| Author | Message | ||
     Crusty |
For nearly all my adult life, there's been nobody to vote for. However, there's always been somebody to vote against. Even this year, when I don't like either candidate, it's easier to choose who I think would do more harm. Usually, whoever I vote for loses the election, though I have voted for the winner a couple of times. The way I see it, if you don't vote, you've got no right to bitch. And I love to bitch about the government and the congress of baboons who are running it. If I don't vote, then I have to keep my mouth shut for the next 4 years. If you feel strongly about a candidate, then get off your dead ass and do something. If you like him or her, then go to the local campaign office and volunteer your help. If you despise a candidate, then go to the opposition's campaign office and volunteer. This is America; you have the privilege and the obligation to vote for or against our leaders. Put the effort into it that you'd put into choosing a motorcycle. Anyhow, I just thought I'd share this with you all. | ||
| Greg_e |
Baboons might be a little high on the evolutionary scale | ||
| Crusty |
You're right. I meant no disrespect to any baboons who might be offended by the comparison. | ||
| Needs_o2 |
Can someone tell me why everybody thinks there's only two ways two vote, left or right. If people would even consider for a moment, to vote third party or independent, maybe someday no one party would have control of either side of congress and the playground politics in D.C. would be stopped. I feel that my vote for neither Dem. nor Rep. means a hell of a lot more than choosing the lesser of the two evils. Try it sometime. Rant over  | ||
| Two_seasons |
That would be swell. Our gov't officials could come from multiple parties. Except... Take a look at the UK and tell us how well that is working out! | ||
| Strokizator |
That's correct, coalition governments are notoriously bad. I kept thinking the Democratic party would split into labor, women's issues, minorities, lgbt rights, pro abortion and environmentalist groups but they continue to hold it all together even though each has such disparate interests. It all makes no sense to me. | ||
| Ratbuell |
And a third party vote isn't going to fix a screwed up, flawed two-party system. The two parties are so entrenched...the whole system (as noted in another thread) needs a reboot. Boot 'em ALL out, and start over. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
The game is rigged to REQUIRE polar opposites, and two dominating factors. It is how the Hegelian Dialectic functions. Left and Right fighting publicly, meanwhile the progressive March to destroy the Constitution behind the scenes. Case in point, what has Congress, SCOTUS, Joint Chiefs, DoN, ATF done while everyone was screaming about where an infinitesimal population sliver should pee? | ||
| Fast1075 |
For those that didn't catch it, a group of baboons is actually called a "congress" In a similar manner a group of crows is a "murder" English is funny, isn't it? And, Brian, your insight is appreciated. You see through the smoke and mirrors on a lot of not so obvious things. | ||
| Pwnzor |
the whole system (as noted in another thread) needs a reboot. Boot 'em ALL out, and start over. This will require many armed men with the backing of a mutinous military. Careful where you tread... somebody besides us is reading this. | ||
| Needs_o2 |
I couldn't agree more about the reboot, but saying it doesn't make it happen, and voting status quo doesn't change anything. Voting is the only way us peasants can have a say in this kingdom. Our situation right now isn't what I would call great or even good, and with more time they will prove how far they (D.C.) can tear this country apart rather than unite and actually represent us. Trump and maybe Hillary aren't even going to represent the majority of their own parties. | ||
| Skinstains |
With 2 people running up to 49% of the people get hosed. With more people running the #'s can be worse. Of course the math is quite fluid as the # of candidates as well as the # of votes each gets will change the outcome. I hate the whole system. Jello Biafra for "jefe" ! | ||
| Pwnzor |
please read this before voting. | ||
| Tootal |
If we were to have more than two parties then we would have to change the way we vote. We need to set all the candidates up in brackets just like sports finals. It would mean several elections but it's the only way any underdog would have a real chance at making it to the top. If not bracketed then you revert back to voting against the least favorable. | ||
| Needs_o2 |
So, voting for someone that you really don't think is capable leading the country in the right direction is a win? | ||
| Needs_o2 |
Let's just say all four top candidates run for office, third party, independent, or what have you, who wins, Cruz, Bernie, Hillary, or Trump? | ||
| Needs_o2 |
Greg, That's already happening within the parties, with Trump leading with a plurality (actual votes) and Hillary given super delegates way before most of the primaries were complete. I still don't feel like I have to put my name behind the de facto candidates just because that's the way it is. If I don't believe in them , I will not vote for them, pretty simple. | ||
| Reindog |
The Democrat Party and Republican Party have both become fossilized and no longer represent the American People. America needs a viable Conservative Party to survive but this idea has been doomed to failure because we frame the house before pouring concrete for the foundation. Perot is a perfect example. This Party needs to coalesce at the local level and work its way to the State level before proceeding to the Federal level. The Tea Party attempted to do this but was decimated by the illegal usurpation of power by the IRS by Obama with the complicity of the MSM. This is why it is important to vote for Trump. It is guaranteed that Hillary will continue Obama's illegal transformation but Trump will at the minimum provide a holding action allowing the opportunity for the Conservative Party to coalesce. Some here seem to advocate the "end of days" and "stick a fork in America...its done" approach. That is defeatist and we will eventually have an outright dictator if we continue to elect "transformers" like Obama and Clinton. What we know as America will collapse under its own weight if we don't elect a business oriented and military supporter like Trump. Trump is a holding action but an important one. I implore everyone to rise above their obstinance and vote for Trump. | ||
| Tootal |
Hey, I am a Cruz guy not a Trump guy. One of the most important things right now is who is going to replace Scalia. If Hillary wins we get a bench that will do everything to repeal the Second Amendment and without it we will lose it all. Here's a couple of things I heard this morning. 1. Trump's plan for health care is to get rid of Obamacare and allow companies to cross state lines, just like the commerce clause says!! There's more but that sounded really good to me. 2. His tax plan is also rated very high and should bring companies back to the USA and create more jobs. That sounds good too! I don't like everything the man says but I do like more of what he says than the Hildabeast! Nobody is going to be perfect, you just have to choose which is closer to your beliefs or choose not to choose. Voting for a third party will elect Hillary. I voted for Perot twice and look what happened. I won't do that again!  | ||
| Reindog |
I am still furious at the Evangelicals who sat out the 2012 election and became responsible for Obama's second term. Romney would have been an okay President. Same as Trump when compared to Criminal Clinton. | ||
| 04xl1200c |
It looks like the "never Trump" crowd will ensure Cankles gets elected in the fall. | ||
| Aesquire |
Mark your calendars. Tootal & I are in agreement.  I still think furious rejection of our imperfect system is premature. Not that I'm happy. But I haven't had a guy or gal I liked win in a long time. This weeks news hasn't changed that. I still consider it highly possible that the current jerks won't be the final choice of the private companies that are our parties. Early days to burn bridges. | ||
| Tootal |
Mark your calendars. Tootal & I are in agreement. : ) Aw Crap! Now nobody will talk to me!  | ||
| Aesquire |
That's the risk you take when you're right. In the immortal words of Socrates, "I drank what?". | ||
| Blake |
John, I like your suggestion to put as much effort into political advocacy as we do in shopping for a motorcycle. That said, I personally never spent much time shopping for a bike, and I only ever even test rode one of them. Whew.  | ||
| Blake |
Tom (RDog), We'll never fix our politics until we fix the rotten core that propagates it. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. Warped and deceived minds seduced by relativism and/or materialism defy reason. When people make themselves into their own ultimate authority, the results are always inevitably assured. | ||
| Pwnzor |
READ | ||
| Crusty |
Everybody hates Trump. The Dems hate him because he's a Republican. The Republicans hate him because he's not a "real" Republican. And most other folks hate him because he's an a-hole I just saw where polls are now showing he can beat Hillary. I bet he wins by a landslide. Oh; I also think he's an a-hole. | ||
| Pwnzor |
polls are now showing he can beat Hillary John, can you post a link to those polls please? | ||
| Elsinore74 |
We live close enough to DC to be blinded from the flash in the event of an air burst, and the local pastime is politics, 24-7, 365 days a year. That being said, I can vouch that polls are are all over the scale. I've heard polls cited during the morning drive that had Hillary beating Trump by x number of points, only to hear another saying Trump will beat Hillary by the same number that same afternoon. There's a lot of time left between now and November. Strange as this election season has been, it's not even getting warmed-up, I'm afraid. |
