016. Every U.S. intelligence agency has concluded that Russia did. My first question for you sir is, who do you believe? My second question is would you now, with the whole world watching, tell President Putin, would you denounce what happened in 2016 and would you warn him to never do it again? TRUMP:My people came to me, Dan Coates, came to me and some others they said they think it's Russia. I have President Putin. He just said it's not Russia. I will say this: I don't see any reason why it would be.
Of course today, off the world stage, he came out with his version of Clinton's 'definition of 'is' moment when he said he meant wouldn't. Is that laughing I hear out there?
This was not a good performance. We should expect more than we got.
I want to support President Trump. While I vehemently disagree with him on tariffs and hope he reverses course, his agenda of deregulation is good. His tax cutting policy is good. His judicial picks are good. His walk away from the Paris Accord is good. Moving the Israeli Embassy is good. Getting out of the Iran deal is good. All these things are good.
The President has picked good advisors and in some cases great advisors. Except for his trade advisors, he is surrounded with good people I have long respected from Mike Pence to John Bolton to Mike Pompeo to Nikki Haley to Rick Perry to James Mattis and more.
But at the end of the day, the buck stops with President Trump. It is his gut, his decision making, his willingness or unwillingness to take advice, and his temperament that matter. He can surround himself with the very best people, but if he ignores their advice, it matters little.
I want to support President Trump and, compared to his opponents and their rage, I at least know what I am getting with him -- a competent administration that tends to make the right call.
It's just President Trump himself who is off. It is like watching a slow-motion train wreck over four years. You see the locomotive on the tracks, but the cars behind it have started tipping and there are toxic waste cars at the back. Slowly, everything begins to tilt, and we wait to see if everything tips or just tilts. It is a stressful four years waiting to see what goes off the rails and will anything still be on the track by 2020 to try for four more years.
President Trump and Vice President Pence have both, in the past, criticized President Obama's world apology tour. It was rather remarkable yesterday to see President Trump, abroad and next to a ruthless dictator, criticize American institutions and disagree with his own intelligence community on Russian meddling.
In fact, there is no dispute about that meddling. President Trump's Administration, the Administration I think highly of, agrees and is indicting Russian operatives for that meddling. It is just President Trump who disagrees.
And I'm honestly not sure he really disagrees. His reaction seems more defensive than disagreeable. There is no evidence the Russians wanted to get Donald Trump elected. There is ample evidence the Russians wanted to sow discord into the American political process and disrupt it. Because he won against the supposed chosen one, the idea that the Russians stole the election has become part of the Democrats' mythology.
Yesterday, Vladimir Putin said he wanted President Trump elected. The left seized on that as truth. But then he said the Russians did not interfere in our electoral processes. The former is just as deliberate as the meddling. Putin wants everyone now to attack President Trump and amp up the claims of a stolen election because that too sows discord into our democratic processes.
The truth is that the Russians wanted us turned against each other and looking inward. The media carrying water for the Democrats that Russia stole the election has only boxed the President into a position where he feels he must deny it to defend his victory.
It is unfortunate all around.
I want to support this President. He has done a lot of good -- more than I ever expected. But then he has performances like yesterday in Helsinki, and I think perhaps I will be exiled to the sidelines for a long time -- a spectator of the processes trying to explain it to others.
That the criticism of the President has been strongly bipartisan and came even from within the White House should signal to the President that he needs to rethink whether Vladimir Putin is playing him because yesterday the President sounded like a fiddle.
Buellerxt, let me see if I have your position straight. The article is wrong because Trump used the word "would" where he meant to say "wouldn't". See the clarification here. That's the sort of thing that happens frequently when speaking, especially when under pressure, when tired, and/or discussing complex issues. The mind, while focused on other things, simply slips up. Do you not accept his correction? That seems to be his official stance on this. Is this really about a single word? If so, then it's all about if you accept the clarification, or if you insist that the clarification is BS.
BTW, I noticed you left the clarification out of your comments. Bias much?
BTW, Refusal to accept the meaning as clarified, leaves Trumps initial statement, where he says he "blames both countries". There is no doubt that the US meddles in other countries elections. Hell, we overthrow entire countries who are of no threat to us. Need an example from the BO administration? I find it rather an honest, and up front statement, as well as very diplomatic to point out that both countries are guilty of this. But this is in direct conflict with the "I don't see any reason why it would be." sentence. His clarified version seems to mesh with the rest of the context though. True?
My problem here is that for several hours all I read were opinions on why Trump sucked. No quotes, just "The President is a traitor for agreeing with Putin" or "Trump dissed the Intelligence community..."
Never with context of reference, just hate, opinion, conclusions, all based on, as far as I could tell, interpretation of comments never quoted.
And it's useless to argue with a biased persons interpretation of what someone said without the full transcript. Ex CIA director who lied to everyone under oath thinks.... Who cares? The intelligent thing to do is assume he's lying and the Truth is the opposite, right?
Is it beyond belief that Donald said something stupidly wrong? Committed a diplomatic error? No! I expect it. I don't like his public persona. He said X and later says he meant to say Y? He does that often enough I bet there are walls with lists of such incidents, sorted by level of falsehood, cross indexed by conspiracy theory.
After all, Rush used to reference someone's list of Clinton lies. You know that home office had strings & thumbtacks, pictures of Monica & dead Clinton associates, mixed with newspaper clippings & graphs from Google.
So... No links to a transcript? Then all I can say is grow up and quit believing the sources that won't give you one. That's a sure sign they don't want you to get the truth.
Sorry guys, there is no reason to continue with this. You are WAY more in the tank for Trump than I am. We're all on the same side, just at different points. I spelled out his clarification, SIFO, and said I accepted it. Not a true believer in it but I want to be so I tell myself that I am. As for insinuations that my opinions are drawn from the press, that's bs and a lousy argument. You guys are the only enlightened, in the know people? LOL I watched him during the entire press conference and was sickened. That's how I drew my opinions of what actually happened in Helsinki. If you watched and weren't you have a cast iron stomach and again, are much more in the tank for him. It is interesting how some that criticized Obama for apologizing for and criticizing America give Trump a pass for continually doing the same. I'm pulling for him and damn glad we don't have the alternative but I'm not blind or deaf and I wish the hell we had a more secure President.
I spelled out his clarification, SIFO, and said I accepted it.
The closest thing to "spelling it out" in your statement would be this... "Of course today, off the world stage, he came out with his version of Clinton's 'definition of 'is' moment when he said he meant wouldn't. Is that laughing I hear out there? : )" Personally, I simply do not see that as accepting it. Bottom line, I asked what caused you issues with what Trump said and you focused on this single slip of the tongue, which has been unambiguously clarified.
You then posted something claiming Trump sounded like a fiddle. It's kind of a rambling piece but seems to center on Trump being willing to admit that the US shares blame for the poor relationship between the US and Russia. I hate to say it, but the US does share the blame. The US engages in the same things that the left is now demonizing Russia for. We have become the bully throwing stones from a glass house. Trump seems to be acknowledging this, but it should be in no way compared to BO going on his international apology tour, where he was bowing to other foreign leaders. Sadly, the piece also seems to focus on Trump being in disagreement with our intelligence agencies. Again, this is a clear reference to his slip of the tongue, which has been clarified, but clearly not accepted. Somehow his complaint that Russians meddled in our election and that this has become a central theme with the left, while basically true, is not the fault of anything Trump has done. He pretty much blames Trump for being a victim of this. Yet, Trump still has to be President of the US. It is his job to be diplomatic, yes, even with Putin. To stand there next to Putin in a world wide press conference and do otherwise would be a huge blunder. It would completely undermine any areas where we can find common ground.
In a nutshell, I asked you for clarification that your criticism of Trump revolved around a single misstatement. You are really offering nothing else. I guess at this point, I would have to ask what you thing Trump should have done in that new conference? I didn't get to hear the entire thing, so my information has been filtered by the media. Sadly the focus seems to be on a single misspoken sentence, that when taken as part of the whole, was just that, a misspoken word.
In essence, we have the DOJ/FBI accusing the Russians of something that they have found no evidence of, and are refusing to cooperate with those who have the task of overseeing them. Pretty much creating an international scandal for the purpose of bringing down a duly elected President. This is doing incredible harm to our country, and they will get away with it if the Dems take over.
BTW, I've been stuck with using my old XP computer in the basement, which simply can't display a lot of websites. There's no more functional updates to Chrome or Explorer, so more and more it just won't work on websites that have updated to new mobile versions of Java and browsers.
My old phone won't display more and more web sites, also, like National Review or CNN.
My gaming machine, with Windows !0 is down for maintenance so it's the old box.
Or my Kindle Fire. Arguably not even a real tablet.
Thus my repeated requests, lazy, I admit, for a link to a transcript to a video I haven't seen, and frankly don't want to watch. Donald annoys the crud out of me. I do enjoy him annoying a lot of others, but that's NOT the same as being a fan.
I'm sure there is a World Cup Football analogy where you detest a star but love to watch him work, I just don't follow the sport enough to name one.
So, Imagine, for 24 hours, the Planet goes apesh&* about something you didn't see, blaming someone you don't like, for over the top bull, and he's being relentlessly attacked by people who have less credibility than Putin, or Hitler, like Brennan, and Schumer.
Adams nails it on history, an intensely truthful analysis of Putin, and how you negotiate with a psychopath.
He could well be wrong on how brilliant Trump is.
But it's the Putin part I want to call attention to and agree with, emphatically.
In the tv series Jessica Jones, the season one Big Bad was Killgrave. His power is that people do what he says. Even kill their families and themselves. The brilliant actor who played him, a former Doctor Who, was convinced to take the role, and played it, on the premise that No One Ever Told Him No. And that is what makes him so sociopathic, and quick to fury at the very hint of resistance to his whims. This, for the Actor, gave him a handle on the character. Actors love to play Bad Guys. They get to be over the top scenery chewing guys with the best lines. But unless they can like the character, the person they pretend to be, the performance is often unbelievable, as they often can't get past the surface and give it depth. For the audience, a villain like Apocalypse from the X-Men movie is a stale and uninteresting cliche. While Magneto is a very real person with pain and regrets becoming believable fury.
Killgrave was believable, because the Actor had a back story he used to make him a person, not a cartoon. A very scary, messed up person.
So why the side trip to comic town?
Putin, and Kim, are psychopaths. People did tell them no. Many of those people are now dead. Anyone who challenges them, are murdered. Psychopaths in power surround themselves with other psychopaths, because who else will say "yes, sir!" and murder innocent people on request. And Pyschopaths in power HAVE TO murder people to stay in power, and that especially includes their minions, who would murder him! If they thought they had a chance to take their place. Normal humans can't comprehend living in a constant state of Pack Dominance Games involving murdering your own relatives to keep your minions in terror.
You do not walk up to a Putin, or a Cuomo, in public and accuse them of wrongdoing. Especially if it's the truth. They will Destroy you, and not care about the consequences, even feel joy if your children die with you in the car crash of house fire.
This real truth is why I openly mock the "Trump should slap down Putin" propaganda campaign.
It would be insane to publicly SHAME such a psychopath without having the means and the will to destroy Him if he doesn't submit to your Alpha aggression.
Reagan didn't go to Helsinki and curse the Soviet leader to his face, he walked out and gave him the ability to go home and tell his people that Reagan was afraid of him, saving face. But privately, he knew Reagan wasn't bluffing, and Deals Were Made.
It took a few more years for the Soviet Union to die, but the coup didn't kill millions ( as was feared ) because Ronnie knew what buttons to push & which not to, in public.
Two of about the most irrelevant folks in the world at present . . . .
Folks . . . we tried electing a President to see if we could put a finger on the historical scales of injustice . . . . didn't work . . he put the pucky to blacks and hispanics worse than any President in history.
We thought we'd try again . . . to tip the scales by trotting out a woman who'd been publicly shamed by her husband . . in hopes we could even some social scores and teach her criminal husband a lesson.
Turned out three was a good reason they were such a compatible couple for so many years.
Clock's run out on bullshit . . . love him or hate him . . Donald J. Trump is your President . . . I'm not his biggest fan but admire and respect the balls the guy has and his propensity to bring home results without worry about who he pisses of.
The Democratic party is pretty well folding the tent for a bit.
So I thought it might be worth watching the entire press conference to understand what the outrage is about. I really don't get it. Trump did seem a bit out of place throwing the FBI under the bus toward the end, but it was a well deserved, and accurate throw. Probably the wrong venue though. Other than that, and the "would" instead of "wouldn't" slip, it was a pretty benign press conference. I would imagine that a person who has a personal grudge against Putin/Russia would find it pretty distasteful. I can understand that. I feel that way about most political talk. I imagine many are surprised to see Trump engage in this sort of political talk. After all, it was the avoidance of it during the election that helped to win him the election. Here we see clear proof that he is not an idiot that fails to understand diplomacy, but one who can engage very well in diplomacy.
The outrage from some of the disgraced leaders of the DOJ/FBI/CIA I can understand. Two years ago, I would have shared that outrage from these remarks. Isolated from the news of what these disgraced leaders have done in the past couple of years, I imagine I would be outraged. Given the continual drip, drip, drip that has come out on what they did to undermine the POTUS, purely for political purposes, I find the comments fitting, but oddly placed. This leave the media, including in other countries with the difficulty of explaining those remarks from President Trump. They have no rational explanation for the remarks though, because they have ignored the entire story of corruption in the top levels of our government under BO. The best they can do under these extraordinary circumstances is to feign outrage, and demand you be outraged too. They just can't put a finger on exactly what to be outraged about though. A slip of the tongue, ignoring the follow up explanation will suffice for those only marginally paying attention. It's not about any facts. It's about protecting the anti-Trump narrative.
There are multiple facets to the jewel of compressed dung rotting in our Nation's capital.
One is out of control agencies. Waco, Ruby Ridge, are just the obvious bloody battlegrounds. Why does the Dept. of Education need armored SWAT teams? Agriculture? The no consequences political weaponization of the IRS, FBI, CIA? What does it take to send people to prison? They won't even investigate murders. Get a bullet to the back of the head, and it's ignored. Even the head of the DNC admits she lived in fear of being the next one assassinated by The Clinton machine. Even that confession of knowledge of murder, is ignored.
See my above rant on psychopaths.
Second is the overt treason of the "intelligence community". I'm not going to go back to the Bay of Pigs, just the CIA "leak" on Bush requesting options on Iran, while Iran was sending terrorists and explosives to kill our troops, and thousands of civilians in Iraq.
There should have been a serious purge of the Agency, but..... Nothing. Literal Treason. All was quiet more or less during the Obama administration, since they ruthlessly punished disobedience. In a decade we may have a list of the dead. You can be sure Brennan knows.
The FBI & CIA are mostly dedicated humans of fine character. The leadership is provably scum. See current & past testimony before Congress.
You cannot be critical enough of Bad Cops. Sheepdogs Must Not Prey On The Sheep.