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     Sifo |
But clouds can also trap warm air at the surface during the night hours. So how do you add that into your computer model. Their computer modeling may or may not be more accurate than the weather predictions in any issue of Farmers Almanac. G Interesting point you touched on there. That's a great example of how strong of a greenhouse gas H2O is. It's why CO2 just isn't all that important as a greenhouse gas. It's like painting a window black (H2O) to block out the light, then painting on a coat of gray (CO2) and expecting to block out more light. It just doesn't add to the effect. Clearly though, we don't get a runaway climate from high humidity. It self regulates it's self within a range. Adjust the orbit or the sun's output a bit and you get a very different, but still self regulating climate. This also has a lot to do with why the poles are considered to be the canary in the coal mine of global warming. They are very arid, so they don't have much H2O in the air. Now it's like having a window that hasn't been painted black, and now you can see the effect of the coat of gray. Near the equator, you just aren't going to notice the warming much. | ||
| Aesquire |
Also, and this is important.... First, it warmed up. Then, CO2 went up. Because, warm oceans can't hold as much. Now. Explain how CO2 increase CAUSED by climate change, Causes climate change. ( yes, I know it's more complex than that, but seriously? ) Soot caused the famous London Fogs. Do they still have those? My Climate & Meteorology prof back in 1978 said they had pretty much stopped, and people froze on the Riviera for the first time in a long time. His thesis on how pollution made things warmer ( 1970's ) long predates the above revelation. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-12-18/ humans-are-slamming-into-driverless-cars-and-expos ing-a-key-flaw | ||
| Sifo |
I got better grades in weather than Al Gore. That in itself isn't exactly a ringing endorsement. Basically you are claiming to have done better than barely passing. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/11/ 30/what_should_we_do_about_climate_change_128876.h tml A fair summation of the politics. Current predictions show that we are actually on track to less warming than feared, and in fact are on trend to exceed the "desired" temperature increases with absolutely zero "Climate Change" legislation, taxes, or other insanity. So, in the Real World, we have little to worry about. From Climate Change. We have a LOT to worry about from Climate Change Radical idiocy. But probably less than we have to worry about from the current U.S. administration's foreign policy. ( how many wars are we involved with today? ) | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/hubble-discove rs-that-milky-way-core-drives-wind-at-2-million-mi les-per-hour Hypersonic fart jokes, begin. However..... a bubble 30,000 LY high. And we are about 30,000LY from galactic center.... so when will the light reach us? Will we see what made these bubbles? What is about to slam into our System? Will that give us Climate Change? ( possibly by killing all life on the surface. That would mess up the CO2 balance, eh? ) | ||
| Hootowl |
Safe to say we will have several more ice ages before we smell the fart. | ||
| Court |
One of my fellow Faculty members, who coined the term "GLOBAL WARMING" has been sorry her ever did so and trying to keep out of the spotlight. Facts be damned . . . it's turned into a political footballl and someone is going to get filthy rich. | ||
| Aesquire |
That depends on what farted. And as to time we have left... where. Oh, sure, odds are pretty good that a barely detectable wash of particles gusts through our solar system, dozens of years after scientists think they saw a flash in the x-ray spectrum, dimmed by the enormous mass of dust between us and galactic center. Or. A very obvious flash of nasty radiation arrives a few years before a flood of charged particles that sears the last remaining satellites from orbit, over a desolate landscape of decaying organic matter. But way more probably the first option.  We are looking far into the past, in spectrum we only very very recently had telescopes to see with. X-ray & other frequencies are absorbed by the atmosphere, so you need to, first, figure out how to image X-rays, directly, ( too weak a photon for shielded film ) and build accurate X-ray "lenses" ( actually low angle of incidence reflectors ) then build a telescope, and get the launch and ground facilities arranged... and funding for all of the above. We didn't even have the lenses until the SDI program. And we have recently seen gas bubbles that we are not sure what caused them ( but is likely to be a large energy release... like Supernova or better class... or multiple supernova ) and aren't yet really sure where this inferred energy release was. So, sure, a couple of civilization ending events from now, we might see another civilization ending event, or an interesting display of a civilization ending event far away. And we see a lot of those. We haven't seen one up close in modern times, ( except for ice ages ) Here's a pop-sci example... http://earthsky.org/space/supernove-distance It's also possible the center of the Milky Way Galaxy has already exploded, sending a wave of doom that will sear all the planets in the local group. An idea explored in Larry Niven's "Known Space" stories. A faster than light experimental ship is sent to the Galactic Core ( as a publicity stunt to raise money ) and discovers uninhabitable levels of radiation, and finds the "core stars" have chain reacted and doom is rushing outward. Some aliens run immediately. Far too smart to hang around to get killed. Humans barely notice, at first, figuring we have plenty of time. ( IIRC about 20,000 years to go ) Then folk from farther in towards the center come running away, though our space. Good stuff. | ||
| Reepicheep |
The tragic part of this is that the real problem is that we are using a battery that took several million years to recharge, and after just 200 years it is currently between 20% and 50% discharged. We better be using our remaining battery capacity to build our next batteries. The global warming thing is a worst case scenario for this problem. Declare a problem that is similar. Artficially inflate it's importance and urgency with emotionally driven arguements. Lie and use crap science day in and day out to amass power, wealth, and control for yourself, but without actually doing much about the problem ("study it", have "summits" about it, etc. Don't fix it). Then either declare it "solved" and yourself a hero. Or let the whole fraud collaps and let them declare you a villan. It doesn't much matter, you have your power and money. Then, when people try to solve the *real* problem, nobody is going to listen to you, or nobody will have time and money left even if they do listen to you, because that well has been thoroughly poisoned. I doubt we will solve the problem very proactively. But capitalism will solve it eventually, and solve it quickly, but also probably do so *very* brutally... which will be a tragedy. | ||
| Hootowl |
"wash of particles gusts through our solar system, dozens of years after scientists think they saw a flash" It'll be more than dozens of years. It took the light from the event 27,000 years to get here. How long will it take the particles NOT moving at the speed of light? | ||
| Aesquire |
Carry the two....... LOTS of dozens. The solutions to fossil fuel have been proposed. Thorium, orbital solar, burn politicians. None will be approved by politicians for some reason.  Still waiting for Fusion. | ||
| Hootowl |
"burn politicians" Now there's an idea. We don't even need to have an external ignition source. We can just have them blow hot air on each other until combustion converges with their existence. (Sorry, I've been on a bit of a Trivium kick lately.) | ||
| Sifo |
Meteorologists: 'Darth Nino' ties record for strongest seen Keep this in mind as the warmists will again jump on a spike in warming, just as they did during and after the '98 El Nino. Don't forget how that all panned out for the next 15+ years. Just sayin'. | ||
| Sifo |
Oh, the humanity!!! Satellite Data Shows 2015 Wasn’t Even Close To Being The Hottest Year On Record | ||
| Fast1075 |
Friday January 8th. Central Florida. Orange trees blooming, Peach trees blooming, Love Bugs flying. This is not supposed to be happening until March. But winter returns on Monday with lows in the high 40's (for one day). | ||
| Aesquire |
@#$!*&...... 14 f this morning........ | ||
| Aesquire |
El Nino. That's why Florida is warmer than years without El Nino. Don't worry, next year you might have a white Christmas. Weather is funny. The last 20 odd years of steady or slightly declining temps are unusual. Pretty definitive proof that the doom models need a lot more work. All it takes is one decent volcano or a Saddam Hussein to temporarily cool things off. (When Saddam burned the Kuwaiti oil fields we had a fraction of a degree planetary temperature drop ) The "bad" news is "nuclear winter" seems to be a hoax. I say seems, because the people pushing the idea were ideologically driven and the math doesn't check out. Otoh, since we haven't burned multiple cities in mass fire storms since WW2, we don't know for sure if that would actually kick off a mini ice age. Which imho is a good thing. (Even in WW2 it was only a few cities, horrible as that was, not the "every major city in Eurasia" that was the Soviet threat. ) The people who pushed the nuclear winter hoax had good intentions. ( paving the road ) and were well respected. Still dishonest and harmful to science as a whole. Nice out where you are? Enjoy. It will change. That's the only constant. That part is settled. | ||
| Hootowl |
Global warming for dummies Global warming not for dummies (Message edited by Hootowl on January 11, 2016) | ||
| Torquehd |
Great hootowl, if water vapor is the new "greenhouse gas" - we won't be able to boil water anymore. Goodbye spaghetti, you will be missed. Water will have to remain in sealed containers while not in use to prevent evaporation. Wonder how long until I see the first "boil ban" in effect. | ||
| Elsinore74 |
No "boil ban" necessary; just a punishing "boil tax." | ||
| Sifo |
Torquehd, not sure if your post was serious or tongue in cheek. Water vapor is far from the "new" greenhouse gas. It's been a key point of contention in the climate models from the start. The climate models set the forcing from water vapor as a constant. That's incredibly far from how the system works though. A warmer climate will hold more water vapor in the atmosphere, which increases the greenhouse effect. It also creates more cloud cover though, and that has a cooling effect. It's the effect of clouds that keeps a fairly stable climate. This dynamic has been missing in climate models since the beginning. They really haven't bothered to fund studies to study this until just a few years ago. Funny how a study that will likely tend to unravel the narrative doesn't get funding. The general principle is quite obvious for anyone who studies weather and climate, but estimating the numbers to plug into a climate model is far from simple. It's one of those things that the Chicken Littles don't even want studied. | ||
| Sifo |
Or we could have just dodged the bullet and missed the next ice-age. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-13/ the-good-news-on-global-warming-we-ve-delayed-the- next-ice-age Bear in mind, this is all based on (insert drum roll here!) computer models! I've said many times, you can model almost anything on a computer. Modeling reality can be very tricky though. | ||
| Hootowl |
The trick with banning the boiling of water is getting the biggest offenders on board. I seriously doubt Italy and the larger rice eating countries will want to play ball. I propose they pay us to not boil water, since they've been doing it for over 1000 years and we've only just started. That's fair, right? | ||
| Torquehd |
My post was referring to the video posted by hootowl above - don't give the proglibs any ideas. or any more reasons to increase federal control. As part of our nation's new redistribute the wealth ideology, I would like heat and cold redistributed so that everywhere is equal. This would also create jobs. Hire truck drivers to haul loads of hot sand from Arizona to Alaska, and glaciers from Mt Rainier to Death Valley. Mt Rainier shouldn't get to be in the top 1% of America. It must be a republican, and evil. | ||
| Hootowl |
Is this the same tech as F1? https://vimeo.com/145498720 | ||
| Hootowl |
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/01/15 /climate-alarmists-invent-new-excuse-the-satellite s-are-lying/ | ||
| Hootowl |
http://www.commerce.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/he arings?ID=CA2ABC55-B1E8-4B7A-AF38-34821F6468F7 | ||
| Daddio |
I just finished reading Mark Steyn's testimony to the Senate panel that Hoot referenced above. He really distills the problem with "climate science:" "...public opinion, which no longer trusts the Big Climate enforcers to tell them what the climate will be like in 2050, now no longer trusts them to tell them what it was like in 1950. A recent poll found that, not withstanding the urgings of the President and the Secretary of State and others, only three per cent of Americans regard climate change as their major concern. Three per cent. There is your 97 per cent consensus, gentlemen." | ||
| Aesquire |
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