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Rick_a
Posted on Tuesday, January 12, 2016 - 07:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)




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Hootowl
Posted on Tuesday, January 12, 2016 - 09:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

No pat, those are men with tits.
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Sifo
Posted on Tuesday, January 12, 2016 - 10:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)



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Sifo
Posted on Tuesday, January 12, 2016 - 10:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)



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86129squids
Posted on Tuesday, January 12, 2016 - 12:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

DANG I wish I were on the beach, drinking a beer today... brrr.
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Rick_a
Posted on Tuesday, January 12, 2016 - 01:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


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Tootal
Posted on Tuesday, January 12, 2016 - 04:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)



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Macbuell
Posted on Tuesday, January 12, 2016 - 05:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ever since I took an AR15 class from an retired Marine I always of think of the chicken wing. That is what he kept telling me ... get that chicken wing down every time I shot the AR15. That being said, the picture from the movie a few shots above made me think of that. Finally a movie where someone isn't sticking their chicken wing out while shooting an AR15 / M4.
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Aesquire
Posted on Tuesday, January 12, 2016 - 06:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Act Of Valor" does an excellent job of showing how real shooters do it. A bit weak on the plot and could use more unrealistic explosions. ... ; )

Other than that..... fine film. Highly recommended.
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Macbuell
Posted on Tuesday, January 12, 2016 - 06:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I watched Reacher the other day. Cruise had his chicken wing sticking way out.
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Rick_a
Posted on Tuesday, January 12, 2016 - 08:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)




Ain't no thing...but a chicken wing.
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Aesquire
Posted on Tuesday, January 12, 2016 - 08:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Same issue with other weapons. I'm always telling students to get the elbow down.

Come to think of it, so did my Tai Chi Sifu.
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Henshao
Posted on Tuesday, January 12, 2016 - 08:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

For stationary single shot type events, the chicken wing is fine. But you will be banging it on stuff if you're doing shooting and moving type stuff.
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Torquehd
Posted on Tuesday, January 12, 2016 - 10:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Why change techniques? Why not just use the best method?

Having your arm locked in tight against your torso takes more muscle error out of the equation. In addition to the obvious - presenting a smaller target area. Additionally, it takes more time and (wobbly) energy to swing that elbow up to wing position than keeping your mass in tighter to your COG. Erik Buell probably knows a thing or two about that.

While we're at it - in that pic the shooter has his pistol grip way back jammed up against the mag well. The further forward you have your pistol grip, the more control you can have. This is contrary to the COG argument but true. If you're holding a sword with both hands on the handle, and I grab the sharp end, I can move it all around. But if you have one hand on each end of the sword, I wouldn't be able to move it as much.
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Henshao
Posted on Tuesday, January 12, 2016 - 10:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It's more tiring to hold an object further out.
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Rick_a
Posted on Wednesday, January 13, 2016 - 12:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Realistically it's more a fashion thing than anything else...no longer de rigueur.

Let's not forget the uber tactical thumb over bore style.

"Driving" the gun.

I mean, he has his own doll, how much awesomer can one be?


Watch and learn you lowly dogs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3CxkhMVva4

But I digress. These boys have it down.
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Rick_a
Posted on Wednesday, January 13, 2016 - 09:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Torquehd
Posted on Wednesday, January 13, 2016 - 03:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I wouldn't want my arm at full lock like that. More like the position of your non-dominant hand when you're shooting a pistol. But try shooting while moving, first with the grip in closer, then with it a little further out (shoot enough to give it an honest try). You shouldn't be carrying the gun with that hand. at any point you should be able to drop that hand because the weight of the gun is pinched between your dominant hand and shoulder. It's definitely not more tiring.
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Torquehd
Posted on Wednesday, January 13, 2016 - 03:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That arc teryx boy also has his shoulder stock fully collapsed, and the gun is sitting very low in his shoulder pocket.... I don't know who he is, and I don't think I care to.

(Message edited by torquehd on January 13, 2016)
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Sifo
Posted on Thursday, January 14, 2016 - 10:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)



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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Thursday, January 14, 2016 - 11:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)







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Rick_a
Posted on Friday, January 15, 2016 - 12:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Rick_a
Posted on Friday, January 15, 2016 - 03:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


I'm here all day, folks.
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Aesquire
Posted on Sunday, January 17, 2016 - 05:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


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Slaughter
Posted on Monday, January 18, 2016 - 11:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

At last, a positive post:

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Crusty
Posted on Monday, January 18, 2016 - 11:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That's shocking! Still, I got a charge out of it!
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Henshao
Posted on Tuesday, January 19, 2016 - 01:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

On the plus side, it wasn't a negative view of the battery.
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Etennuly
Posted on Tuesday, January 19, 2016 - 02:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have a positively terminal fascination with the photo above, I get a real charge out of it!!
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Slaughter
Posted on Tuesday, January 19, 2016 - 08:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Rick_a
Posted on Tuesday, January 19, 2016 - 09:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This is shocking.
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